Why Operation Grange can only be a whitewash

jeanmonroe wrote:IF SY/Met are trying a whitewash/cover up where will it 'rank' in relation' to their most recent, er, politely, 'misdemeanours/cover ups'?

The 'possibility' that, to use the Met Chief's own words, 'a child could have been murdered'

'Possibly' even by the 'missing' child's own parents, or people they knew.

A 'whitewash/cover up' of THAT would rank pretty 'highly' i'd suggest, wouldn't it?.

Especially as the very top political 'classes' (who have sanctioned the 'unlimited funding' of taxpayers money, for the 'investigation') have not 'quiered' AT ALL the McCanns and their 'friends' contradictions and discrepancies!

Even the McCanns own lawyers CR and IDS, will not SAY that 'Madeleine was abducted' as the McCanns 'insist'.

But ALL the top politicians 'believe' ONLY the McCanns 'version of events' (abducted) unswervingly!

And 'quote' THAT, ad nauseum, without providing a scintilla of 'evidence' to support their claims of 'abduction', because, the McCanns and ONLY the McCanns 'TOLD us, that is what happened'

Hmmm, i wonder WHY they would ALL 'believe' the McCanns, to the toal exclusion of ALL 'other' secnarios, to explain how Madeleine is not 'here'?

All imo, obviously.

PeterMac wrote:As we saw in this picture . . .
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Captions are not needed,
But our caption might be
"If you can just turn your head head a little to the left Dr McCann . . .  Thank you, that is a perfect match "

tigger wrote:Once upon a time there was a gathering of people, some of  importance, some representing people of importance and some servants of people of importance. Some, but not all, had brought their dogs with them.
The object of this meeting was to find a way to control all the dogs on an entire continent and after that - the world.
The problem was how to convince all dog owners this was a good and benificial plan.

Then a servant of the important people thought he would rise to their level if he supplied the means to execute their plan and in one fell swoop would convince the whole world that all dogs should be controlled.

So this servant who had three dogs, saw to it that one of these was lost and irretrievably lost. He expected praise and promotion, but his masters were distraught. It was clear to all  that the dog could not have been lost by accident.
He stated that the dog had been taken by a gang of caniphiles, a great danger to all canines but his masters knew that the dog could not have left by itself nor could anyone have stolen it.

But only by making the whole world believe that the meeting had been nothing but families taking their dogs to a sunny resort could their plan be kept safe. So they supported the story of the servant, who had believed he could be one of them by playing this simple trick. But he would never be one of them, he was still a servant, but a rich one. Yet that was not enough.

Many years later the important people are still looking for the lost dog and the caniphiles who might have taken it, in time they may suppose the dog has died, but will always have to declare the servant innnocent.

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My apologies for the silly story, Latinists will be able to correct or improve on caniphile- caniophile?   

I believe it has to be a whitewash.

Cherry wrote:If Op Grange do a whitewash there will be questions asked in relation to the officers on McCann case some of whom were on Dando case in setting up Barry George. It is already out there Dando could have been killed due to discovering BBC and possibly elite paedophile rings, the stench of paedophilia surrounds McCann case not only within their circle but surrounding some of those connected to them in some way, whether by donating large amount to fund, helping them by other material means and speaking out in support of them. If they do a whitewash it will open a can of worms with more people digging into possible links and connections imo

Cristobell wrote:

tigger wrote:Once upon a time there was a gathering of people, some of  importance, some representing people of importance and some servants of people of importance. Some, but not all, had brought their dogs with them.
The object of this meeting was to find a way to control all the dogs on an entire continent and after that - the world.
The problem was how to convince all dog owners this was a good and benificial plan.

Then a servant of the important people thought he would rise to their level if he supplied the means to execute their plan and in one fell swoop would convince the whole world that all dogs should be controlled.

So this servant who had three dogs, saw to it that one of these was lost and irretrievably lost. He expected praise and promotion, but his masters were distraught. It was clear to all  that the dog could not have been lost by accident.
He stated that the dog had been taken by a gang of caniphiles, a great danger to all canines but his masters knew that the dog could not have left by itself nor could anyone have stolen it.

