LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
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by Prehensile 21.09.13 11:58
AP – They were surprised with the book because the final Report said they were innocent.
GP – Have you read the final report?
AP says "no".
GP – How do you know then what its conclusions are?
AP because the McCann's told me so you stupid man.
Obviously I have edited the last line but when I read this John Cleese sprung to mind.
GP – Have you read the final report?
AP says "no".
GP – How do you know then what its conclusions are?
AP because the McCann's told me so you stupid man.
Obviously I have edited the last line but when I read this John Cleese sprung to mind.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by jeanmonroe 21.09.13 12:08
AP: doesn't understand how the book could be published, considers that it was 'a violation of the secret'.
And this from a Counsellor who had no trouble violating client-counsellor confidentiality (secret) by revealing to the world, in open court, albeit years after his client herself had told the whole world, about his client wanting to 'whoosh clunk' ALL the remaining members of her family.
And this from a Counsellor who had no trouble violating client-counsellor confidentiality (secret) by revealing to the world, in open court, albeit years after his client herself had told the whole world, about his client wanting to 'whoosh clunk' ALL the remaining members of her family.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Liz Eagles 21.09.13 12:15
It's my understanding from the testimony text provided by Anne Guedes that AP was given permission by KM to speak and therefore didn't break client confidentiality.jeanmonroe wrote:AP: doesn't understand how the book could be published, considers that it was 'a violation of the secret'.
And this from a Counsellor who had no trouble violating client-counsellor confidentiality (secret) by revealing to the world, in open court, albeit years after his client herself had told the whole world, about his client wanting to 'whoosh clunk' ALL the remaining members of her family.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by jeanmonroe 21.09.13 12:23
OK thanks.aquila wrote:It's my understanding from the testimony text provided by Anne Guedes that AP was given permission by KM to speak and therefore didn't break client confidentiality.jeanmonroe wrote:AP: doesn't understand how the book could be published, considers that it was 'a violation of the secret'.
And this from a Counsellor who had no trouble violating client-counsellor confidentiality (secret) by revealing to the world, in open court, albeit years after his client herself had told the whole world, about his client wanting to 'whoosh clunk' ALL the remaining members of her family.
But thinking back he wouldn't have broken it, would he?
Kate McCann had ALREADY told the whole world years before!
Still hope that the twins don't accidentally find out she wanted them 'gone' too.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by ShuBob 21.09.13 12:53
Why was Kate keen to spread Amaral's thesis by translating his book and distributing it? Was it so she could bring those very people she had afforded copies of the book to later act as witnesses at such a trial? What goes on in these people's heads?
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by ShuBob 21.09.13 13:00
Indeed but I question if a true professional who had the interest of his client at heart and the potential damage such a revelation would cause to her young children would really have obliged to reveal such confidential information? Unless he really isn't and is just saying what he's being paid to say. That makes sense.aquila wrote:It's my understanding from the testimony text provided by Anne Guedes that AP was given permission by KM to speak and therefore didn't break client confidentiality.jeanmonroe wrote:AP: doesn't understand how the book could be published, considers that it was 'a violation of the secret'.
And this from a Counsellor who had no trouble violating client-counsellor confidentiality (secret) by revealing to the world, in open court, albeit years after his client herself had told the whole world, about his client wanting to 'whoosh clunk' ALL the remaining members of her family.
Poor Maddie. Poor Sean and Amelie. I'm afraid I don't see a bright future for those kids
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Praiaaa 21.09.13 13:02
Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Liz Eagles 21.09.13 13:06
The credentials of all the 'professional' witnesses will no doubt have already been submitted to the Court. I hope that these credentials have been examined.ShuBob wrote:Indeed but I question if a true professional who had the interest of his client at heart and the potential damage such a revelation would cause to her young children would really have obliged to reveal such confidential information? Unless he really isn't and is just saying what he's being paid to say. That makes sense.aquila wrote:It's my understanding from the testimony text provided by Anne Guedes that AP was given permission by KM to speak and therefore didn't break client confidentiality.jeanmonroe wrote:AP: doesn't understand how the book could be published, considers that it was 'a violation of the secret'.
And this from a Counsellor who had no trouble violating client-counsellor confidentiality (secret) by revealing to the world, in open court, albeit years after his client herself had told the whole world, about his client wanting to 'whoosh clunk' ALL the remaining members of her family.
Poor Maddie. Poor Sean and Amelie. I'm afraid I don't see a bright future for those kids
and Shubob, you're right poor kids.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Sceneset 21.09.13 13:19
Just some additional information re Tigger's post
It is an offence for someone who is not in the appropriate section of the HPC - UK register ( and I can't find Pike under any heading) to provide clinical, counselling, educational, forensic, occupational, health, sport and exercise services without being registered and the required level of qualification for entry for clinical and counselling is a professional Doctorate...
