Re: The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

by **Mainline** 05.06.20 13:38

Jill Havern wrote:DID HE TAKE GERMAN MADDIE TOO?

Madeleine McCann suspect is linked to unsolved disappearance of five-year-old German girl in woods in 2015 - as chilling online chats reveal he wanted to 'capture something small and use it for days'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html

From above article, this answers the question regarding not being into his 7 year sentence yet:

'The seven-year jail term for this conviction will not start until his appeal has been heard.
His legal battle with the German authorities over the rape case means he could walk free within days having served two-thirds of his drugs sentence at Kiel prison, according to the German newspaper Frankfurter Rundschau .'

I don't suppose he'd have a police escort and new identity waiting for him were he freed on Sunday. Perhaps charging him yesterday will allow him to be detained in jail rather than let out altogether?

by Armchair-defective 05.06.20 13:44

Mainline wrote:
talby66 wrote:
Armchair-defective wrote:Does anyone know if any of the phone numbers mentioned in the German appeal been seen before in the files?

If not it would mean German police somehow accessed phone records the Portuguese did not. All very strange!

'In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 ....The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness ''

Edit - I searched the files. Maybe these are a match.

679 to 680 - Witness statement of Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva 2007.05.08
681 to 683 - Witness statement of Auzela Tanta Damiao Andre Bingui 2007.05.08

So they KNOW the names of this witnesses, so what's the point?
I don't understand how you found those statements, I can see there is a phone number on each but they have been redacted, is there some other way to see the numbers?

Those are page numbers not phone numbers.

Yes, you're right. What a silly mistake! I had searched the files with the numbers....I searched the phone number 351 916 510 683 again on the web and this came up -

http://news.met.police.uk/images/co317-07unidentified-caller-plus-351-916-510-683-1964920 An unidentified number on the Met Police is that a strange coincidence? Or is it just part of the appeal?

by **Mainline** 05.06.20 13:49

Armchair-defective wrote:Yes, you're right. What a silly mistake! I had searched the files with the numbers....I searched the phone number 351 916 510 683 again on the web and this came up -

http://news.met.police.uk/images/co317-07unidentified-caller-plus-351-916-510-683-1964920 An unidentified number on the Met Police is that a strange coincidence? Or is it just part of the appeal?

Graphic from the OG release.

by AlexBG 05.06.20 14:08

Tony Blair recently stated, with regard to lifting the lockdown:
"...you have to, in a sense, terrify people to make the lockdown work, and now you're in this position where you have to pivot, to somewhat unterrifying them frankly, to get them back."

Perhaps this McCann story has been timed to distract the masses from thinking about deadly "bogeyman viruses", and to negate any obligation to provide some critical analysis of the justification (or lack thereof) behind the lockdown, by immediately filling the papers with something completely different.

In the US a story of similarly high emotional impact seems to have been used, namely "white psycho cop kills black stereotype", to the same effect.

by Eastree27 05.06.20 14:27

I Think we really need to investigate the case of Inga Gehricke- feels like it will be important - disappeared May 2nd 2015. What are the full details?

by **PeterMac** 05.06.20 14:30

From Sky: Paraphrased
"But it shows that after three years, though they have a good deal of circumstantial evidence against the suspect, they are struggling to find hard evidence”.

Hard evidence ...
Like evidence of entry, evidence of presence, evidence of exit,
a means, a motive, and a window of opportunity... ?

And all Grange are doing is squealing …
Just give us some evidence, of something.
Of Anything. Please ! Help!

This is beyond a joke. Beyond parody.
He may be the phantom Abductor and murderer of small girls as well as being the raper of old woman, and probably several other things as well, but as always in modern legal jurisdictions, you need EVIDENCE

And the enquiry into Inga follows the same format. He WAS investigated.
Sky ON line
A Sky News investigation discovered last year that Christian B, 43, was already being considered as a potential suspect for Inga's disappearance. It is understood his home was searched by police a year after Inga disappeared, but no action was taken.
Churnalism ?

by **Jill Havern** 05.06.20 14:45

Maddie prime suspect just a 'scapegoat', former lead Portuguese detective claims

By Mark Saunokonoko • Senior Journalist
12:01pm Jun 4, 2020

https://www.9news.com.au/national/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-a-scapegoat-portugal-detective-goncalo-amaral-claims-maddie-podcast/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357?fbclid=IwAR2XeFUu2UGvtCHbKN0TDRLuFIfobTDKPo9Kf3Didgp-uCy15UXtgOAtecA

by **PeterMac** 05.06.20 14:49

Rounding up the Usual Suspects is NORMAL POLICE PRACTICE.
It is now called T I E. Trace Interview and Eliminate.

If the DC at the time cannot do that to her satisfaction you bring them in,; Persuade them to begin with, to Assist with enquiries: but if necessary arrest on Suspicion of involvement.
You are immediately suspicious of anyone who refused to assist - or who refuses to answer simple questions (!) - or who moves immediately into Want a Solicitor mode.

