Re: The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

by **PeterMac** 07.06.20 15:22

Whereas the strange sacked head of CEOPS insists she may still be alive.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-may-still-be-alive-despite-what-germans-say-claims-ex-ruc-detective-gamble-who-probed-case-39261324.html

A former detective from Northern Ireland who has played a central role in the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance believes she could still be alive.
Jim Gamble said he disagreed with German prosecutors, who fear Madeleine is dead and are investigating a child sex predator on suspicion of her murder.

by **Jill Havern** 07.06.20 15:30

by **PeterMac** 07.06.20 15:47

Bruntie keeps popping up and putting on his sad face, to tell us that the suspect Christian Brückner is not talking to detectives.

Of course he doesn’t have to. Germany’s rules are much the same as they are in the rest of the civilised world, and allow a suspect to remain silent, even demanding that the person be reminded of this during interview.

But that is not a bar to a successful prosecution. Far from it. It often makes the case stronger.
The English Police caution specifically warns about this
“You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.

So how does it work in practice.
The suspect or defendant is entitled to know the details of the evidence against her. All of it. The entire prosecution file MUST be disclosed to give the defendant the opportunity to test every bit of the allegation.

So an interview might go something like this. We can assume silence, or “No Comment” after each statement of question. After the introduction to set the scene, and explain what it is all about for the benefit of the recording …
“Have you ever been to PdL
Have you ever been inside Apartment 5A of the Ocean Club

Did you force open the shutters on the front window on apartment 5A

A mark was found on those shutters which exactly matched an instrument recovered during the search of your tool box in your presence. Do you care to make any comment about that.

You refuse to say whether you were ever in Apartment 5A. I have to tell you that your fingerprints were found on the inside of the window of the bedroom. Do you have any comment to make about that.

Did you climb in through the front window into the children’s bedroom.
I have to tell you that a footprint was recovered, and it is of the same shoe size as yours.

Can you tell me about the arrangement of the beds and the children in the room

And so on
The point is – you cannot do this without having some evidence to start with.
Just a scrap of evidence. Of something at all

A good interviewer of the old school could then expand that scrap into a full case.
But you do need a scrap.
And without even a scrap, a Confession is almost worthless

People confess to things they couldn’t have done all the time, which is why police use terms like “blunt instrument’, firearm, sharp instrument even though know exactly what was involved.

Because the only other person who knows is the offender.

And here ? They have nothing. Because there is nothing to have. Except bo***** statements about jemmied shutters, open curtains, closed curtains (same witness!), which the detectives know is simply not true.
Not to mention the insistence on an almost constant High Visibility foot patrol by 5 people marching up and down the street at regular intervals outside.

No wonder Brunt puts on his sad face.

by Liz Eagles 07.06.20 15:54

Aww bless Brunt, he can't nip over to France and busk on the pavements there after his shameful doorstepping of Brenda Leyland.

by **Mainline** 07.06.20 15:58

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https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269530842298298368

Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

by **Jill Havern** 07.06.20 16:05

PeterMac wrote:Hilarious.
even Edgar, part of the Pigeon-Loft Two is having grave doubts.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/the-big-read-ex-ruc-detective-warns-not-to-jump-to-conclusions-amid-frenzy-over-madeleine-mccann-suspect-39265307.html

A FORMER RUC detective who spent three years hunting for Madeleine McCann last night insisted she could still be alive - and urged the world: "Don't jump to conclusions about the guilt of the new suspect."
As German prosecutors stated they believe Maddie is dead after being abducted by paedophile Christian Brückner, ex-RUC detective Dave Edgar said there is still no "hard evidence" the youngster was murdered or that the convicted rapist and child abuser was involved.