It is an offence for someone who is not in the appropriate section of the HPC - UK register ( and I can't find Pike under any heading) to provide clinical, counselling, educational, forensic, occupational, health, sport and exercise services without being registered and the required level of qualification for entry for clinical and counselling is a professional Doctorate...
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Woofer 21.09.13 13:20
That`s what I don`t get.Praiaaa wrote:Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
It seems this claim is just being made because the book `upset` them and prevented the search.
It all seems pointless to me when their own theory of abduction is not proved.
How can this claim proceed on an unproven theory.
The judge even allowed Alan Pike`s wording of `abduction`, when this is merely the claimant`s theory.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by tigger 21.09.13 13:32
But they didn't even search themselves when they had the chance! Nothing and nobody was stopping them and the sat Dow to delete calls from their mobiles and then made something in the region of 50 calls to family and friends. Then they slept for an hour or so!Woofer wrote:That`s what I don`t get.Praiaaa wrote:Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
It seems this claim is just being made because the book `upset` them and prevented the search.
It all seems pointless to me when their own theory of abduction is not proved.
How can this claim proceed on an unproven theory.
The judge even allowed Alan Pike`s wording of `abduction`, when this is merely the claimant`s theory.
How? If my cat was missing I'd not be able to sleep and deleting calls from my mobile would be pretty far down the list.
Whilst making all those calls they could have been looking and calling for her - but they diidn't. :bad:
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by tiny 21.09.13 13:34
I worry about this judge:sad:tigger wrote:But they didn't even search themselves when they had the chance!Woofer wrote:That`s what I don`t get.Praiaaa wrote:Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
It seems this claim is just being made because the book `upset` them and prevented the search.
It all seems pointless to me when their own theory of abduction is not proved.
How can this claim proceed on an unproven theory.
The judge even allowed Alan Pike`s wording of `abduction`, when this is merely the claimant`s theory.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by ShuBob 21.09.13 13:37
I don't. She seems to have read both Amaral's book and the archiving dispatch which is a good thing. I expect she would give a very detailed explanation of whatever judgement she reaches.tiny wrote:I worry about this judge:sad:tigger wrote:But they didn't even search themselves when they had the chance!Woofer wrote:That`s what I don`t get.Praiaaa wrote:Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
It seems this claim is just being made because the book `upset` them and prevented the search.
It all seems pointless to me when their own theory of abduction is not proved.
How can this claim proceed on an unproven theory.
The judge even allowed Alan Pike`s wording of `abduction`, when this is merely the claimant`s theory.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Woofer 21.09.13 13:39
Interesting Sceneset. Perhaps he should be reported - that`s if he`s required to be a member.Sceneset wrote:Just some additional information re Tigger's post
It is an offence for someone who is not in the appropriate section of the HPC - UK register ( and I can't find Pike under any heading) to provide clinical, counselling, educational, forensic, occupational, health, sport and exercise services without being registered and the required level of qualification for entry for clinical and counselling is a professional Doctorate...
http://www.hcpc-uk.org/landing/?id=4
Do all therapists have to be registered though?
Perhaps he is a member of the UKCP (UK Council for Psychotherapy) or the BACP (British Association for Counselling & Therapy)
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Guest 21.09.13 13:42
Has his LinkedIn profile been posted yet?
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/alanpikeccp
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/alanpikeccp
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Woofer 21.09.13 13:45
All I`m saying is this Judge should have thrown the case out at the beginning because it is based on an UNPROVEN theory.
Anyone could make up a theory, have someone else disagree, then sue them because they disagreed.
The FOUNDATION for their case is NOT PROVED.
Anyone could make up a theory, have someone else disagree, then sue them because they disagreed.
The FOUNDATION for their case is NOT PROVED.
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by Woofer 21.09.13 13:49
Thanks NFWTD.No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Has his LinkedIn profile been posted yet?
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/alanpikeccp
No, he`s not a member of any of the accrediting organisations - all his memberships would be listed on Linkedin and none are.
Last line deleted could be libelous
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Guest 21.09.13 13:57
Good heavens - what a shock that the McCanns have another suspect under-qualified character attaching himself to their cause!
You could have knocked me down with a feather.
P.S. I wonder what the intrepid Mr Pike was doing between 1989 and 1999? Nothing according to his profile!
You could have knocked me down with a feather.
P.S. I wonder what the intrepid Mr Pike was doing between 1989 and 1999? Nothing according to his profile!
