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Post by Silentscope on 08.10.20 16:42

@Verdi

Depending on the Source of the “Leak” of course...

I wonder if the leaking of Information in order to Identify Brückner and having exposed him to possible Death at the hands of other Prisoners counts as attempted Homicide in the U.K.?

Or just Reckless Reporting?
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Post by Verdi on 09.10.20 0:57

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I haven't the Vaguest idea what you are Talking about.  Nothing NEW there?

It would be Much appreciated if you could at least TRY to make yourself Understood, for the BENEFIT of members and Guest readers alike.

Otherwise YOU are only derailing IMPORTANT threads.

Thank You ....

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Post by Silentscope on 09.10.20 10:48

I do not know how I am to rephrase the above so YOU understand it.

From your Post:

My main worry was that Hewlett, who had terminal throat cancer, would die before anyone took an official statement from him. Then the media would take the line that it was probably him, Madeleine was dead, game over.

Does anyone else not understand that IDENTIFYING CB could lead to him being Killed / EPSTEINED?

Would that be Game over for the McCanns?
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Post by pauloalexandre on 09.10.20 11:22

@Silentscope wrote:I do not know how I am to rephrase the above so YOU understand it.
Am I sensing a little bit of hostility towards the forum's moderator?

Your posts are hard to understand, especially when you do not quote the specific part of the post you are addressing. It would also be nice if you were able to stop capitalizing words when they do not need to be capitalized.

Again, no disrespect to you Silentscope, but I think you oughta take a step back and research the case, before throwing out baseless theories for no good reason.

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Post by Silentscope on 09.10.20 11:33

I will try and get rid of my Germanic grammar, but it is rather stuck in my mind Paulo.

I know Verdi has a difficult job, but I find his lack of understanding difficult to reason. I have seen in my short time here that several previous members have had the same problems. Some have rightly deserved it for being stupid. Some not.

Just because someone does not know as much in four months as you guys who have years of practise, does not make them stupid or your enemy.
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Post by Verdi on 09.10.20 13:36

@Silentscope wrote:I will try and get rid of my Germanic grammar, but it is rather stuck in my mind Paulo.

I know Verdi has a difficult job, but I find his lack of understanding difficult to reason. I have seen in my short time here that several previous members have had the same problems. Some have rightly deserved it for being stupid. Some not.

Just because someone does not know as much in four months as you guys who have years of practise, does not make them stupid or your enemy.
@Silentscope, I have to say, I've been less than impressed by your performance here on CMOMM since you joined just over three months ago.

Sorry but the fact is, you frequently make random meaningless comments which disrupt the flow of discussion - derail the thread.  You have been asked a number of times to cooperate by posting so other members and guest readers can understand your point, which you've ignored. This attitude comes across as antagonistic.

It's got nothing to do with who knows more than another, this is not a competition.  It would however be extremely helpful if you could at least try to research topics before commenting - from my long memory, so much of what you say is internet myth and garden fence gossip which is frankly not welcome here on CMOMM.  No one expects any member to be an authority on every aspect of the case, only a little effort wouldn't go amiss.  Please don't take offence if another member pulls you up on any particular point.

Now, shall we start again and get back on topic .... please?

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Post by Verdi on 16.10.20 1:55

Saturday 12th May 2007 - Madeleine's birthday

After attending a special Mass for her at the church early in the evening we were visited in the apartment by Cat, Madeleine’s nanny at Mini Club.

She had some news for us: she and some of her colleagues were being sent to another Mark Warner resort in Greece. None of them wanted to leave, and to this day we do not fully understand this decision. We think it might have been made for logistical reasons – after Madeleine’s abduction, guests with bookings at the Ocean Club for the next few weeks were being offered alternative destinations, and perhaps the company needed to adjust their staffing levels accordingly. But from our point of view, it meant the removal of key witnesses from Praia da Luz.

Having spent much of the previous four days cooped up, first with the police and then with the lawyers, by the Sunday afternoon Gerry and I felt the need to escape into the open air. We decided to go for a walk along the beach. Perhaps ‘escape’ isn’t the right word, since we were soon tailed by a posse of journalists, and there could be little escape in any case from the hell engulfing us. Thankfully, we were left alone when we reached the shore, and were able to stroll along the sand in relative solitude.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN
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Considering Madeleine McCann was said to have disappeared on the night of 3rd May 2007, why would the childcare worker Catriona Baker, or any other childcare worker be considered key witnesses by Gerry and Kate McCann. According to their version of the truth, Catriona Baker looked after Madeleine during the day - not the nigh.

Or did she?

Then why only nine days after Madeleine's reported disappearance, on her birthday, would the McCanns be meeting with lawyers?




