Re: McCanns Hire Car Contract

by jd 12.02.13 23:42

Nobody has said gerry mccann played golf in PDL...This is the point. For a mad keen golfer it is extremely odd that he never played a round despite having so much time to do so. He was not with his kids or Tapas friends for most of the daytimes. He does not play tennis in the UK, just Golf and he was surrounded by some of the best golf courses in PDL

This has nothing to do with the car hire contract, just a side point that came up and an interesting one at that

by lufc50337 12.02.13 23:43

I think that's the point we're debating is that GM allegedly didn't go to play golf which for a keen golfer would be unusual if there's a decent course 5 minutes away while you're in Portugal

There was plenty of time even with crèche runs for at least 9 holes.

Not saying he did play golf but it is a reasonably strong possibility to look at and if he did why has he hid it

by jd 12.02.13 23:46

sally66 wrote:I think that's the point we're debating is that GM allegedly didn't go to play golf which for a keen golfer would be unusual if there's a decent course 5 minutes away while you're in Portugal

There was plenty of time even with crèche runs for at least 9 holes.

Not saying he did play golf but it is a reasonably strong possibility to look at and if he did why has he hid it

I know so many golfers in real life and every single one of them are always itching to play a round, on holidays especially. Its also known as the outdoor office too, many contracts are agreed (in principal) on the golf courses

by Guest 12.02.13 23:51

Inspectorfrost wrote:

Im not trying to argue with you just asking what you are getting at and what evidence you have for it if thats ok goodnite jd keep digging you are always going to get to the other side as my hubby says keep drilling and you will get to the other side of the wall

I for one wont be googling gerry pdl golfing cos it does not exist and I have no idea why it would

Keep on drillin' Inspectorfrost hopefully there is a large hole on the other side.

by lufc50337 13.02.13 0:00

jd wrote:
sally66 wrote:I think that's the point we're debating is that GM allegedly didn't go to play golf which for a keen golfer would be unusual if there's a decent course 5 minutes away while you're in Portugal

There was plenty of time even with crèche runs for at least 9 holes.

Not saying he did play golf but it is a reasonably strong possibility to look at and if he did why has he hid it

I know so many golfers in real life and every single one of them are always itching to play a round, on holidays especially. Its also known as the outdoor office too, many contracts are agreed (in principal) on the golf courses

Same here and it doesn't matter where in the world we go a round of golf is involved and that even goes for the periodic Golfers, I think it's the lure of a new course and Portugal courses are renowned for being good.

It is possible he didn't get to play but I would have thought it would be too near to resist.

I understand some people don't understand why we find this intriguing but a lot of my family and friends play golf, some avidly and some maybe only twice a year but they all play on holiday if possible

by jd 13.02.13 0:05

Apart from playing tennis...what else do we know of what gerry mccann did during the day during that week?

I've seen lots of references in statements of kate mccann being by the pool (they don't mention gerry mccann being there) and running, washing. The kids were in creche each morning from 9.30 to 12.30. The mccanns never took lunch with their tapas friends (except 1st day) nor breakfast either. Kids back in creche at 2.30 to 5.30....What was gerry mccann doing with this much free time?

by listener 13.02.13 0:08

I was a 'social golfer'.
But during my dozen or so stays on the Algarve, namely Lagos, Luz and Burgau, I never made use of any of their fabulous courses. So I can't reason that he must have played golf that week!
Maybe he would have liked to - but that's different.

by listener 13.02.13 0:48

listener wrote:I was a 'social golfer'.
But during my dozen or so stays on the Algarve, namely Lagos, Luz and Burgau, I never made use of any of their fabulous courses. So I can't reason that he must have played golf that week!
Maybe he would have liked to - but that's different.

Sorry, meant to add - he wasn't there for the golf!

by Pershing36 13.02.13 9:02

I had to hire a van the other day and had a problem which has led me back to this thread.

Basically the van was for a friend who was moving. I lived with the friend for a while so had a lot of my mail going there including my credit card which I never use, I have a prepaid one for day to day stuff. I changed all my other addresses but must have forgot my credit card.

Anyway on the day of hire I gave the firm my driving licence and my prepaid card. They don't accept prepaid it has to be a credit card or similar. So I tried my credit card which also failed because the postcode on my licence was now different to the credit card. A bit like when you make online purchases and your address doesn't exactly match the payment will fail. The card holder also has to be the hirer, as we had to use a friends card which altered the whole rental agreement. You have to back up your address with two forms of ID.

Whether this is a new thing with car hire I am not sure, but it does ask the question how the hell did GM pay for the car on his card if the address didn't match his credit card. If he did pay for it on the infamous credit cards then they may have had to have been in the old address.

I do recall have a similar problem in the USA with hire company Dollar back in 2002 when a mistake with the credit card company in post code didn't match. You have to have $1500 of available credit on a card there to hire. So it has been about awhile with at least some hire companies.

by flaxyard 13.02.13 12:00

Wow. This thread is really interesting. Keep digging! I have always thought the credit cards (or lack of), the hire car including Murat and the mobile phone data hold clues. GA states the files hold the answers.

I agree the hire car scenario and mobile phone activity is highly complex and raises more questions than answers.

I am more interested in data that is to this day freely available. Regards credit card ownership, presumably the PJ would have carried out some form of experian or similar credit check. This would have unequivocably answered the questions regarding credit card ID and ownership, loans & mortgages in one simple request spanning six years or more. (It would also show any card stoppages, discharge of certain cards etc). They could then apply to the banks for statements detailed down to individual transaction level.

