Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

[Clouseau]

perhaps its just me but it looked like Redwood had been on the scrumpy ....the glazed eyes and total lack of blinking

[sharonl]

perhaps its just me but it looked like Redwood had been on the scrumpy ....the glazed eyes and total lack of blinking

Perks? If our MPs can have luxury hotels, glitzy parties and porn movies why cant our cops have a drop of scrumpy?

[Woofer]

Be careful of commentators acting naive and fishing for reactions that could be damning. Remember how TB was gulled by someone impersonating an interested party.

[Ribisl]

Having a quiet reflection 24 hours after the worst missed penalty in history, my only comment tonight is Baldrick would have come up with a better spin than what BBC, SY, TM et al managed to cobble together on prime time TV. It was such a blatant insult to our intelligence, as well as to the PJ, GA, the dogs, I feel quite numb.

[mrscee]

Some idiot on the phone in now talking about micro-chipping children!!

What was this person saying Candyfloss? That the children should be microchipped?
The most disturbing bit of the panorama 'show' for me was the erroneous reference to Dna dogs. This is not just an error - any decent sub editor would pick this up. It was beyond spin - it was a deliberate attempt to mislead which will have succeeded. The Bbc are Imho just the puppet of those that pull the strings. All this programme has done is make me worry more about this case - whatever is being covered up must be horrifying for all this effort and resources which has been thrown at it. Makes me very sad - for Madeleine and for my own children and all the other children who are going to grow up being told what to think and believe. Horrible and chilling. Goodnight all you good people out there. The desire for the truth should still be held up even if some just want to trample it into the dirt.

[monkey mind]

Fact.
On any given murder enquiry - or review for that matter - tasks are 'actioned out', and an 'action' means exactly that an action to be done, to be investigated by a DC or DS who is the legman. A good legman or good group of legmen wil solve a case despite the direction a SIO may want to take it.! He has the ultimate say, but ultimately relies entirely on the quality, diligence and intuition of the men carrying out the actions. His arrogance or lack thereof may tell him otherwise, but it is so. He therefore is in a position to, if so desired or as a result of natural incompetence, to confound any investigation

So,, an action, is a line of enquiry. Nothing more. From that tendril other threads grow.

When the line of enquiry or action is complete it is marked as such and no further actions will be generated from that specific thread unless new info comes to light. The thread is closed and the web becomes smaller.

Any given murder enquiry, if handled proficiently and competently, can and will generate thousands of actions, most of them both pointless and fruitless, but often necessary if only as a shield against later defense.

So is an 'action' a 'new lead'?? Are say 195 outstanding, unresolved actions 'new leads'? If so, is that normal?? That's the big question eh?

You could argue it is, but I should prefer to say such a comparison is utter bollox.

One could equally argue that if an action is a new lead, then it's about time the troops got their finger out and reduced some of these 195 outstanding enquiries.

They can't all be pointing in the right direction eh?

Either that, or sack the SIO for all is now out of hand. It is not at all possible to be remotely in command of such a situation with so many 'new leads'. It is not. So many chickens without heads. It (195) is a statement designed to create confidence in the majority but is a signal of incompetence or worse to others. In reality, after one year, lemmings with no cliff.
Or simply a pretty number designed to paint a picture of diligence, authority and command?? Or perhaps, just perhaps a normal amount of outstanding actions??

Or *new leads*?

You decide.

[Guest]

Tomorrows front pages not making a big thing of Portuguese AG saying no to the re-opening,

[Guest]

New blog from Martin Brunt.........



New Madeleine Leads Slammed As 'Speculation'


Martin Brunt
April 26, 2012 8:39 PM



After the positive thrust of Scotland Yard's ongoing review of the Madeleine McCann case comes a damning statement from the Portuguese Attorney-General.

The Yard said it had found 195 leads worth following up - mostly from the abandoned Portuguese inquiry - and urged the Lisbon judiciary to reopen the case.

But Portugal's legal chief says: "the case will only be reopened if there are credible and relevant new facts, not mere hypotheses and speculation.

Ouch!

A new Portuguese government was said to be more willing than the last to consider reopening the investigation, given the widespread criticism of the original and failed inquiry.

Even my old friend Amaral, fired for criticising the Brits, admitted this week that he could have done better when he headed the first investigation.

http://blogs.news.sky.com/lifeofcrime/Post:d522ca70-eca5-49e2-9013-0aadd9f7dd09

[Guest]

Brunty at it again saying Mr Amaral was fired. As far as I know Mr Amaral wasn't fired, he was moved, then retired to write the book to put his side of the case.

[Blimunda]

Brunty at it again saying Mr Amaral was fired. As far as I know Mr Amaral wasn't fired, he was moved, then retired to write the book to put his side of the case.

Exactly.

[Liz Eagles]

New blog from Martin Brunt.........



New Madeleine Leads Slammed As 'Speculation'


Martin Brunt
April 26, 2012 8:39 PM



After the positive thrust of Scotland Yard's ongoing review of the Madeleine McCann case comes a damning statement from the Portuguese Attorney-General.

The Yard said it had found 195 leads worth following up - mostly from the abandoned Portuguese inquiry - and urged the Lisbon judiciary to reopen the case.

But Portugal's legal chief says: "the case will only be reopened if there are credible and relevant new facts, not mere hypotheses and speculation.

Ouch!

A new Portuguese government was said to be more willing than the last to consider reopening the investigation, given the widespread criticism of the original and failed inquiry.