But only by making the whole world believe that the meeting had been nothing but families taking their dogs to a sunny resort could their plan be kept safe. So they supported the story of the servant, who had believed he could be one of them by playing this simple trick. But he would never be one of them, he was still a servant, but a rich one. Yet that was not enough.

Many years later the important people are still looking for the lost dog and the caniphiles who might have taken it, in time they may suppose the dog has died, but will always have to declare the servant innnocent.

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My apologies for the silly story, Latinists will be able to correct or improve on caniphile- caniophile?   

I believe it has to be a whitewash.

Now that Scotland Yard have introduced the idea of death in the apartment, there can be no whitewash.  Convincing the public an abduction occurred was impossible, now they have to persuade the public that the child was murdered and carried away sometime between the half hour checks.

Clarence put down his buttered scone and china teacup to come out and steer the medial's focus into the right direction - Smelly Man.  As an aside, I think the target on his back was a nice touch, clearly someone is keeping it real   

The cat, or should we say the 'death', word is out of the bag Tigger, and that is the word the McCanns hate the most.

tigger wrote:

PeterMac wrote:As we saw in this picture . . .
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Captions are not needed,
But our caption might be
"If you can just turn your head head a little to the left Dr McCann . . .  Thank you, that is a perfect match "

Please!!!!   Can we start a topic with brilliant shots like this? Not so much for commenting on as they are sufficient unto themselves but to have a record of them in one place?

I for one will add the one from Madrid where Gerry looks at Kate the way no husband should look at his wife when temporarily she took centre stage.

There are many more and PM has a stock I suspect.
We could also add  - again mostly from PM - the cartoons?

Watching wrote:

Cristobell wrote:

tigger wrote:Once upon a time there was a gathering of people, some of  importance, some representing people of importance and some servants of people of importance. Some, but not all, had brought their dogs with them.
The object of this meeting was to find a way to control all the dogs on an entire continent and after that - the world.
The problem was how to convince all dog owners this was a good and benificial plan.

Then a servant of the important people thought he would rise to their level if he supplied the means to execute their plan and in one fell swoop would convince the whole world that all dogs should be controlled.

So this servant who had three dogs, saw to it that one of these was lost and irretrievably lost. He expected praise and promotion, but his masters were distraught. It was clear to all  that the dog could not have been lost by accident.
He stated that the dog had been taken by a gang of caniphiles, a great danger to all canines but his masters knew that the dog could not have left by itself nor could anyone have stolen it.

But only by making the whole world believe that the meeting had been nothing but families taking their dogs to a sunny resort could their plan be kept safe. So they supported the story of the servant, who had believed he could be one of them by playing this simple trick. But he would never be one of them, he was still a servant, but a rich one. Yet that was not enough.

Many years later the important people are still looking for the lost dog and the caniphiles who might have taken it, in time they may suppose the dog has died, but will always have to declare the servant innnocent.

------

My apologies for the silly story, Latinists will be able to correct or improve on caniphile- caniophile?   

I believe it has to be a whitewash.

Now that Scotland Yard have introduced the idea of death in the apartment, there can be no whitewash.  Convincing the public an abduction occurred was impossible, now they have to persuade the public that the child was murdered and carried away sometime between the half hour checks.

Clarence put down his buttered scone and china teacup to come out and steer the medial's focus into the right direction - Smelly Man.  As an aside, I think the target on his back was a nice touch, clearly someone is keeping it real   

The cat, or should we say the 'death', word is out of the bag Tigger, and that is the word the McCanns hate the most.

"The cat, or should we say the 'death', word is out of the bag Tigger"



Redwood/SY introduced the idea of death right at the beginning of their investigative review.  When he said there were two possibilities - dead or alive (not verbatim)  So this is not new at all, this 'death now being out of the bag'


His comment yesterday will make no difference to the result of the libel trial - he said dead or alive right at the start nearly 3 years ago now!

He just happens to have gone along with the 'alive' version!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6d1FQMC6T8

pennylane wrote:

Watching wrote:

Cristobell wrote:

tigger wrote:Once upon a time there was a gathering of people, some of  importance, some representing people of importance and some servants of people of importance. Some, but not all, had brought their dogs with them.
The object of this meeting was to find a way to control all the dogs on an entire continent and after that - the world.
The problem was how to convince all dog owners this was a good and benificial plan.