This MUST have been done. SURELY. There is enough info on files for me to do this myself!

by flaxyard 13.02.13 12:07

Wow. This thread is really interesting. Keep digging! I have always thought the credit cards (or lack of), the hire car including Murat and the mobile phone data hold clues. GA states the files hold the answers.

I agree the hire car scenario and mobile phone activity is highly complex and raises more questions than answers.

I am more interested in data that is to this day freely available. Regards credit card ownership, presumably the PJ would have carried out some form of experian or similar credit check. This would have unequivocably answered the questions regarding credit card ID and ownership, loans & mortgages in one simple request spanning six years or more. (It would also show any card stoppages, discharge of certain cards etc). They could then apply to the banks for statements detailed down to individual transaction level.

This MUST have been done. SURELY. There is enough info on files for me to do this myself!

by Lostfridge 13.02.13 13:04

flaxyard wrote:Wow. This thread is really interesting. Keep digging! I have always thought the credit cards (or lack of), the hire car including Murat and the mobile phone data hold clues. GA states the files hold the answers.

I agree the hire car scenario and mobile phone activity is highly complex and raises more questions than answers.

I am more interested in data that is to this day freely available. Regards credit card ownership, presumably the PJ would have carried out some form of experian or similar credit check. This would have unequivocably answered the questions regarding credit card ID and ownership, loans & mortgages in one simple request spanning six years or more. (It would also show any card stoppages, discharge of certain cards etc). They could then apply to the banks for statements detailed down to individual transaction level.

This MUST have been done. SURELY. There is enough info on files for me to do this myself!

All such data was refused by the British Home Office. One would assume that if the PJ did have that information we wouldn't be where we are now.

by Pershing36 13.02.13 13:57

It almost seems like they still had a connection to the Queniborough address.

Definitely by Driving Licence, unless it was just a not bothering to change it and possibly the credit cards.

Can't imagine what though.

by flaxyard 13.02.13 14:58

Well we really need to run a third party credit check. Anybody on here have access to credit referencing? Many companies use this now in the course of business. This would span the last six years and I think could be rather enlightening....

by Pershing36 13.02.13 15:09

flaxyard wrote:Well we really need to run a third party credit check. Anybody on here have access to credit referencing? Many companies use this now in the course of business. This would span the last six years and I think could be rather enlightening....

On both addresses as well. Something is niggling me about this thread and I can't put my finger on what it can be.

by Guest 13.02.13 15:12

Pershing36 wrote:
flaxyard wrote:Well we really need to run a third party credit check. Anybody on here have access to credit referencing? Many companies use this now in the course of business. This would span the last six years and I think could be rather enlightening....

On both addresses as well. Something is niggling me about this thread and I can't put my finger on what it can be.

Not a good idea, those that can are not or should not divulge confidential info. It would certainly not be allowed on this forum

by Dr What 13.02.13 15:14

Some posts back, we did wonder who exactly is/are the current owners of the Queniborough address.
In other words, do the Mcs still have some connection with it or the owners?

by flaxyard 13.02.13 15:38

Pershing. Agreed. There is something not right. Have always thought the credit card element of this saga as very strange. MOD - If I find a way externally of this site of extracting this info I will also find a way of keeping it off here.

by joyce1938 13.02.13 17:58

I thought that when asked about credit cards ,he said there are no credit cards,it was something i think that was requested ,to know what credit cards as be good to see history of such ,i am sure it turned out there were non seen?joyce1938

by Inspectorfrost 13.02.13 19:19

GM never denied that he had credit cards.

The PJ asked for the tapas 9 financial backround and what they got back was a couple pages of odds and sods, it was not clear what this summary actually was or where it came from. It was obviously not any kind of thorough report, blame Jacqui Smith the Home Officer minister at the time, OR her boss at the time!, for that disgraceful debacle. And also for refusing to investigate, at a further request for Gerry Mccanns financial history by the PJ, because the time line asked for was too long, giving some excuse like it was invasion of privacy. Yes right, Ms Smith, leaving no stone unturned in defeating crime, however all the details of all British citizens who are NOT official suspects in any crime whatsoever are free to be monitored as and when and their privacy is not defended. HYPOCRITES. She is also the one responsible for holding up the rogatory interviews for SIX months. No sense of urgency then, something many complained the PJ didn't have either.

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by Smokeandmirrors 13.02.13 19:36

Aah, the fragrant Ms Smith, who expenses included her husbands pay-per-view porn. Upstanding pillar of honesty and morality that woman.

by Inspectorfrost 13.02.13 19:39

by flaxyard 13.02.13 22:27

The above link is precisely why we need to do our own search. Its cheap and foolproof. i.e. no interference....

by jd 14.02.13 1:39

Pershing36 wrote:It almost seems like they still had a connection to the Queniborough address.

Definitely by Driving Licence, unless it was just a not bothering to change it and possibly the credit cards.

Can't imagine what though.

It wasn't just not bothering, they knew exactly what they were doing and why they were doing it. I know more than I let on. The credit cards is one of the keys and what you have posted today Pershing is spot on. We had a global reason why they had to cancel these credit cards 2 weeks later in Waterloo. This was done for a reason

by Lady-Heather 14.02.13 9:09

Did GM still live at the Queniborough address? Yes there was a reason why that address was used for the car hire and why the credit cards had to be cancelled (also had GM as living at that address?). Who was the property sold to in Jan 06?