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Liz Eagles 21.09.13 14:00
Thank you NFWTD,No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Has his LinkedIn profile been posted yet?
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/alanpikeccp
I made a long post this morning regarding AP's 'length of service' so to speak and his response in the Lisbon court when questioned on this. Now I find the linkedin profile also doesn't correlate to the responses given to the court.
Perhaps Anne Guedes has made a typo when AP responds to the judge saying he has been with CCP for 7 years. I hope Anne is not offended by this suggestion but it would be extremely helpful to clarify this point as I feel it is of importance.
Thank you Anne Guedes for your transcripts.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Newintown 21.09.13 14:09
aiyoyoaiyoyo wrote:Trashing's mccanns' reputation? He's bothering on libelous Amaral.russiandoll wrote:AP says the activities and reactions of Gonçalo Amaral were unpleasant and distressing. At that time it was very difficult to tolerate his campaign of trashing the McCann's reputation.
There should be OBJECTIVE, DISPASSIONATE AND CLINICAL ASSESSMENT, BECAUSE THIS WITNESS HAS BROUGHT UP SUICIDE.
The above is hearsay, he is merely quoting what he has been told about a person's emotions, he is not giving an expert professional opinion.
WHERE ARE THE MEDICAL NOTES AND PSYCHIATRIC REPORTS ?
What a difference some coaching makes hey?
Have no doubt he'd some coaching from Kate and ID.
I hope you don't mind me correcting your post but should that line read -
He's bordering on libeling Amaral.
I just wanted to put that right in case AG's lawyer is reading the forum.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by plebgate 21.09.13 14:18
I would be surprised if Mr. A and his lawyers had not included in their evidence that Mrs. has said/written (reportedly) that she wanted Mr. A. to feel fear.
Now if the Judge is aware of this, I wonder if during her summing up, she finds that this action was vexatious and did not show that Mr. A. had damaged the search for Maddie.
Nowt so funny as the law, but we shall keep our fingers crossed.
Edited to change wording second sentence.
Now if the Judge is aware of this, I wonder if during her summing up, she finds that this action was vexatious and did not show that Mr. A. had damaged the search for Maddie.
Nowt so funny as the law, but we shall keep our fingers crossed.
Edited to change wording second sentence.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by Newintown 21.09.13 14:22
"Giving them enough rope to hang themseves" comes to mind!Praiaaa wrote:Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
They are saying things that may not look favourable in the final summing up.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by jeanmonroe 21.09.13 14:25
They are SAYING things that nobody has a clue about!Newintown wrote:"Giving them enough rope to hang themseves" comes to mind!Praiaaa wrote:Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
They are saying things that may not look favourable in the final summing up.
What did their mate Laurie Leveson say?
"Never trust an eyewitness whose memory gets better over time, especially when he has a book to sell," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at the Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and a seasoned observer of celebrity-related legal cases
"Never trust an eyewitness whose memory gets better over time"
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by plebgate 21.09.13 14:28
and by heck folks WE DON'T.jeanmonroe wrote:Theyare SAYING things that nobody has a clue about!Newintown wrote:"Giving them enough rope to hang themseves" comes to mind!Praiaaa wrote:Al very sad, this effect the book supposedly had on Kate - but what does it have to with the central issue, ie is it or insn't it libellous? Why does the judge allow all this guff from 'witnesses' that is completely irrelevant to the point?
They are saying things that may not look favourable in the final summing up.
What did their mate Justice Leveson say?
"Never trust a witness whose memory gets better over time" OSLT.
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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE
by aiyoyo 21.09.13 14:29
No prob.Newintown wrote:aiyoyoaiyoyo wrote:Trashing's mccanns' reputation? He's bothering on libelous Amaral.russiandoll wrote:AP says the activities and reactions of Gonçalo Amaral were unpleasant and distressing. At that time it was very difficult to tolerate his campaign of trashing the McCann's reputation.
There should be OBJECTIVE, DISPASSIONATE AND CLINICAL ASSESSMENT, BECAUSE THIS WITNESS HAS BROUGHT UP SUICIDE.
The above is hearsay, he is merely quoting what he has been told about a person's emotions, he is not giving an expert professional opinion.
WHERE ARE THE MEDICAL NOTES AND PSYCHIATRIC REPORTS ?
What a difference some coaching makes hey?
Have no doubt he'd some coaching from Kate and ID.
I hope you don't mind me correcting your post but should that line read -
He's bordering on libeling Amaral.
I just wanted to put that right in case AG's lawyer is reading the forum.
I often suffer that - mind and fingers not in synch. Dont know the correct term to call that.
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