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Post by Verdi on 18.10.20 0:49

FRIDAY 4 MAY

Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.

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Post by Verdi on 20.11.20 12:09

Portuguese newspaper Tal e Qual under the headline: ‘PJ BELIEVE PARENTS KILLED MADDIE’.

I heard that my mum had got wind of the Tal e Qual story and the rumours it had prompted, I phoned her. She was so distraught she could hardly get a word out. I texted DCS Bob Small, saying how disappointed I was that the police were claiming Madeleine was dead, without anyevidence, and how unsupported we had felt recently.

As our main liaison with the British police, Bob was not privy to the investigation details. This was for our protection, he told us, as sharing knowledge we would otherwise not have had could potentially compromise us. In the light of the volume of information being released into the public domain by police sources via the media, this seems farcical now. It did emerge, however, that Bob had concerns of his own. He explained that the British police regarded the use of sniffer dogs as intelligence rather than evidence, and he was perplexed at the apparent fixation of the PJ on the idea that Madeleine had died in the apartment. He told Gerry he thought they’d get a shock when the forensic results came back.

The next day Gerry rang Ken Jones, head of ACPO, the Association of Chief Police Officers. He, too, was beginning to despair of the investigation and the way it was being handled. It was good to know we weren’t alone, and that we weren’t going totally mad, but why wouldn’t anyone speak out about this? Many people in top positions were saying the right things to us privately but it seemed nobody could – or would – do anything about it. If someone had stood up and said, ‘Stop! This is all wrong!’ things could have been very different.

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Post by Verdi on 20.11.20 12:30

No Stone Unturned

Sheree [Dodd] joined us on 15 May and got down to work straight away.

By this time we were using one of the apartments loaned to us by Mark Warner as an office (immediately nicknamed ‘Mission Control’ by the family) and it was fast becoming a hive of activity. Also helping out at that time were my good friend Lynda, who used to keep a sisterly eye on me playing in our road in Huyton when I was four and she was ten, and Father Paul, aka Seddo, an important figure in our family life. It meant a lot to me to have him there, providing spiritual support as well as an extra pair of hands.

These encounters with the press went well – all except for the introduction of two little words. Sheree had thought ‘Team McCann’ was quite punchy and suggested a united, determined and resourceful group, which is what we were.



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Post by Verdi on 22.12.20 14:54

We have no doubt that M3 made significant strides, but unfortunately, in mid-December, one of their senior investigators gave an overly optimistic interview to the media. He implied that the team were close to finding Madeleine and declared that he hoped she would be home by Christmas.

Gerry and I did not pay much heed to these bullish assertions. While we believed they’d been made in an attempt to cast the search in a positive light, we knew that such public declarations would not be helpful.

Credibility is so important.

That glitch apart, M3 worked very hard for us and, just for the record, their fees were very low: most of the money they were paid was for verified expenses. Although we went on to employ new teams, we maintain good relations with M3 today. We had the sense that they genuinely cared about Madeleine’s fate, something that, sadly, we have found we cannot take for granted.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN
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Before the week is out, I fully expect to see the tabloid headlines covered in tales of woe.

bn

More heartache for Kate and Gerry

Beacuse of COVID-19, the poor parents of the missing toddler - abducted from her bed when on holiday in Portugal in May 2007, can't hold a church service, or a congregation around the Roafley War Memorial. Instead they will be forced to lock themselves away, with no family or friend contact for the duration of the festive season.

A double blow to Kate and Gerry, having to face another lonely Christmas without the girl.

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Post by Verdi on 17.01.21 1:00

We knew nothing about private investigators. As I’ve said, my only concept of private eyes came from freewheeling-detective-cracks-the-case-again shows on the telly, and I imagine the same went for most of the friends who’d suggested them. We pictured a smart, intuitive lone operator, scornful of authority, who somehow always manages to see what everyone else has missed and never fails to get his man.

Of course, the real world is very different. Not that I’m saying real-life private detectives are not smart and intuitive, but most of those we’ve come across operate within companies, ranging from large international firms to smaller ‘in-house’ teams, and most of their work is not quite as simple as it appears on the TV. A lot of it is conducted on behalf of corporate businesses rather than individuals, and probably involves more time on the phone or at the computer than jumping around tailing suspicious characters or physically searching for clues. Private investigators are constrained by many limitations. Unlike the police, they have no authority to question anyone who does not wish to speak to them, they are not legally allowed to search property without the owner’s consent and they do not generally have the same access as the police to resources like criminal records or car registration databases.

