Re: CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 2 DISCUSSION**** including CRIMEWATCH UPDATE (for what it was worth)

by ultimaThule 29.11.13 4:29

GrizzleyBear wrote:http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourbeeb/david-elstein/crimewatch-dupers-or-duped
First time poster - I hope I have done this correctly.

Grizzley, and thank you for posting a link to an informative article.

The comments section makes for particularly interesting reading and indicates that the McCanns' 'internet monitors' are most probably racking up more overtime than Andy Redwood and his team:biggrin:

by watendlath 29.11.13 5:18

Portia wrote:Intro: KH opening door to clearly very messed up bed

Whoosh

Window open and shutters up, says she;

Knew straight away Madeleine had been taken;

That bit always reminds me of a stage version of Peter Pan I saw when I was a child.
Mrs Darling comes into the room and finds the windows open, the curtains blowing and her three children missing.

I wonder if Kate ever saw Peter Pan.

by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED 29.11.13 5:33

PeterMac wrote:Poor bastard.
He is trapped.
CW have to have him on the programme
He CANNOT say what is going on.

Why are his senior officers leaving him to do this. The Det Supt and D Ch Supt could go on and give an air of ultimate gravitas
but they have chosen not to.
If I had ever been in that position I would not have let my DI and DCI go on air "alone".
I would have been with them, even if I did not say anything

Mercifully he said only three things, which are of absolutely no importance, nor of any evidential value, whatsoever.

As a retired Super it must be a rhetorical question as to why his senior officers are leaving it to REDWOOD. REDWOOD has been told the outcome of the 'investigation'.

by Guest 29.11.13 8:00

MarleneP wrote:I see it this way: at 27.11. was a judgment announced in Lisbon. To prevent possible bad news, two information were used:

MET seeks collaboration with PJ
Crime Watch brings explosive News

= Two false reports

I'm afraid this did occur to me, too. Especially as the first McCann Crimewatch show - after years of Scotland Yard working on the case - coincided exactly with the time the McCanns libel evidence finished and the defence's was about to start. If we get any other official McCann-related announcements around 7 January it won't be a very encouraging sign.

by russiandoll 29.11.13 9:25

watendlath wrote:
Portia wrote:Intro: KH opening door to clearly very messed up bed

Whoosh

Window open and shutters up, says she;

Knew straight away Madeleine had been taken;
That bit always reminds me of a stage version of Peter Pan I saw when I was a child.
Mrs Darling comes into the room and finds the windows open, the curtains blowing and her three children missing.

I wonder if Kate ever saw Peter Pan.

Not sure where but I posted a rather sarcastic post on the forum re Maddie being in Neverland with PP some time ago. I was so fed up reading all the lies and wading through the smoke and mirrors.

See about 2 mins into this video, I could not copy a still, sorry .

https://youtu.be/kLKFJSDHIlA

by Guest 29.11.13 9:30

Daisy wrote:Just nicked these from elsewhere. For those that missed it.

Crime Watch updates. (the relevant bits)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2ARCIU_r4A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnW3H7-DFOA

It's good to know I've been utterly vindicated in my decision to watch "Not Going Out" on Dave instead.

by Tangled Web 29.11.13 10:49

I found it encouraging that the word 'abduction' wasn't used. They're definitely using 'disappearance' instead so that's progress? It sounds promising that they want to 'find out what happened to Madeleine' so again, moving away from the abduction story. I also liked the way AR emphatically thanked the public (probably for solving the case for him!).

I, too, was mesmerised with the non-blinking. I was purposely watching his eyes to see if he looked to the left! Maybe they'd been stitched open so as not to give anything away!

I'm new though and have only obsessed over this for 6 weeks (solidly!) but that's my take anyway smilie

It's interesting to see how others read into it.

by **Tony Bennett** 29.11.13 10:53

ChippyM wrote:
Someone climbing into a house to snatch a 4 year old is incredibly rare.