Well quite so, Officer. There is also no "hard evidence", as you call it, that there was an Abduction.
Why don't you mention that ?

the hills Peter, the lawless hills.... whistling

by Liz Eagles 07.06.20 16:07

Jill Havern wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Hilarious.
even Edgar, part of the Pigeon-Loft Two is having grave doubts.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/the-big-read-ex-ruc-detective-warns-not-to-jump-to-conclusions-amid-frenzy-over-madeleine-mccann-suspect-39265307.html

A FORMER RUC detective who spent three years hunting for Madeleine McCann last night insisted she could still be alive - and urged the world: "Don't jump to conclusions about the guilt of the new suspect."
As German prosecutors stated they believe Maddie is dead after being abducted by paedophile Christian Brückner, ex-RUC detective Dave Edgar said there is still no "hard evidence" the youngster was murdered or that the convicted rapist and child abuser was involved.

Well quite so, Officer. There is also no "hard evidence", as you call it, that there was an Abduction.
Why don't you mention that ?
the hills Peter, the lawless hills....

Them thar hills.

by Liz Eagles 07.06.20 16:10

Mainline wrote:

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269530842298298368

Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

No authority is digging up any soil.

by **PeterMac** 07.06.20 16:26

crusader wrote:5c was an empty apartment. 5a- McCann's 5b -Oldfield's 5c empty 5d- Obriens

My Mistake.
Amended.

AND TB, the timings have to take account of the time taken to enter, check child/ren, exit and return.
So they should look more like this

So the actual timings would be roughly this, based on their evidence (stated purpose of visit added):

[Edited to amend 5C to 5D and 5D to 5B]

1 GM to 5A - 9.05 - Check on 3 children - all there - Madeleine looked beautiful - bathroom, exit and talks to JW
2 JT to 5D - 9.10 Check on children - DID see Gerry talking to Jez Wilkins, saw Tannerman/Sagresman/Julian Totman. 9.10 - GM is now outside. They don't see her however.
3 GM returns to table 9.20 - Delayed by talking to Jez Wilklns, some of Tapas 7 say maybe switched on telly to look at Liverpool match
4 JT returns to table 9.25 - Having seen Tannerman etc.
5= ROB to 5D 9.30 - Check on his children, one of whom is very sick, puts the washing machine on to clean clothes and bedding
5= MO to 5B 9.30 - Check on his children, then speaks to ROB, then goes through 5A patio doors and up stairs to check Gerry's children, looks through door of children's room in 5A, not sure if he saw Madeleine, noticed 'a bit more light'
from this point it makes no sense at all, and may explain why they refused to do a reconstruction. It seems impossible
7 MO via 5A returns to table - 9.40 - at the earliest.
8 JT to 5D - 9.35 - To relieve ROB from caring for sick child This must have been 9.40+. MO visited THREE apartments and entered them all before returning
9 ROB returns to table - 9.45 - JT has got back to 5C to look after sick child so that he can go back and finish his dinner This must have been 9.50 at the earliest
10 KM to 5A - 9.55 to 10.00 - Check on all three children, finds only two. Alarm raised

by Eastree27 07.06.20 16:29

Liz Eagles wrote:
Mainline wrote:

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269530842298298368

Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.
No authority is digging up any soil.

They might if one of two things can happen.

1. No body is found
2. A body can be said to be found but no Portuguese autopsy is allowed to cover up why it could not appear in 2007.

by sandancer 07.06.20 16:34

Well all the " ex top cops " have got their names in the media and their fingers in the pie !

Williams Thomas , Gamble and Edgar . Who's next ?

A very rough looking Clarence , Brunt searching for a doorstep , all the usual " suspects "

The looking for their five minutes of fame bandwagon jumpers all with a negative story to tell about C.B .

The crucial witnesses from 13 years ago who caught a glimpse of a man , but now shown a photo can say " yes that's him , that's the man I saw " .

Like @verdi has said (anti) social distancing is beginning to sound more fun !!! snooze

by **Mainline** 07.06.20 16:35

Liz Eagles wrote:No authority is digging up any soil.

