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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.05.20 21:45

@PeterMac wrote:There seem to have been quite a lot of Priests involved.
From the Autobiography 
Kate:  "I asked the resort staff if they might be able to find a priest to come and pray with us and support us. I think they tried, but either they couldn’t contact anyone or there was no priest available, so I carried on praying on my own.
"Just after 2am, I spoke to my friend Father Paul Seddon, the priest who had married Gerry and me and baptized Madeleine. He offered me words of comfort and then prayed for our little girl."
So she spoke to him on the phone
Then, because I was looking yet again at The Curious Incident of the Waterslide in the Sunshine, I found another priest.

Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine.
Later that evening, [4/5/7] we were visited by the Anglican minister and his wife who were temporarily serving the Church of England community in Luz until the arrival at the weekend of a new minister from Canada. As the Catholic priest was away on retreat, they had come to offer their support to Gerry, me and our family, which we greatly appreciated. 

and the next day
Saturday 5 May was the day we should have been going home,
That evening the local Catholic priest, Father José Manuel Pacheco, who had returned to Luz, came across to our apartment to introduce himself and offer his support. My first impression was of a very cheery chap. Nothing wrong with that, but at the time his smiling face seemed out of place in the grief-laden atmosphere of our apartment.

But in the side article in 'First Magazine" we read :
The night Madeleine disappeared, [3/5/7] Kate and Gerry telephoned local Anglican priest Father [sic] David Heal, asking him to visit them at their apartment in Praia da Luz.  When he arrived with his wife, 38-year-old Kate threw herself into the priest's arms as she broke down.
It took him almost three hours to comfort Kate . . . blah blah

And Kate' s recollection, seared permanently into her memory by the terrible events, and recorded permanently in her truthful book
 . .they couldn’t contact anyone or there was no priest available.

Just as well he wasn't around on the night, since it was F. Pacheco who reported later
Last night a close friend of the priest told the Daily Express: “Father Jose can’t even hear the Madeleine case mentioned without becoming irate.
“Even his closest friends must tread carefully when dealing with anything connected to the McCanns. When they broach the subject he immediately changes it.
“He says that it is an extremely unpleasant situation and that the McCann family only ever brought him problems. He told one friend they ruined his life.
Another friend said: “All this family brought him were problems. Talking about Madeleine is a sure way to spoil his day. There are two completely different Pachecos, the one before the McCanns and this shell of a man after the McCanns.
“He’s a nervous wreck. He’s hiding secrets that are destroying him.”

And we must never forget the Hubbards
"We had been invited to this lunch by Susan, the wife of Haynes Hubbard, the new Anglican minister in Praia da Luz. The Hubbards had come to Portugal from Canada three days after Madeleine’s abduction and this was the first time I had met Susan.

So to sum up.  On the "night" in question [3/5/7]
EITHER there is no priest available in PdL, so Kate phones a Catholic one (Father Seddon) in the UK and talks to him
OR, an Anglican one, The Rev. D Heal goes round and she hugs him (an RC hugging an Anglican!) for 3 hours, but doesn't mention it to anyone, and it is not witnessed by anyone and appears in none of the available statements or the book


The next night [4/5/7]
An Anglican priest goes round, is not named in the book, but may be The Rev. D Heal, (¿ going back for another 3 hour cuddle ?)

The evening after that [5/5/7] 
A Catholic Priest, Father Pacheco goes round but tries to cheer them up and smiles too much so they destroy his life forever.

The day after that [6/5/7]
A second Anglican Priest appears on the scene, The Rev. H Hubbard, and they don't cuddle him or destroy his life.

Which is nice.

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Very good indeed Peter.

As soon as I saw this thread revived, I thought to myself, "There were FOUR priests". 

But there are serious doubts about Father Heal's account. I can't remember if I ever checked whether there actually WAS a Father Heal. Maybe there is. 

Even if there is, a still more pertinent point is: "Was there ever a First Magazine?"


IIRC I could find no trace of it. The account in First Magazine of Vicky Boyd of her and her son Louie playing football by the pool with Madeleine for an hour and sliding down the waterslide on sunny (ahem) Wednesday was a veritable and very obvious tissue of lies. You have to ask why she would make up such lies - or were they written for her perhaps?

In fact, were the two pages we were shown by the media of this alleged article yet one more fake in this case of fake news?

No magazine. Just two dummy pages!

It would be easy to mock one up.

This was a very clever house of cards they all constructed.

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Post by Verdi on 31.05.20 1:23

Had the Reverend David Heal and his wife been called to apartment 5a on the night of 3rd/4th May 2007, had proceedings flowed as reported in the article by this 'magazine', the Heals would have been key witnesses to the event. They would have been formally interviewed by the PJ and their witness statements would be included in the investigation files. This is not the case.


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Post by Verdi on 31.05.20 1:40

The bare necessities, the only truly believable account in my view..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14479p50-key-witness-statements-for-information-only#418588

The rest is window dressing -  media hype, deception and bearing false witness.  

