'The Last Photo': The key questions

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I have always said that markers 7 to 12, look like someone had been pinned to the wall to restrain them.

where are the makers 7 and 12? how does it look like someone pinned to a wall?????

Can you not read the numbers on the left hand wall, which look quite symmetrical?

NO ONE BUT NO ONE WHO STEALS A WALLET WOULD RETURN MONEY OF ANY CURRENCY.....so what were the histrionics really all about? There was according to Gerry a photograph of Madeleine in a church in his wallet...this photograph has never been shown to the public unless the McCanns are holding it back for the simple reason the photograph is of Madeleine inside the church in PDL...the church McCann claimed he did not know where it was the night May 3rd.

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Did Pacheco witness M when they took the lolita photo was it taken inside the church in PDL or is tis a photo never seen before

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The photograph ,was it released by the McCanns to prove a point that a child can be substituted for another right under everyones nose?The creche records along with their signatures need to be looked at by forensics, Kate signed her name one day as Kate Healy and not her usual Kate McCann.
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ROSA wrote:NO ONE BUT NO ONE WHO STEALS A WALLET WOULD RETURN MONEY OF ANY CURRENCY.....so what were the histrionics really all about? There was according to Gerry a photograph of Madeleine in a church in his wallet...this photograph has never been shown to the public unless the McCanns are holding it back for the simple reason the photograph is of Madeleine inside the church in PDL...the church McCann claimed he did not know where it was the night May 3rd.

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Did Pacheco witness M when they took the lolita photo was it taken inside the church in PDL or is tis a photo never seen before

Just a few points of concern.

Why did the Mccanns take a photo of her in a church at all since they objected on moral grounds to the media being in the one in PDL?

An surely whoever "stole" the wallet would know the story and would be keen to sell the photos if they weren't already in the public domain, also of course there would be potential copies of the photographs either digitally or with negatives?
"As well as cash and cards, it contained his three favourite pictures of four-year-old Madeleine. They have never been seen in public and there are no copies."

Why hasn't the man who Gerry saved come forward?

As mentioned by ROSA before why did the "thief" leave any money and why not take the credit cards as well as they can be sold on to another crook?

Just another PR stunt in my opinion.


All very fishy.

Kate chooses what she wants the public to see and wants to keep us all blind no photos of maddie in luz but sick kate the public can LOOK in the case files at the photos of M in luz
kate remember? the last photo? vip?
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I don't see any problem with any of these images. I am sure that they are the same girl, taken over time and in different lighting. The resemblance to Kate, who Madeleine did resemble, is quite clear to me.

That is good for you
but for me i beleive M died on the 28th i have to ask who is the girl in the PDL photos

Rosa, the little girl sitting on the ground was most likely Jane Tanner's daughter - nobody from the group has ever claimed it was Amelie, and the families and children were at the play area together.

Hello to Hilary. I think that the identity of this child was under discussion in the creche enquiry topic yesterday and it was thought not to be E**a O'Brien (daughter of Jane Tanner). I believe that Gerry has stated that all three children were his but, unless Amelie was wearing a dark wig, it couldn't have been her!

Hilary wrote:Rosa, the little girl sitting on the ground was most likely Jane Tanner's daughter - nobody from the group has ever claimed it was Amelie, and the families and children were at the play area together.

Hilary
i think i read somewhere that the playground photo is a photo of Gerry and the 3 kids all McCanns i will try to find it because yes its a lie Amelie was white blonde that little girl could be Janes child or another from the group

From: tin-lizzy Sent: 4/8/2008 3:51 AM
Perhaps he kept it quiet to avoid association.

For just 3 days after arriving back in Praia da Luz, from this trip back to the UK to collect photographs and videos, the 'last photograph' of Madeleine suddenly appeared - 21 days after Madeleine had been reported missing. (May 24, 2007 The last family picture of Madeleine McCann The Times)

We know that Alex Woolfall sat with the McCanns on May 5th and went through the images on their digital camera to find good pictures of Madeleine for publication.

The Times reported: 'The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. "I said to Kate, 'Let’s try to identify pictures where her face is visible'. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

"They were trying to do two things at once: one, emotionally deal with what was actually, really happening to them; two, operate in some sort of logical way to help get her back." Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.'

It is surely extraordinary that the 'last photograph' of Madeleine, showing her full face, should not have been chosen for release at that time. Even if the photograph had been grainy and indistinct, it's significance to the investigation, as the last 'living' picture of Madeleine, cannot be overstated.

That is, unless it wasn't there.

Just 4 days after the 'last photograph' was released, mobile phone video footage was produced allegedly showing Madeleine and the family setting off on their holiday - one showing them all on the shuttle bus and the other showing Madeleine stumbling on the steps as she boards the plane.
(Mobile phone footage of Madeleine boarding the plane)
(Mobile phone footage of bus trip)

So, given the significant time these images had suddenly appeared, could it really be possible that these were actually 'old' images, collected by Gerry on his trip home and subsequently falsely presented as being of the current holiday? If they were, then it would have a massive impact on the investigation because it would destroy the photographic evidence that Madeleine was still alive at 2:29pm on May 3rd.

With that 'evidence' gone, there are no independent witnesses to Madeleine being alive on May 3rd - beyond the apparent statement of Charlotte Pennington, who has already changed her story once before. (pagina gewijd aan Pennington)

Miss Pennington, speaking originally to dispel the story that there was a missing 6 or 7 hours leading up to Madeleine's disappearance, said: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents. "It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all."

Yet, speaking on the Channel 4 Dispatches documentary 'Searching For Madeleine', the following month, she said:

"On May the third, it was just Madeleine I was reading a story to. I later saw them around lunchtime. That's the last time I saw them together as a family." It should also be remembered that Charlotte Pennington was not Madeleine's nanny. That was Catriona Baker, who has refused to comment on the investigation, saying: 'I don't want to go through it again.'