Then a servant of the important people thought he would rise to their level if he supplied the means to execute their plan and in one fell swoop would convince the whole world that all dogs should be controlled.

So this servant who had three dogs, saw to it that one of these was lost and irretrievably lost. He expected praise and promotion, but his masters were distraught. It was clear to all  that the dog could not have been lost by accident.
He stated that the dog had been taken by a gang of caniphiles, a great danger to all canines but his masters knew that the dog could not have left by itself nor could anyone have stolen it.

But only by making the whole world believe that the meeting had been nothing but families taking their dogs to a sunny resort could their plan be kept safe. So they supported the story of the servant, who had believed he could be one of them by playing this simple trick. But he would never be one of them, he was still a servant, but a rich one. Yet that was not enough.

Many years later the important people are still looking for the lost dog and the caniphiles who might have taken it, in time they may suppose the dog has died, but will always have to declare the servant innnocent.

------

My apologies for the silly story, Latinists will be able to correct or improve on caniphile- caniophile?   

I believe it has to be a whitewash.

Now that Scotland Yard have introduced the idea of death in the apartment, there can be no whitewash.  Convincing the public an abduction occurred was impossible, now they have to persuade the public that the child was murdered and carried away sometime between the half hour checks.

Clarence put down his buttered scone and china teacup to come out and steer the medial's focus into the right direction - Smelly Man.  As an aside, I think the target on his back was a nice touch, clearly someone is keeping it real   

The cat, or should we say the 'death', word is out of the bag Tigger, and that is the word the McCanns hate the most.

"The cat, or should we say the 'death', word is out of the bag Tigger"



Redwood/SY introduced the idea of death right at the beginning of their investigative review.  When he said there were two possibilities - dead or alive (not verbatim)  So this is not new at all, this 'death now being out of the bag'


His comment yesterday will make no difference to the result of the libel trial - he said dead or alive right at the start nearly 3 years ago now!

He just happens to have gone along with the 'alive' version!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6d1FQMC6T8

Scotland Yard's admission Madeleine may have died in the apartment is their get out clause, just in case the PJ have gleaned something they couldn't get their snouts into. Also the Yard blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann, is akin to holding a "whitewash" sign over their own heads. Hence they've attempted to diffuse the ticking time bomb. This is the best they can do with the bag of worms they've corruptly labeled "an abduction."

Watching wrote:

pennylane wrote:

Watching wrote:

Cristobell wrote:

tigger wrote:Once upon a time there was a gathering of people, some of  importance, some representing people of importance and some servants of people of importance. Some, but not all, had brought their dogs with them.
The object of this meeting was to find a way to control all the dogs on an entire continent and after that - the world.
The problem was how to convince all dog owners this was a good and benificial plan.

Then a servant of the important people thought he would rise to their level if he supplied the means to execute their plan and in one fell swoop would convince the whole world that all dogs should be controlled.

So this servant who had three dogs, saw to it that one of these was lost and irretrievably lost. He expected praise and promotion, but his masters were distraught. It was clear to all  that the dog could not have been lost by accident.
He stated that the dog had been taken by a gang of caniphiles, a great danger to all canines but his masters knew that the dog could not have left by itself nor could anyone have stolen it.

But only by making the whole world believe that the meeting had been nothing but families taking their dogs to a sunny resort could their plan be kept safe. So they supported the story of the servant, who had believed he could be one of them by playing this simple trick. But he would never be one of them, he was still a servant, but a rich one. Yet that was not enough.

Many years later the important people are still looking for the lost dog and the caniphiles who might have taken it, in time they may suppose the dog has died, but will always have to declare the servant innnocent.

------

My apologies for the silly story, Latinists will be able to correct or improve on caniphile- caniophile?   

I believe it has to be a whitewash.

Now that Scotland Yard have introduced the idea of death in the apartment, there can be no whitewash.  Convincing the public an abduction occurred was impossible, now they have to persuade the public that the child was murdered and carried away sometime between the half hour checks.

Clarence put down his buttered scone and china teacup to come out and steer the medial's focus into the right direction - Smelly Man.  As an aside, I think the target on his back was a nice touch, clearly someone is keeping it real   

The cat, or should we say the 'death', word is out of the bag Tigger, and that is the word the McCanns hate the most.