So rare, ChippyM, that, actually, it has never happened before - anywhere.

Can you give me even one example?

by Guest 29.11.13 11:00

Tony Bennett wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
Someone climbing into a house to snatch a 4 year old is incredibly rare.
So rare, ChippyM, that, actually, it has never happened before - anywhere.

Can you give me even one example?

This is the only one remotely similar I'm personally aware of. It was big news in these parts at the time. An acquaintance of mine was actually named to police as the perpetrator (completely irrationally, although he had to be formally discounted by a DNA sample.)

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/dec/29/childprotection.society

by Guest 29.11.13 11:39

Another 3 year old Leoni Keating was abducted from a caravan in 1985 - so clearly some similarity there.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/leoni_s_evil_killer_must_serve_30_years_1_476895

The media was universal if I recall correctly in its condemnation of her mother who had left her alone to go out drinking.

I seemed to be the only one who felt sorry for her - as I would in any other case which was clear cut about what happened.

by The Rooster 29.11.13 13:03

The McCann woman looks dreadful. In fact she looks ill. Her appearance tells me sufficiently what is going on behind the scenes. She'll be hoping the reaper calls before Holloway beckons.

by stillsloppingout 29.11.13 14:41

The Rooster wrote:The McCann woman looks dreadful. In fact she looks ill. Her appearance tells me sufficiently what is going on behind the scenes. She'll be hoping the reaper calls before Holloway beckons.

Correct .

She is like an actor who when the scene is over and they have exited stage left , then having to return to the real world ,and the continuing nightmare all of her making . The double stress of the on stage lie , coupled with the real world realisation , must be unbearable .

Gerry's plan must have seemed like a good idea at the time , but it must be killing her . She is IMO mad, but she is also a mother , no wonder she looks like shi@.

Gerry on the other hand is still so far up his own ass , desperate to be the next health minister / etc . he probably now puts it down as a minor inconvenience .

by Woburn_exile 29.11.13 14:46

stillsloppingout wrote:
The Rooster wrote:The McCann woman looks dreadful. In fact she looks ill. Her appearance tells me sufficiently what is going on behind the scenes. She'll be hoping the reaper calls before Holloway beckons.
Correct .

She is like an actor who when the scene is over and they have exited stage left , then having to return to the real world ,and the continuing nightmare all of her making . The double stress of the on stage lie , coupled with the real world realisation , must be unbearable .

Gerry's plan must have seemed like a good idea at the time , but it must be killing her . She is IMO mad, but she is also a mother , no wonder she looks like shi@.

Gerry on the other hand is still so far up his own ass , desperate to be the next health minister / etc . he probably now puts it down as a minor inconvenience .

Nail on the head. 10 hours and 3 questions will crack her.

by MrsC 29.11.13 14:57

Woburn_exile wrote:
The McCann woman looks dreadful. In fact she looks ill. Her appearance tells me sufficiently what is going on behind Nail on the head. 10 hours and 3 questions will crack her.

I think I've seen you write this before and am interested to know what would the three questions be? thinking

by **Tony Bennett** 29.11.13 15:07

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
Someone climbing into a house to snatch a 4 year old is incredibly rare.
So rare, ChippyM, that, actually, it has never happened before - anywhere.

Can you give me even one example?
This is the only one remotely similar I'm personally aware of. It was big news in these parts at the time. An acquaintance of mine was actually named to police as the perpetrator (completely irrationally, although he had to be formally discounted by a DNA sample.)

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/dec/29/childprotection.society

Thank you CR, BUT this was no 'stranger abduction'. The perpetrator was known to the mother and the mother had allowed him access. These facts were not fully brought out in the press coverage. So...NOT AT ALL similar to the claims made about Madeleine McCann's disappearance

by Guest 29.11.13 15:07

Thanks MarleneP, putting it here as this is the thread about Crimewatch update, although we seem to have had another one started.