We know Bridget O'Donnell, Jeremy Wilkins partner, was at the tennis courts that day. She writes: 'Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty.' So, she cannot confirm that Madeleine was there.
(My months with Madeleine The Guardian)

That only leaves one person to positively confirm that Madeleine was alive that day - the McCanns friend, David Payne. It is claimed that Mr Payne was asked by Gerry McCann to pop by and look in on Kate at the apartment, whilst Gerry was on the tennis courts. (genoemd o.a. in de BBC-docu)

David Payne has said nothing publicly to confirm or deny this. In fact, he has said virtually nothing throughout the investigation but has been quoted by Portuguese newspaper, Sol, as saying: "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else's business."

But is there is a fatal flaw in this line of thought? The 'last photograph' clearly shows Gerry, Amelie and Madeleine sat around the kiddie's pool in the Ocean Club. How could Gerry have collected that photograph from home if this was the first time they had holidayed at the resort?

But was it their first time? The Sunday Times doesn't seem to think so. They printed on 13 May 2007 that: 'The McCanns are believed to have stayed once before in Praia da Luz and had returned because they considered it a safe resort.'

In the MSNBC documentary, Richard Gaisford said, when talking of Praia da Luz: "It's a very warm welcoming friendly place. And it was a place the McCanns knew well. They'd been to the resort before." (MSNBC Missing Madeleine en op 3arguidoforum)

So, is the 'last photograph' not a forgery, as has been widely speculated, but a simple fraud?

Did Gerry go home to collect photographs/videos from a previous trip in order to deceive the Policia Judiciaria into believing the photographs were from the current trip. More importantly, that Madeleine was alive and well at that particular time on that particular day?

Only the McCanns and their close family can answer that question.

But, if it should be the case, then it would appear to imply that no photographic evidence exists of Madeleine that day - despite Bridget O'Donnell stating that the children were all running around the tennis courts being photographed by their parents. The need to deceive suggests there is something to cover up. The obvious conclusion being that Madeleine was not there to be photographed.

That is a very disturbing thought.

It would be interesting to know whether Alex Woolfall is one of the people the Policia Judiciaria intends talking to when they arrive in the UK to begin their questioning. If Mr Woolfall confirms the 'last photograph' was not on the digital camera he examined in Praia da Luz on 5th May, then, it would appear, the McCanns will have an awful lot of explaining

If it is true that the McCanns had been to PDL before May 2007 it reinforces my belief that this photo was taken on a previous visit; the ages of the children and the apparent heat suggest somewhere around August 2006.

Marian wrote:If it is true that the McCanns had been to PDL before May 2007 it reinforces my belief that this photo was taken on a previous visit; the ages of the children and the apparent heat suggest somewhere around August 2006.

Per the truthful book

P.42 where she discusses how this holiday came about 'I'd never been to Portugal, although Gerry had been there on a couple of golfing trips a few years before..@

Thanks for that quote Pauline. It will be very interesting to see if any proof of a previous visit ever comes to light as that would mean - and I'm shaking as I type this - that the "truthful" book is not as honest as it appears!!

i hope kate books of lies puts her were she belongs

Marian wrote:If it is true that the McCanns had been to PDL before May 2007 it reinforces my belief that this photo was taken on a previous visit; the ages of the children and the apparent heat suggest somewhere around August 2006.

However would that not make Madeleine older than she was?

Hello Dr Evil: for some reason I didn't spot your posting of 5th July until now. I'm not quite sure what you mean - apologies if I'm being dense. I have always thought that Madeleine in the poolside photo looks younger than a nearly four year old. However, if the photo was taken the year before (when she wasn't much over three) that would explain it.

It would be on their passport if they had been to Portugal before..it gets stamped.

Hello Kitti. Somehow I don't think the McCanns will willingly hand over their passports for inspection! In Kate's book she says that Gerry went to Portugal some years before to play golf; a few newspaper reports said that it wasn't their first trip to PDL as a family
but as yet there doesn't seem to be any proof of that.

marian -I actually think its unlikely they had been to Portugal before as a family.

For one thing there's no reason to lie about it. Why not say we decided to join the holiday suggested by the Paynes because we had been to Portugal before and we all loved it?

And given that the twins were only two, the only time they could realistically have gone to Portugal for a family holiday was summer 2006. the twins were born feb 2005 and the McCanns would hardly take a foreign holiday break summer 2005 with 2 babies and 2 year old madeleine. I wouldn't myself.

Kitti wrote:It would be on their passport if they had been to Portugal before..it gets stamped.

I flew from Portugal to the UK a couple of months ago and flew back and didn't get my passport stamped. I've also been to Spain and back to the UK a couple or three times since 2001 and never once had my passport stamed.

The Shelfstacker wrote:Slightly away from the original topic of this thread, but I found this JPEG in an email I was sent some months ago. Not spam, I hasten to add, sent by a colleague as a round robin/ chain. The picture was entitled "Go Figure". Does anyone know where the pictures in the montage come from? Obviously one of them features on the home page of this site but what about the others?

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YUK! All four of them are paedo candy IMO. The McC's betray themselves in so many ways. But the blue eyeshadow photo was a BIG mistake and the evolving excuse: raided my make-up box changed in the book to: a professional beautician who was visiting did it...
Has anybody noticed the thick walls under her eyes, it's not normal in most children. Maddie has them in most photos, except a few, like the poster, with the eye. Now they've said she didn't have a coloboma and it was a tiny spot. Another BIG mistake, on record, keep talking!