The Hubbards arrived in Portugal, from Canada, on 6th May 2007,  of the cloth, they and they alone were befriended by the McCanns.

Susan Hubbard returned the church keys.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14479p50-key-witness-statements-for-information-only#418590

The sanctimonious duo hold the key.

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Post by PeterMac on 31.05.20 8:07

On the 5th, the theme they talked about was the disappearance and he gave all possible spiritual comfort and they prayed together. They also agreed that the couple would go to the church the following day to attend a mass.



When questioned, he said he never heard their confessions, perhaps because they only spoke English.
He never talked to them alone.


So what language did they use to talk about the disappearance, and in what language did he give spiritual comfort ?
And if they couldn't even communicate, how did they manage to "destroy his life" ?
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Post by Liz Eagles on 31.05.20 8:25

At which particular point was there a translator present?

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Post by PeterMac on 31.05.20 8:41

Can you confess through a translator ?   Surely at Confession you are speaking direct to God through His representative on earth, and He will understand every word you say . 
[Assuming of course that as an omnipotent being He has not told you what to say it he first place.   Never got my head round that one !]

And having said it you can surely be told to say the requisite number of Hail Marys, or Paternosters, or Rosaries and be forgiven, even if the Human form of the Priest did not actually understand any of it.

Another small point.
If the McCanns did not go to Confession, then they could not receive Absolution and be in a State of Grace, and therefore could not receive Communion.
And if they did, this was very wrong, probably a Sin, and something which they should Confess, but  . . .
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Post by PeterMac on 31.05.20 9:03

First Magazine seems to have survived until 2008, when it was still banging on about the McCanns

It was published by EMAP entertainment
https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/louise-matthews-depart-md-emap-entertainment-consultancy-role/655437
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Post by Verdi on 31.05.20 14:22

Pacheco said, when interviewed by the PJ and recorded in the PJ files as his witness statement - 'he never heard their confession', whether or not a translator was present is irrelevant.

Remember again, this is not recorded verbatim.

As regards his life being ruined and whatever else, as I said window dressing. Media hype, deception and bearing false witness. I'm very consistent with my distrust of the British media.

The Portugal Resident however. friend of CMOMM..

Praia da Luz priest denies reports in UK newspaper


13th December 2007

By: CECÍLIA PIRES

PRAIA DA Luz church is receiving the image of Our Lady of Fátima on Monday, December 18, in a special visit to the region and this is the reason why ribbons and images of Madeleine McCann have been temporarily removed from its interior, according to father José Manuel Pacheco, the local catholic priest .

Praia da Luz’s community “has not forgotten the little British girl and special prayers are still being held every Friday,” father José Manuel Pacheco told The Resident.

The catholic priest was reacting to reports in the UK’s Daily Express in which he is said to have “ordered the removal of scores of green and yellow ribbons which were put up as a symbol of hope in the days after Madeleine vanished”. The British newspaper quotes a “close friend to the priest” as saying that the latter “can’t even hear the Madeleine case mentioned without becoming irate.” A statement that father José Manuel Pacheco describes as “barbarity” and a “lie”. “I do not know who that ‘friend’ might be, but I doubt such person is my friend”, he told The Resident.

Father José Manuel Pacheco ensures that “priests have no power to order anything in our churches. We have an entity for that, which is the Conselho Pastoral, where the catholic community is represented”.

Church key

With regards to the key to Praia da Luz church that the McCanns were given after Madeleine went missing, so that the couple could pray in privacy, “that was a decision made by the Conselho Pastoral and I only knew about it three days later”.

Father José Manuel Pacheco said: “Madeleine McCann’s parents know that we support them and that is the most important thing. The family kept very close and good relations with the church and its representatives in Praia da Luz”.

Madeleine McCann has now been missing for 225 days and her parents renew appeals every day looking for “that piece of information” that will lead to her being found. In contrast, the police investigation being carried out in Portugal continues to focus on the couple as the main suspects for her probable death.

If you have any information on the whereabouts of Madeleine McCann, please contact the McCann helpline on +34 902 300 213 or the Portuguese Police on +351 282 405 400.

https://www.portugalresident.com/praia-da-luz-priest-denies-reports-in-uk-newspaper/


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Post by Liz Eagles on 31.05.20 15:04

@PeterMac wrote:Can you confess through a translator ?   Surely at Confession you are speaking direct to God through His representative on earth, and He will understand every word you say . 
[Assuming of course that as an omnipotent being He has not told you what to say it he first place.   Never got my head round that one !]

And having said it you can surely be told to say the requisite number of Hail Marys, or Paternosters, or Rosaries and be forgiven, even if the Human form of the Priest did not actually understand any of it.

Another small point.
If the McCanns did not go to Confession, then they could not receive Absolution and be in a State of Grace, and therefore could not receive Communion.
And if they did, this was very wrong, probably a Sin, and something which they should Confess, but  . . .
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