MarleneP wrote:Transcript BBC Crimewatch: Madeleine McCann update

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

by The Rooster 29.11.13 15:14

Hey Woburn Exile ol pal. What are the 3 questions? Slopping out you're right about deleted by Admin - please be careful about language used Gerry. Gerry's so clever he pulled the wool over all our eyes. Ask the dogs Sandra! When McCann goes down he'll be very popular with a lot of the lads.

by **Tony Bennett** 29.11.13 15:15

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Another 3 year old Leoni Keating was abducted from a caravan in 1985 - so clearly some similarity there.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/leoni_s_evil_killer_must_serve_30_years_1_476895

The media was universal if I recall correctly in its condemnation of her mother who had left her alone to go out drinking.

I seemed to be the only one who felt sorry for her - as I would in any other case which was clear cut about what happened.

Thank you. I was not aware of this.

There was also a case of a 9-year-old girl snatched from a tent in a large garden in North Wales, also a long time ago, but neither that case nor Clay Regazzoni's case come close to that of what allegedly happened to Madeleine.

The case of Leoni Keating certainly does, though.

It was 28 years ago

by The Rooster 29.11.13 15:23

Sorry Admin it's just I get so mad when referencing that pr**k Gerry. I will curb my spleen in future. I'm just a Wiley old bird.

by Guest 29.11.13 16:02

watendlath wrote:
Portia wrote:Intro: KH opening door to clearly very messed up bed

Whoosh

Window open and shutters up, says she;

Knew straight away Madeleine had been taken;
That bit always reminds me of a stage version of Peter Pan I saw when I was a child.
Mrs Darling comes into the room and finds the windows open, the curtains blowing and her three children missing.

I wonder if Kate ever saw Peter Pan.

I think she has been watching too many murder she wrote on tv.

by Lance De Boils 29.11.13 16:05

In the clip of K&G speaking after the German CW-style prog, I was actually struck by how excited K was. She was almost buzzing - as though she was a stage actress after the first night of a show.

On previous occasions, Gerry has also appeared very excited. In that clip, he was trying not to, imo.

I think they actually enjoy the adrenaline rush, the cameras, performing for the public. They seem to get off on it.

by Guest 29.11.13 16:11

Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Another 3 year old Leoni Keating was abducted from a caravan in 1985 - so clearly some similarity there.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/leoni_s_evil_killer_must_serve_30_years_1_476895

The media was universal if I recall correctly in its condemnation of her mother who had left her alone to go out drinking.

I seemed to be the only one who felt sorry for her - as I would in any other case which was clear cut about what happened.
Thank you. I was not aware of this.

There was also a case of a 9-year-old girl snatched from a tent in a large garden in North Wales, also a long time ago, but neither that case nor Clay Regazzoni's case come close to that of what allegedly happened to Madeleine.

The case of Leoni Keating certainly does, though.

It was 28 years ago

The principle difference appears to be that Leoni Keating's body was found.

by Guest 29.11.13 16:13

melisande wrote:

I think she has been watching too many murder she wrote on tv.

There's no such thing as too much Murder She Wrote.

by Guest 29.11.13 16:14

Lance De Boils wrote:In the clip of K&G speaking after the German CW-style prog, I was actually struck by how excited K was. She was almost buzzing - as though she was a stage actress after the first night of a show.

On previous occasions, Gerry has also appeared very excited. In that clip, he was trying not to, imo.

I think they actually enjoy the adrenaline rush, the cameras, performing for the public. They seem to get off on it.

Odd you mention that

I never cease to be amazed by her always fondling him in full view of all and sundry, and both of them pretending not to notice what they're doing. It makes you shudder, filled with unease at the spectacle and the sheer brazenness of it

by Guest 29.11.13 16:22

This is a link to the Sophie Hook case which has been mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sophie_Hook

Another one that is truly every parent's nightmare.

I did wonder about the child abducted from the bath - how did a stranger know she was there to be able to take her?

So it was someone known to the family?

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

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