The Priests

@Richard IV wrote:@ lj  "The reason they turned to the Anglican priests? The catholic church is the only church that does confessions. I assume that the catholic church there is the same as here in South US/North Mexico: you cannot go to communion unless you confessed. Maybe they just had enough decency to not lie in a confession, and avoided the whole thing by going to the Anglican services and turning to the Anglican priests.


You could be right, especially as Father Pacheco never heard their confessions, supposedly because they only spoke English but going from his statement, he seems to have communicated well enough with them at other times.  Could that have been why he felt so deceived by them.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FATHER_PACHECO.htm

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:

@Richard IV wrote:@ lj  "The reason they turned to the Anglican priests? The catholic church is the only church that does confessions. I assume that the catholic church there is the same as here in South US/North Mexico: you cannot go to communion unless you confessed. Maybe they just had enough decency to not lie in a confession, and avoided the whole thing by going to the Anglican services and turning to the Anglican priests.


You could be right, especially as Father Pacheco never heard their confessions, supposedly because they only spoke English but going from his statement, he seems to have communicated well enough with them at other times.  Could that have been why he felt so deceived by them.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FATHER_PACHECO.htm

In red above....

TextUSA seems to think that Fr Pacheco DID hear their confessions, and the burden of this haunted him.

I cant clarify whether Fr Pacheco did hear the confession or not, but in Catholic confession your sin is effectively forgiven....the priest uses the words 'I absolve you from your sins', irrespective of seriousness. If true to his vocation, Fr Pacheco has no choice but to take this to the grave.

I think a confession to Fr Pacheco is extremely likely and is a very significant event for TM's going forward. Psychologically, this would be a huge monkey off their backs, and Fr Pacheco wouldn't be needed after that, so they can maintain their saintliness in the limelight with another any other member of the cloth who happens to come along.

Post confession K&G would have a clean soul, and they are now only doing what's best in the interests of the twins, which is to protect them from scandal. I think this could well be their mindset and justification that keeps them going. Oh, and of course, Gerry always has to win, just like his hero Lance, irrespective of the casualties....He cant help it, he's just a born winner, what a great guy !

In my opinion.

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:@Tinkier

I don't think so, TB waited until he stood down as PM since current constitutional rules make the appointment of a Catholic PM very difficult.

Cherie Blair has always been a practising Catholic and the children were all brought up as Catholic, so I believe he did it for family reasons as soon as was practicable.

IMO

@skyrocket wrote:Just found this re: HQH - he was married before 6 Oct 1997.

http://www.wycliffecollege.ca/documents/insightdec97.html:

INSIGHT: WYCLIFFE COLLEGE

December 1997, No. 43, Online Edition

Alumni/ae News

Rev. Haynes Hubbard, W95, and his wife Sue are now the proud parents of Sebastian Aidan Haynes Hubbard, born October 6, 1997.

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:

@Richard IV wrote:@ lj  "The reason they turned to the Anglican priests? The catholic church is the only church that does confessions. I assume that the catholic church there is the same as here in South US/North Mexico: you cannot go to communion unless you confessed. Maybe they just had enough decency to not lie in a confession, and avoided the whole thing by going to the Anglican services and turning to the Anglican priests.


You could be right, especially as Father Pacheco never heard their confessions, supposedly because they only spoke English but going from his statement, he seems to have communicated well enough with them at other times.  Could that have been why he felt so deceived by them.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FATHER_PACHECO.htm

In red above....

TextUSA seems to think that Fr Pacheco DID hear their confessions, and the burden of this haunted him.

I cant clarify whether Fr Pacheco did hear the confession or not, but in Catholic confession your sin is effectively forgiven....the priest uses the words 'I absolve you from your sins', irrespective of seriousness. If true to his vocation, Fr Pacheco has no choice but to take this to the grave.

I think a confession to Fr Pacheco is extremely likely and is a very significant event for TM's going forward. Psychologically, this would be a huge monkey off their backs, and Fr Pacheco wouldn't be needed after that, so they can maintain their saintliness in the limelight with another any other member of the cloth who happens to come along.

Post confession K&G would have a clean soul, and they are now only doing what's best in the interests of the twins, which is to protect them from scandal. I think this could well be their mindset and justification that keeps them going. Oh, and of course, Gerry always has to win, just like his hero Lance, irrespective of the casualties....He cant help it, he's just a born winner, what a great guy !

In my opinion.

@tigger wrote:It's not just that the Hubbards arrived so very serendipitously (Hmm is this a word?)  it's the 'Father' Hubbard so eminently suitable to further expecially Kate's journey to sainthood.  He even said that 'when he came into the presence of the McCanns..etc. (from the radio interview) he was totally convinced of their innocence or whatever.

Moreover, the frequent publication of Kate being blessed by the Rev. Hubbard. Kate with her ponytail and little girl tops, Hubbard in virginal white, all surrounded by light doesn't ring true to me.

@lj wrote:

@tigger wrote:It's not just that the Hubbards arrived so very serendipitously (Hmm is this a word?)  it's the 'Father' Hubbard so eminently suitable to further expecially Kate's journey to sainthood.  He even said that 'when he came into the presence of the McCanns..etc. (from the radio interview) he was totally convinced of their innocence or whatever.