"The cat, or should we say the 'death', word is out of the bag Tigger"



Redwood/SY introduced the idea of death right at the beginning of their investigative review.  When he said there were two possibilities - dead or alive (not verbatim)  So this is not new at all, this 'death now being out of the bag'


His comment yesterday will make no difference to the result of the libel trial - he said dead or alive right at the start nearly 3 years ago now!

He just happens to have gone along with the 'alive' version!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6d1FQMC6T8

Scotland Yard's admission Madeleine may have died in the apartment is their get out clause, just in case the PJ have gleaned something they couldn't get their snouts into. Also the Yard blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann, is akin to holding a "whitewash" sign over their own heads. Hence they've attempted to diffuse the ticking time bomb. This is the best they can do with the bag of worms they've corruptly labeled "an abduction."

Of course it was Pennylane that is why from the start Redwood stated Madeleine is either alive or she is not.  That was his two possibilities.  As if there could be any other!  Case stinks of whitewash. How quickly we all forget Crimewatch 1 where this farce was shown not just in the UK but around Europe.  Even the Met don't take to trapping suspects with such elaboration - whitewash painted written all over it!

pennylane wrote:
Scotland Yard's admission Madeleine may have died in the apartment is their get out clause, just in case the PJ have gleaned something they couldn't get their snouts into. Also the Yard blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann, is akin to holding a "whitewash" sign over their own heads. Hence they've attempted to diffuse the ticking time bomb. This is the best they can do with the bag of worms they've corruptly labeled "an abduction."

ultimaThule wrote:

pennylane wrote:
Scotland Yard's admission Madeleine may have died in the apartment is their get out clause, just in case the PJ have gleaned something they couldn't get their snouts into. Also the Yard blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann, is akin to holding a "whitewash" sign over their own heads. Hence they've attempted to diffuse the ticking time bomb. This is the best they can do with the bag of worms they've corruptly labeled "an abduction."

Why do you assume 'the Yard' are 'blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann', penny?

I can't recall any UK police investigation where the public were appraised as to all of the information which was being taken into account before an arrest was made.  Can you?

pennylane wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

pennylane wrote:
Scotland Yard's admission Madeleine may have died in the apartment is their get out clause, just in case the PJ have gleaned something they couldn't get their snouts into. Also the Yard blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann, is akin to holding a "whitewash" sign over their own heads. Hence they've attempted to diffuse the ticking time bomb. This is the best they can do with the bag of worms they've corruptly labeled "an abduction."

Why do you assume 'the Yard' are 'blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann', penny?

I can't recall any UK police investigation where the public were appraised as to all of the information which was being taken into account before an arrest was made.  Can you?

If they weren't ignoring it, the Home Office, who are funding the Operation Grange investigation, would have cooperated with the PJ's requests for information when the crime was in its infancy and the evidence was stacked up against the despicable pair.  Instead they assisted the McCanns in unprecedented fashion, thus insuring they made millions of pounds with which to keep themselves high and dry.

ultimaThule wrote:

pennylane wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

pennylane wrote:
Scotland Yard's admission Madeleine may have died in the apartment is their get out clause, just in case the PJ have gleaned something they couldn't get their snouts into. Also the Yard blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann, is akin to holding a "whitewash" sign over their own heads. Hence they've attempted to diffuse the ticking time bomb. This is the best they can do with the bag of worms they've corruptly labeled "an abduction."

Why do you assume 'the Yard' are 'blatantly ignoring their own CSI blood and cadaver dog alerts to all things McCann', penny?

I can't recall any UK police investigation where the public were appraised as to all of the information which was being taken into account before an arrest was made.  Can you?

If they weren't ignoring it, the Home Office, who are funding the Operation Grange investigation, would have cooperated with the PJ's requests for information when the crime was in its infancy and the evidence was stacked up against the despicable pair. Instead they assisted the McCanns in unprecedented fashion, allowing them to hightail back to the UK, and make millions of pounds with which to keep themselves high and dry.thus insuring they made millions of pounds with which to keep themselves high and dry.

When 'the crime was in its infancy' the Home Office was answerable to political masters who are no longer in asecndancy and I see no reason to believe that Operation Grange is intent on assisting the McCanns 'in unprecented fashion'.

