Re: Ex-CEOP Chief Jim Gamble joins board of kids charity PACT

[sharonl]

Peterman

What a coincidence that it was Blair who appointed Clarence Mitchell as the McCanns spokesman, Gerry joins forces with Ernie Allen and Kate becomes Ambassador for Missing people, PACT patron Richard Branson who's mother was 1st director of PACT offers £100,000 towards McCann legal expenses but nothing towards the search for Madeleine, and later both Clarence Mitchell and Jim Gamble jump on board.

Missing People seem to got what they wanted, a new beginning, a boost - after all the charity was failing fast in 2006/07 just like News International was that's why Murdoch set up his new company News Intl.

Small world isn't it, or as Rebekah Brooks said to Cameron "We are all in this together"

[Liz Eagles]

This may be something or nothing but on the updates section of findmadeleine.com, the updates for 2010 concerning PACT/Missing People International Day etc don't appear in the same format as all the other updates (not on my pc anyhow) - which they used to be.

http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

Are they preparing for a whooshing?

[Cristobell]

These charities are actually causing a considerable amount of harm in claiming children are missing, when they clearly aren't.

http://www.wearenotmissing.com/

[PeterMac]

These charities are actually causing a considerable amount of harm in claiming children are missing, when they clearly aren't.
http://www.wearenotmissing.com/

It is a scam. Widespread, well documented, widely known, but allowed to continue by the Charities Commission.
Why?

Follow the money ?

[Liz Eagles]

When a charity such as Missing People becomes an 'uber charity' and publishes ACPO et al as its PARTNERS then this has to be questioned doesn't it?

When such a charity can publish what are outrageous figures of missing people without ever having to demonstrate the credibility of this information then this has to be questioned doesn't it?

[PeterMac]

PACT
http://www.pact-online.org/About-Us/about-us-achievements-parents-and-abducted-children-together-parental-abduction-missing-children-associate-of-icmec.html

Some of our Achievements

National and international lobbying:

2013
Geoff Newiss awarded a Police Commendation for the quality of his research and the subsequent report, Taken.
Publication of Taken, the first ever comprehensive study on child abduction in the UK undertaken with CEOP.
Realease of Invisible, a 1 minute film, shown on 1000 screens at Wembley Staium during England v. Republic of Ireland match.
Catherine Meyer awarded a CBE in the Queen's Jubilee Birthday Honour for her "services to children and famlies".
2012
Reception at No. 10 Downing Street hosted by The Rt. Hon. Theresa May, Home Secretary, to mark International Missing Children's Day 2012.
Launch of new MissingKids website that distributes images of, and information on, missing children and of pan-European free phone number - 116 000.
Signing of collaboration agreement between CEOP and PACT.
2011
Culmination of years of campaigning and research when on International Missing Children's Day (25th May), the government announced a major step forward in Child Protection. Read more.
Selected to be one of ICAP Charity Day beneficiary to fund a major campaign to advertise the Missingkids Website.
2010
Following PACT’s 10-year campaign, the UK government announced that responsibility for all aspects of missing children will be placed under one roof: the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, or CEOP.
2009
Brought together for the first time, government departments, police agencies, MPs and NGOs to discuss the way forward on child protection using the findings of The Current Landscape as a basis.
Funded and commissioned The Current Landscape, a study carried out by The Brand Union, a WPP company, to review the “missing” landscape and come forward with options for the creation of a National Centre in the UK.
2008
Convinced the Home Office to improve data collection on missing children.
2007
Testified before the All Party Group on Runaway and Missing Children.
2006
Pressed the Home Secretary to create the Strategic Oversight Group, of which PACT is a founding member.
2005
Invited to sit on the steering group, which drew up the Police Guidance on the Management, Recording and Investigation of Missing Persons; and became a member of the ACPO-led Strategic Oversight Group.
Parliamentart Ombudsman upholds complaint against Lord Chancellor’s Department. Download a copy of the report (PDF).
2004
Successfully pressed the French government to introduce the Child Rescue Alert, Alerte Enlevement.
Instigated several House of Commons adjournment debates and Parliamentary questions to demand more aggressive government action on behalf of missing and abducted children.
2002
Played a major role in enacting new legislation in the EU on mutual recognition of custody/access orders, later became know as Brussells II bis.
2000
Persuaded Prime Minister Blair, Presidents Clinton and Bush and President Chirac to make representations on behalf of PACT to the German government.
Successfully pressed the Hague Convention member states to agree to a Guide to Good Practice on its implementation.
1999-2001
Presented evidence to the Belgian Senate.
Testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, which led to several Concurrent Resolutions (U.S. Senate; U.S. House) calling for the proper enforcement of the Hague Convention.
1999
Co-founded, with Ernie Allen, the International Center for Missing & Abducted Children.
1998
Testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
1999
Obtained the support of the then First Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton and the wife of the British Prime Minister, Cherie Booth, QC to the campaign against parental child abduction.
Co-hosted with the International Center for Missing & Exploited Children two international forums on Child Abduction in Washington, DC.