Venturing into unfamiliar territory of any sort is never easy, and exploring the field of private investigation has been a total minefield for us. We were approached by many firms and individuals in several countries, all claiming to have the relevant expertise. Where do you start? How do you choose? Who do you trust?

Over the course of four years, we’ve employed several different investigation teams of various sizes and structures. While each of these teams has been working on the case we have continued to review our progress and explore new strategies and options. When we have taken on a new firm or person it is not necessarily because we have been dissatisfied with the work of the existing or previous team. It is simply that lines of inquiry can hit a brick wall, and it is difficult for investigators to maintain the same level of motivation over a long period if results are not forthcoming. Different people have different ideas and often someone with something extra to bring to the search will come along. When it seems the investigation has stalled or needs a fresh impetus, we have responded by changing or adding to the team to keep the search moving forward. It must be said, though, that the time and energy it takes to brief a new team is immense. Just bringing them up to speed is an exhausting and emotional process.

Our first investigators, the Spanish company Método 3, began working for us in October. With private investigations technically illegal in Portugal, we felt the closest we could get would be a firm from somewhere on the Iberian Peninsula, which would have the advantage of familiarity with local systems, culture and geography and the best network of contacts in the region. M3 also had links to the Spanish police, who, in turn, had good connections with the Portuguese police.

We assembled all the source material we could for the investigators, passing on my detailed chronology of events and the research we were compiling, making endless lists of potential witnesses – some of whom we knew the police had interviewed, many more we suspected they had not – and reported sightings of little girls who could have been Madeleine. As a result of the huge publicity the case had been given, the police and press had been overwhelmed by such reports from the outset. Sometimes ‘Madeleine’ has been seen in different countries, thousands of miles apart, on the same day. These tip-offs needed to be sifted and any credible information followed up.

We have no doubt that M3 made significant strides, but unfortunately, in mid-December, one of their senior investigators gave an overly optimistic interview to the media. He implied that the team were close to finding Madeleine and declared that he hoped she would be home by Christmas. Gerry and I did not pay much heed to these bullish assertions. While we believed they’d been made in an attempt to cast the search in a positive light, we knew that such public declarations would not be helpful. Credibility is so important. That glitch apart, M3 worked very hard for us and, just for the record, their fees were very low: most of the money they were paid was for verified expenses. Although we went on to employ new teams, we maintain good relations with M3 today. We had the sense that they genuinely cared about Madeleine’s fate, something that, sadly, we have found we cannot take for granted.

We had one particularly bad experience with a man named Kevin Halligen (or Richard, as we knew him). Halligen was the CEO of a private-investigation firm called Oakley International which was hired by Madeleine’s Fund for six months from the end of March 2008. Oakley’s proposal and overall strategy were streets ahead of all the others we’d considered and the company came highly recommended. As the sums of money involved were pretty hefty, we agreed that our contract with them would be split into three phases with a break clause at the end of each phase. This gave us an opportunity to terminate the contract at any of these points if we wished to do so without incurring financial penalties. An independent consultant was also employed by the fund to liaise with Oakley and oversee the work they were doing.

The first and second phases of the contract ran fairly smoothly. Oakley had put in place systems to gather, collate, prioritize and follow up the information coming in as a result of appeals Gerry and I made around the first anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction. There is little doubt that at that stage progress was being made.

During the third phase, however, we began to have concerns. Feedback appeared to be less forthcoming and contact with certain members of the Oakley team dropped off. At first we couldn’t be sure whether this was a manifestation of the inevitable waning motivation I’ve mentioned or of a more troubling problem. Rumours about Halligen prompted us to make inquiries before we decided whether or not we should extend our contract with Oakley. To cut a long story short, we chose not to do so. The termination of the contract, in September 2008, was quite acrimonious, and unfortunately, that was not the end of it.

Several months later, one of the investigators subcontracted by Oakley contacted us to demand payment for his services. We had already settled Oakley’s bill for this work months before, but apparently the company had not paid him. He was not the only one. Over time several more unpaid subcontractors came to light. We were upset that, although a lot of hard work had been done on Madeleine’s behalf, it seemed money provided by her fund might not ever have reached the people who had earned it.

In November 2009 we heard that Halligen had been arrested on suspicion of fraud after a discrepancy in a hotel bill. He is currently on remand in Belmarsh prison, fighting extradition to the USA in connection with money-laundering and wire-fraud charges, all of which he denies.

For the most part, though, our experiences with independent investigators have been good. Our current tried and trusted team has more or less been in place, with a few modifications, since October 2008. It is spearheaded by a former police officer, with input from strategy advisers and specialists in various fields as required. This enables us to recruit the best-qualified people available to handle particular tasks when they arise, and it’s a system with which we have made encouraging progress.

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