I don't know. The last time there were digs, it was based on 'someone hearing people talking in the road'. They're giving a lot more basis this time round, even if the digs would be for show or another Barkas situation.

by Eastree27 07.06.20 16:36

Mainline wrote:

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269530842298298368

Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269516272435331073
His article is suspicious.

by Eastree27 07.06.20 16:40

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269378948607160320

Surely the line wont be CB and another woman involved?

by Liz Eagles 07.06.20 16:45

Eastree27 wrote:
Mainline wrote:

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269530842298298368

Assuming we are going to be hearing of searches in Foral and elsewhere, it was good of the UK media to let us know before anything was organised with the PJ.
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269516272435331073
His article is suspicious.

If the German police have these two vehicles where is the forensic evidence to allow them to pursue a conviction and why has this become a media fest?

by **Jill Havern** 07.06.20 16:53

Eastree27 wrote:https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1269378948607160320

Surely the line wont be CB and another woman involved?

Bugger, he's blocked me wail

by MaddieMay13YEARS 07.06.20 16:53

@Verdi
Thank you. The name Khandola rings a bell. I will look it up.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 16:59

Some infomation from the Portuguese newspaper, Corrieo da Manh

"Ocean Club employee reported McCann habits to suspect Maddie's abduction
PJ and the German police identify an employee who told Brueckner that English couples left valuable assets in their homes.
Christian Brueckner's cell phone number has been in the process since 2007. It is one of the devices that were activated in the vicinity of the village from which Maddie disappeared, but only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl is that the PJ managed to connect the contact.

A former employee of the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, had him in his ...

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That's all it will let me see.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 17:08

This is also from CDM from 6 June:

"It's the man I saw": Witness says Christian was near the McCanns' apartment on the day of Maddie's disappearance
The main suspect in the abduction had been convicted of sexual crimes against children.

When Britain saw a photograph of the pedophile, recently identified as a suspect in kidnapping Maddie, she exclaimed, "This is the man I saw."

The woman reportedly reported the sighting of the German at the time of the disappearance and was seen as a credible witness.

A second witness confirmed that he saw the man acting bizarre days after Madeleine McCann's appearance.

He also revealed that Portuguese detectives circulated a photo of the pedophile. "They showed his photograph to at least two witnesses who identified him, but nothing happened."

The main suspect in the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, now 43, moved from Germany to Praia da Luz in 1995, at the age of 18. At the time, the suspect had already been convicted of sex crimes against children.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 17:11

Can anyone understand Portuguese? There is a property in this footage. It may be something of interest:

https://www.cmjornal.pt/multimedia/videos/detalhe/suspeito-de-rapto-de-maddie-investigado-por-desaparecimento-de-menino-no-algarve?ref=Pesquisa_Destaques

by crusader 07.06.20 17:14

The full article @sallypelt is in the Mail on Sunday.

by **Tony Bennett** 07.06.20 17:17

Jill Havern wrote:

Could this be Martin Smith, I wonder?

If not, who is this 'Key Irish Witness'?

Obviously Christian Brueckner looks nothing like 'E-fit A' nor 'E-fit B'.

If Martin Smith is right - and also that it was Christian Bruckner who abducted Madeleine and bundled her into his VW camper van between 9.05pm and 9.55pm that night - then there must have been TWO three-year-old blonde girls being carried by a lone man around the streets of Praia da Luz that night of Thursday 3 May

by crusader 07.06.20 17:18

The female receptionist Elisa Angela Dias Romao, will surely be questioned in connection with CB.

by **sharonl** 07.06.20 17:24

Tony Bennett wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:

Could this be Martin Smith, I wonder?

If not, who is this 'Key Irish Witness'?

Obviously Christian Brueckner looks nothing like 'E-fit A' nor 'E-fit B'.

If Martin Smith is right - and also that it was Christian Bruckner who abducted Madeleine and bundled her into his VW camper van between 9.05pm and 9.55pm that night - then there must have been TWO three-year-old blonde girls being carried by a lone man around the streets of Praia da Luz that night of Thursday 3 May

And these lone men were all similarly dressed? What a coincidence.

by sallypelt 07.06.20 17:30

Can someone enlighten me on "the Garden Club"? This Garden Club keeps popping up in different articles. I don't recall hearing about it in the past

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.