Moreover, the frequent publication of Kate being blessed by the Rev. Hubbard. Kate with her ponytail and little girl tops, Hubbard in virginal white, all surrounded by light doesn't ring true to me.

Yeah, PR in the most disgusting form.

@tinkier wrote:

@lj wrote:

@tigger wrote:It's not just that the Hubbards arrived so very serendipitously (Hmm is this a word?)  it's the 'Father' Hubbard so eminently suitable to further expecially Kate's journey to sainthood.  He even said that 'when he came into the presence of the McCanns..etc. (from the radio interview) he was totally convinced of their innocence or whatever.

Moreover, the frequent publication of Kate being blessed by the Rev. Hubbard. Kate with her ponytail and little girl tops, Hubbard in virginal white, all surrounded by light doesn't ring true to me.

Yeah, PR in the most disgusting form.

Devine intervention?………The Hubbards now believe Madeleine's disappearance is the reason they were "called" to Portugal. Susan Hubbard remembers the moment it hit her. 'It wasn't until months after when I saw what really brought us here that I was awestruck that he confirmed we were to be here before we even set foot in "our" town of Praia de Luz, she says "for me, he confirmed it on the plane, the fact that there was a child missing here gave us out first mission before we set foot in the place".
http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2008/05/02/profile-susan-hubbard/

@Honeyblade wrote:Only a little addition but my son is an Anglican priest in training
He tells me two things that may or may not be of interest
One according to high Anglican tradition ... Bells & smells but no Pope or immortal Virgin Mary .. Priests in charge  are called father & in churches that survived prior to 1662  they can be called cardinal rectors this is certainly case within city of London ..
He also told me & this I found fascinating anything said under the seal of confessional is sacrosanct but the priest hearing a 'bad 'confession like admission of murder or child abuse rape etc is DUTY bound to pass it on to his superior where it stops being sacrosanct and although he could not reveal source a superior might be able  guide authorities in the persons direction should they wish to or make sure it WASNT  guided in authorities direction
May explain influx of various priests ofcourse only my opinion

@aquila wrote:Does anyone think that there was a confession made to any priest in PDL, let alone anywhere else? I know I don't.

McCann Case: 'The British Priest Staged Everything'

@aquila wrote:Does anyone think that there was a confession made to any priest in PDL, let alone anywhere else? I know I don't.

The whole religious angle was an exploitative PR exercise imo.

@aquila wrote:Does anyone think that there was a confession made to any priest in PDL, let alone anywhere else? I know I don't.

The whole religious angle was an exploitative PR exercise imo.

@ryanm wrote:

@aquila wrote:Does anyone think that there was a confession made to any priest in PDL, let alone anywhere else? I know I don't.

 
No. If I’m catholic and I commit a crime and I go to the priest for absolution I must show (and know) that I’m truly sorry for what I’ve done. I must be able to communicate it to the priest and he must be able to communicate the terms of my penance to me. For those reasons possibility of absolution is be remote where there’s a language barrier.
For a crime my penance will most likely entail coming clean with the authorities and in certainty not lying to the public about it or making money from it. The priest may indicate forgiveness but it’s null and void if I don’t stick to the terms of the penance. I will already know the possible terms before I go to confession so it’s a pointless task if I don’t intend carrying the penance out. I think the priest and church were needed for other reasons.

@Richard IV wrote:

@Honeyblade wrote:Only a little addition but my son is an Anglican priest in training
He tells me two things that may or may not be of interest
One according to high Anglican tradition ... Bells & smells but no Pope or immortal Virgin Mary .. Priests in charge  are called father & in churches that survived prior to 1662  they can be called cardinal rectors this is certainly case within city of London ..
He also told me & this I found fascinating anything said under the seal of confessional is sacrosanct but the priest hearing a 'bad 'confession like admission of murder or child abuse rape etc is DUTY bound to pass it on to his superior where it stops being sacrosanct and although he could not reveal source a superior might be able  guide authorities in the persons direction should they wish to or make sure it WASNT  guided in authorities direction
May explain influx of various priests ofcourse only my opinion

Thanks Honeyblade. That doesn`t surprise me.  So it would be Father Pacheco`s Bishop who would decide what to do with such information.

@Nina wrote:

@Richard IV wrote:

@Honeyblade wrote:Only a little addition but my son is an Anglican priest in training
He tells me two things that may or may not be of interest
One according to high Anglican tradition ... Bells & smells but no Pope or immortal Virgin Mary .. Priests in charge  are called father & in churches that survived prior to 1662  they can be called cardinal rectors this is certainly case within city of London ..
He also told me & this I found fascinating anything said under the seal of confessional is sacrosanct but the priest hearing a 'bad 'confession like admission of murder or child abuse rape etc is DUTY bound to pass it on to his superior where it stops being sacrosanct and although he could not reveal source a superior might be able  guide authorities in the persons direction should they wish to or make sure it WASNT  guided in authorities direction
May explain influx of various priests ofcourse only my opinion

Thanks Honeyblade. That doesn`t surprise me.  So it would be Father Pacheco`s Bishop who would decide what to do with such information.

Was it this Bishop who was angry they were given the keys to the church?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/86june14/TVMais_13_06_2014.htm