Even my old friend Amaral, fired for criticising the Brits, admitted this week that he could have done better when he headed the first investigation.

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apart from the fact I think this is a load of old codswallop I love the fact that it has dismissed the caseloads of files taken from Metodo3. I needed a laugh after the Mcnanorama show and bless Blunt he's provided it.

[Woofer]

So pleased the Porto PJ are not caving in, but can`t you just see where this is going -

"Oh those nasty Portuguese won`t even open the investigation; oh those poor McCanns, how could Portugal be so nasty to them"

[Guest]

Here is the statement from SY in response to the AG saying he won't re-open the case...

Scotland Yard released a statement in response that said: "We still do believe there are matters which need to be considered and we are currently seeking a more formal way of addressing this."

However, Mr Do Carmo said the Portuguese police had received "no formal request for the reopening of the inquiry".

Sky reporter Martin Brunt said the attorney-general's statement effectively "trashed what Scotland Yard was saying".

"It's just developing into a bit of a war of words," he said.


http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16216703



More formal eh. Rather than announcing it on British TV when the Portuguese hadn't even been asked they mean then.

[justme3]

"Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann have never abandoned their high-profile campaign to find their eldest daughter"

Yes, they've kept a high-profile alright. Instead of making money from having books published, why don't the McCanns do a reconstruction, or take a lie detector test. What a Jeremy Kyle show THAT would be

[monkey mind]

I care not what the likes of the FickleBrunt and others say.

SY do not have 195 'new lead's. They don't. This is grossly misleading.

They have perhaps 195 outstanding actions, actions which for whatever reason are incomplete and may, Lord preserve us, may one day be finished.

They are 195 exaggerations designed to imply the investigative team are both fruitful an clever.

They are in fact, without any shadow of a doubt, just lines of enquiry that will run their course.

It's a very important point, because this figure of 195 vs 0, well, it paints SY as supermen and the PJ as incompetent ***** does it not?

[jd]

If there is 195 new leads....why isn't the fund/foundation that the public have been begged to contribute to in the name of the search (leaving no stone unturned) used to follow up these leads? This is what the money begged was donated to be used for

[Liz Eagles]

After reading the many posts on the Panorama programme and having more time to think about what I saw last night I have come to only one conclusion. There was absolutely NO need for that documentary. It said nothing; it changed nothing (in terms of finding the truth for Madeleine). SY were talking about a case review that isn't over!!!! The usual people i.e. media and the likes of Brunt are spouting xenophobic tosh and this forum is on fire with disgust and being made to look like we are nutters/zealots. Oh my, when will Madeleine ever have justice.

As for Redwood saying something like it is a privilege to be working on the case, what a bloody bizarre thing is that to say. It's a case. A case to be solved like any other case. A case that if it weren't Madeleine wouldn't have been on McNanorama before its conclusion. As for the appeal to the public well that could have been done on Crimewatch for the last five years couldn't it? Team McCann could have paid for TV advertising from the McFund over five years couldn't they?

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[russiandoll]

exactly aquila and the new photo could have been done as soon as review began aged 8 not 9 and put out to help find her as that is SYs stated aim... no, its prodcued in tandem with an anniversary.

Bilton you were right to look at 5a and say you think of what might have happened there and that it seems still full of questions.

[jd]

As for Redwood saying something like it is a privilege to be working on the case, what a bloody bizarre thing is that to say.

How very true. How can it be a "privilege" to work on a missing child case!! Abduction or no abduction its not a privilege. I hate to say but he is another weak one just looking after his career

[monkey mind]

aquila,

Oh it's a privilege alright, make no mistake. One of the highest profile cases in the last couple of decades.

The question re Redwood is......

Are you the man that wants the privilege of solving the case....

Or the privileged man who dances to the pipers disgusting tune?

It's not easy we can see

It's up to you Mr Redwood

Whether you draw your line in the sand or water

But for fecks sake get rid of the tutu and doff a deerstalker....

[jd]

Or the privileged man who dances to the pipers disgusting tune?

[Liz Eagles]

exactly aquila and the new photo could have been done as soon as review began aged 8 not 9 and put out to help find her as that is SYs stated aim... no, its prodcued in tandem with an anniversary.

Bilton you were right to look at 5a and say you think of what might have happened there and that it seems still full of questions.

full of BS more like. If there were questions to ask why didn't he ask them!

[Liz Eagles]

Why has Team McCann never PAID for tv advertising to find Madeleine? The Fund has spent thousands on suing people...why not spend that money on advertising on tv in a legitimate way? lots of charities advertise so how come the McFund don't? funny ain't it?

[monkey mind]

exactly aquila and the new photo could have been done as soon as review began aged 8 not 9 and put out to help find her as that is SYs stated aim... no, its prodcued in tandem with an anniversary.

Bilton you were right to look at 5a and say you think of what might have happened there and that it seems still full of questions.

full of BS more like. If there were questions to ask why didn't he ask them!

Yup

And on that note, I will take my certain leave.

[aiyoyo]

So this forensic analysis of the timeline, makes Redwood believe she was taken, what time would that be then????............

Following a forensic analysis of the time line, I am satisfied there was an opportunity for Madeleine to be taken as part of a criminal act – abduction by a stranger. There are cases where young people have been taken and found alive years later.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/316564/Madeleine-McCann-She-is-alive

That must be a script given to him by kate!