If this were the case, the 'investigative review' could have been concluded within little more than a year of its May 2011 inception with a report to the effect all that could be done had been done and, taking a leaf out of the PJ's action, the case was shelved until such time as new evidence came to light.  

I don't find it coincidental that Grange became a proactive investigation some months after the PJ's Helen Monteiro had been appointed to conduct a cold case review of the shelved investigation, early last year, nor that this review led to the reopening of the PJ's case last October.  

While I feel frustrated that these proceedings have been protracted, IMO the chances of a successful prosecution being effected in 2007 were slim and it's my belief that, regardless of the verdict, a prosecution at that time would have had an adverse impact on both countries.

For these reasons, I am content to await the outcome of the UK and Portuguese investigations, at which time I will make my own judgement as to whether justice has been done to Madeleine McCann.   In the meantime, I do not intend to emulate the McCanns' obvious self-entitlement by demanding that either investigation reveals its hand before putting their cards on the table.

PeterMac wrote:The last case where they ignored the alerts of the dog was Tia.

ultimaThule wrote:

PeterMac wrote:The last case where they ignored the alerts of the dog was Tia.

The Met have a lot to answer for and it beggars belief that they couldn't find an officer slim enough, or brave enough, to fit any more than his/her head into the loft hatch where Tia Sharp's body had been concealed by her murderer on the day her disppearance was reported to the police.

The image of the Met's finest drinking tea on a daily basis with the child's depraved killer for a week in the house where her body lay, while police dogs barked at the ceiling and Commander Neil Basu bigged himself up to the assembled press/tv cameras outside the premises is one which, as a hard-pressed London council tax payer, I prefer not to conjure with. 

Tia Sharp was failed because of political directives which instruct the police to treat lower class dysfunctional families with kid gloves a respect that is rarely, if ever, reciprocated.

Madeleine McCann was failed because neither Tony Blair or Gordon Brown were fit to hold high office and because of the public's continued refusal to recognise that those who become doctors can be unworthy of the esteem the title confers on the holder.

ultimaThule wrote:

PeterMac wrote:The last case where they ignored the alerts of the dog was Tia.

The Met have a lot to answer for and it beggars belief that they couldn't find an officer slim enough, or brave enough, to fit any more than his/her head into the loft hatch where Tia Sharp's body had been concealed by her murderer on the day her disppearance was reported to the police.

The image of the Met's finest drinking tea on a daily basis with the child's depraved killer for a week in the house where her body lay, while police dogs barked at the ceiling and Commander Neil Basu bigged himself up to the assembled press/tv cameras outside the premises is one which, as a hard-pressed London council tax payer, I prefer not to conjure with. 

Tia Sharp was failed because of political directives which instruct the police to treat lower class dysfunctional families with kid gloves a respect that is rarely, if ever, reciprocated.

Madeleine McCann was failed because neither Tony Blair or Gordon Brown were fit to hold high office and because of the public's continued refusal to recognise that those who become doctors can be unworthy of the esteem the title confers on the holder.

pennylane wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

PeterMac wrote:The last case where they ignored the alerts of the dog was Tia.

The Met have a lot to answer for and it beggars belief that they couldn't find an officer slim enough, or brave enough, to fit any more than his/her head into the loft hatch where Tia Sharp's body had been concealed by her murderer on the day her disppearance was reported to the police.

The image of the Met's finest drinking tea on a daily basis with the child's depraved killer for a week in the house where her body lay, while police dogs barked at the ceiling and Commander Neil Basu bigged himself up to the assembled press/tv cameras outside the premises is one which, as a hard-pressed London council tax payer, I prefer not to conjure with. 

Tia Sharp was failed because of political directives which instruct the police to treat lower class dysfunctional families with kid gloves a respect that is rarely, if ever, reciprocated.

Madeleine McCann was failed because neither Tony Blair or Gordon Brown were fit to hold high office and because of the public's continued refusal to recognise that those who become doctors can be unworthy of the esteem the title confers on the holder.

and neither is David Cameron (imho)

I agree with your view of public perception re esteemed doctors.  As far as I can see we are still looking at depraved paedophiles as being greasy, spotty, smelly, swarthy, etc etc.... so what's changed there? Not a thing as far as I can see.