A ONE MINUTE FILM
A reception at No 10
Presented evidence - testified - (no mention of whether it was chucked out)
Free trip to the USA
. . .
A load of bo****s actually.
Of no useful purpose, except to pay the CEO £ 85,000

[Cristobell]

These charities are actually causing a considerable amount of harm in claiming children are missing, when they clearly aren't.
http://www.wearenotmissing.com/

It is a scam.  Widespread, well documented, widely known, but allowed to continue by the Charities Commission.
Why?

Follow the money ?

I once sold double glazing, not something I am proud of, but the words of my old boss, return time and time again. The answer to EVERY question is money.

I wonder if anyone in the Government or the Charities Commission, check and verify the statistics claimed?  Most missing kids are runaways who are quickly returned to their families.  The case of missing Madeleine is unique, the only comparison is Ben Needham in Greece almost 20+ years ago.  All of the charities and the McCann family have led us to believe there are paedophiles on every corner and sitting in the garden with a glass of wine can lead to our children being stolen from their beds.  

I'm almost bemused by the battlecry 'Think of the Children', it brings to mind the hysterical wife of Ned Flanders in The Simpsons, who uses the phrase whenever there is a crisis.  Those who use it take a moral highground that is difficult to criticise, doubts and alternate opinions are taken as a vote for abusing and exploiting children.  Imo, the last Labour Government were using this 'fear' and 'hysteria' to usher in microchipping and Stalinesque ID cards for the entire population.  

The case of Madeleine was a gift from heaven for those wanting to promote the idea that our children are at constant risk.  A cherubic, photogenic child stolen in the night by a dark stranger. It was every parents' worst nightmare.  

The truth is, if people TALK to their children, they will not be at risk and after watching a recent documentary about children and online pornography, today's kids are not as stupid as the authorities would have us believe, most have seen and know about everything that is available on the www, they know more about it than their parents!

[Liz Eagles]

I have only ever seen 1 missing people poster, it was advertising the charity. I have never seen a poster, bill board or anything other than their website, with a picture of a missing person in my area.
Has anyone ever come across a an actual appeal for information poster regarding a missing person from this charity?
How many missing people have been found by this charity?

I think you will find they don't actually DO anything to find missing children.

Their professed role is sorting out the difference between Islamic Law and Christian Law so that children taken - "abducted" - by the Muslim father from the Christian wife can be returned to the Christian wife.
It is a branch of Public International Law (aka Conflict of laws) and many skilled and educated lawyers spend their lives dedicated to it, - without the "help" of a Charity,

This is in fact what happened to "Lady Meyer".  Islamic Husband took the children back to Egypt, or wherever, and won't hand them back.
So she set up a Charity and pays herself £ 85,000 a year.

On the website some time ago one of the successes PACT claimed was attending a reception at No 10 !   No doubt when the Blairs were there.

All this begs the question as to why the McCanns got involved in this whole dodgy enterprise in the first place, since it had and has NO NEXUS with their claimed situation.

I seem to recall that a small charity named 'Missing Abroad' published Madeleine's photo on its website and was asked to remove it.

[Guest]

Yes there is a topic here about it.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t6385-missing-abroad-appoints-ex-met-head-of-homicide-and-serious-crime?highlight=missing+abroad

[Liz Eagles]

Yes there is a topic here about it.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t6385-missing-abroad-appoints-ex-met-head-of-homicide-and-serious-crime?highlight=missing+abroad

Thanks NFWTD but the link is only open to users with special access.

[Nina]

Yes there is a topic here about it.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t6385-missing-abroad-appoints-ex-met-head-of-homicide-and-serious-crime?highlight=missing+abroad

Thanks NFWTD but the link is only open to users with special access.

Haha, I wasn't aware there was a 'special access' area. Sad that.

[Guest]

Yes there is a topic here about it.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t6385-missing-abroad-appoints-ex-met-head-of-homicide-and-serious-crime?highlight=missing+abroad

Thanks NFWTD but the link is only open to users with special access.

Haha, I wasn't aware there was a 'special access' area. Sad that.

I think there were problems and it had to be removed off the forum.

[PeterMac]

I do not think that this particular piece should cause too much offence - other than to the Mccanns, of course.

(UNNAMED _ BUT KNOWN )wrote:
i sent an email to the site asking why madeleine mccann was not on there. This is the reply I got tonight. So another stone not unturned!

RE: [Missing Abroad - Missing Person Enquiries] M Mccann
Show Details
Thanks for your email.
Every time a new missing person profile is added to our website it is only with the express approval or request of the immediate family or guardian.
The day Madeleine was reported missing we offered our services and we did run a profile of her for a while, however the McCann’s staff contacted us and asked us to take it off the site as they had their own campaigns and didn’t require our help.
Kate is aware of the services we offer and indeed I have worked with her on the All Party Parliamentary Group dealing with Missing and Runaway Children and Adults.
Of course if it is requested we would immediately place a new profile on our website, but as long as they don’t ask, I’m afraid Madeleine won’t be on there.
I hope that answers your query?
Best wishes,

Beyond belief, unless you
Follow the money

[Liz Eagles]

I do not think that this particular piece should cause too much offence - other than to the Mccanns, of course.

(UNNAMED _ BUT KNOWN )wrote:
i sent an email to the site asking why madeleine mccann was not on there. This is the reply I got tonight. So another stone not unturned!

RE: [Missing Abroad - Missing Person Enquiries] M Mccann
Show Details
Thanks for your email.
Every time a new missing person profile is added to our website it is only with the express approval or request of the immediate family or guardian.
The day Madeleine was reported missing we offered our services and we did run a profile of her for a while, however the McCann’s staff contacted us and asked us to take it off the site as they had their own campaigns and didn’t require our help.
Kate is aware of the services we offer and indeed I have worked with her on the All Party Parliamentary Group dealing with Missing and Runaway Children and Adults.
Of course if it is requested we would immediately place a new profile on our website, but as long as they don’t ask, I’m afraid Madeleine won’t be on there.
I hope that answers your query?
Best wishes,

Beyond belief, unless you
Follow the money

....and whilst this request was made the Madeleine campaign was asking people to buy all sorts of pointless tat from its website - T shirts, good quality wristbands, posters, holiday packs etc.

At one point the campaign (I've never understood what the campaign is/was) asked students on a gap year to promote Madeleine's image and search for her whilst abroad.

[Snifferdog]

Aquila: At one point the campaign (I've never understood what the campaign is/was) asked students on a gap year to promote Madeleine's image and search for her whilst abroad.
Snifferdog:
Such a freakin cheek né?

[Guest]

One of my nieces provided her details in answer to that request for help from students.

No she didn't believe the McCanns but the idea was to find out what she would be asked.

She never heard from them; whether that was the same for everyone of course I can't say.

[Cristobell]

One of my nieces provided her details in answer to that request for help from students.

No she didn't believe the McCanns but the idea was to find out what she would be asked.

She never heard from them; whether that was the same for everyone of course I can't say.

Like the pretendy detectives they hired, it might have been a pretendy campaign.

[Guest]

Yes I did think that it might all be to give the impression that they were making genuine attempts to look for Madeleine when they were really doing absolutely nothing.

[PeterMac]

Yes I did think that it might all be to give the impression that they were making genuine attempts to look for Madeleine when they were really doing absolutely nothing.

Let us never let them get away from the fact that they know know where Madeleine is.

Their own PIs told the world she was (and one supposes still IS ) in a Hellish lair within 10 miles of Praia da Luz.
And neither he, nor they, either on their own or through their official cloaca loquentes, has EVER resiled from that position.

And not one of them has EVER been there to have a look.

So, logically they must know know that she is NOT there, but are merely maintaining the lie for the purpose of collecting money.

[Doug D]

Last 3 days Press releases from SY, showing the preponderance of  missing people.

Trouble is the b***ers keep turning up, almost before they get posted as missing!

Latest from the Press Bureau at Scotland Yard


Sunday 20th April
UPDATE:Missing 13-year-old from Walthamstow found
UPDATE: Missing Enfield boy found
UPDATE: Missing Hackney woman found
Missing 11-year-old boy from Enfield
Appeal to trace missing woman from Hackney

Saturday, 19 April
Court update re: man charged with firearms offences
UPDATE: Missing Swedish woman found
Appeal re: collision in Battersea

 
Friday, 18 April
Missing 13-year-old girl
Smash and grab robbery in Chelsea
Man appears at court tomorrow re firearms offences

[tigger]

@Doug D: D......n!   

The face of the prettiest girl Missing People could find on their list was used for the big opening campaign of their new ambassador Ms Healy. . Unfortunately the girl was found just before the portraits were distributed. And a few days later she ran away again.

[AskTheDogsSandra]

Yes I did think that it might all be to give the impression that they were making genuine attempts to look for Madeleine when they were really doing absolutely nothing.

Let us never let them get away from the fact that they know know where Madeleine is.

Their own PIs told the world she was (and one supposes still IS ) in a Hellish lair within 10 miles of Praia da Luz.
And neither he, nor they, either on their own or through their official cloaca loquentes, has EVER resiled from that position.

And not one of them has EVER been there to have a look.

So, logically they must know know that she is NOT there, but are merely maintaining the lie for the purpose of collecting money.

Do you ever wish you could still be in the police force, say a Police Superintendent in the Met in charge of Operation Grange?

[PeterMac]

Do you ever wish you could still be in the police force, say a Police Superintendent in the Met in charge of Operation Grange?

To the second question in charge of Op Grange - YES.
To the first - in the Met. Sir Robert Mark was a family friend, and at the point when I was joining the Service instructed me - I put it as high as that - NEVER to join the Met.
He was then Assistant Commissioner and knew that he had many hard years ahead of him to try to clean it out.
He had some success, Moody, Virgo, et al. but sadly since he left the Commissioners have lacked the guts, or the professional or political expertise to continue;.
What is happening now, what is happening with Operation Grange, with Yew Tree, with the other "politically sensitive enquiries" as with Dunblane, is anyone's guess.

So the balanced answer to your question is
NO. I was not part of what is now happening, and would not wish to be part of what I perceive is going on.

[Guest]

Ouch!