Innocence demands the right to be heard. Guilt demands the right to remain silent.

Of course this joker would have been on everyone's radar, both in PdL and in Germany.

by Verdi 05.06.20 15:39

This is rapidly turning back on the inept bungling sardine munching Portuguese police.

Déjà vu?

They investigated a number of links to paedophilia - they eliminated from their inquiries.

Now, thirteen years later - just a little beyond the anniversary and birthday (coincidently), here we are again going down the same road. What's in store for the coming October I wonder.

Again being sucked-in by or to, depending who you are, nonesense press reports of a German sex offender of some description slash drug dealer slash Romeo slash dosser slash romany slash second hand car dealer.

Whoever is responsible for this fake news please note .... any temporary distraction like this, will never prevent good decent people seeking justice for little lost Madeleine McCann!

bignono

by Verdi 05.06.20 15:48

Mainline wrote:
Armchair-defective wrote:Yes, you're right. What a silly mistake! I had searched the files with the numbers....I searched the phone number 351 916 510 683 again on the web and this came up -

http://news.met.police.uk/images/co317-07unidentified-caller-plus-351-916-510-683-1964920 An unidentified number on the Met Police is that a strange coincidence? Or is it just part of the appeal?

Graphic from the OG release.

Don't 'the police' have the resources to trace phone use when investigating a serious crime?

The public are being conned - again!

The bloke is locked-up behind bars, he's not difficult to locate. Get him in - no sorry, he's already in, interview him officially, investigate him officially and let us know the outcome when you've done your work.

Guilty or not guilty - that is the question.

I think we already know the answer to that. Ask the dogs DAC Stuary Cundy - they don't need a lie detector test - they don't lie.

by Verdi 05.06.20 15:59

Take any one reasonably lengthy press report (not difficult to find) and read through from beginning to end. Make quick notes of falsehoods, discrepencies, similarities, coincidences, peculiar stuff so easily overlooked.

Then and only then, will you see what utter nonsense this latest blitz of news actually is.

America is in a state of total chaos, people are dying and being injured - unresolved racists issue passed from generation to generation have resurfaced wit a vengeance.
Coronavirus is said to be killing thousands and threatens to haunt the remainder of our days on earth.
Brexit, a monumentally important future for Britain, has been all but buried by other more pressing issues.
Climate change lurks as the armageddon of the world as we know it, with a little school child dictating the rules.
Bill Gates wants to dominate the world.

Yet here we are again ....

by Verdi 05.06.20 16:02

Eastree27 wrote:I Think we really need to investigate the case of Inga Gehricke- feels like it will be important - disappeared May 2nd 2015. What are the full details?

Feel free if you think it worthwhile.

I've got better things to do with my life than chasing fake news.

Let us know what you uncover thumbsup

. If nothing else, I could do with a good belly laugh.

by sallypelt 05.06.20 16:02

Verdi wrote:Take any one reasonably lengthy press report (not difficult to find) and read through from beginning to end. Make quick notes of falsehoods, discrepencies, similarities, coincidences, peculiar stuff so easily overlooked.

Then and only then, will you see what utter nonsense this latest blitz of news actually is.

America is in a state of total chaos, people are dying and being injured - unresolved racists issue passed from generation to generation have resurfaced wit a vengeance.
Coronavirus is said to be killing thousands and threatens to haunt the remainder of our days on earth.
Brexit, a monumentally important future for Britain, has been all but buried by other more pressing issues.
Climate change lurks as the armageddon of the world as we know it, with a little school child dictating the rules.
Bill Gates wants to dominate the world.

Yet here we are again ....

C'mon, Verdi. Don't hold back. Tell us how bad the world REALLY is. laugh

I'm off to the bathroom cabinet to look for the razor blades.

by Verdi 05.06.20 16:10

Go bake some more pasties!

I'm rather partial to pasties. You can send one to me c/o the dark side of the moon.

Excuse the rrrors - my keyboard is infected with 'the virus'

by sallypelt 05.06.20 16:14

Verdi wrote:Go bake some more pasties!

I'm rather partial to pasties. You can send one to me c/o the dark side of the moon.

Excuse the rrrors - my keyboard is infected with 'the virus'

Laughter is the best medicine, especially right now, even though there's nothing much to laugh about.

by **Jill Havern** 05.06.20 16:17

Paul James
4 mins

As the recent news released from the German police sinks in around the world, many people have many varying views and opinions about this dramatic announcement and breakthrough. Having now watched all the TV clips and read the newspapers and online articles, the one thing that really stands out the most for me, is not just the Germans viewing this as a murder inquiry and themselves now taking the lead, but that they have gone as far as saying, 'they know how Madeleine was killed'.

Now that, for them to say that, they must have very specific evidence and this could have came from that German, either in an off hand comment in a paedophile chat room, or from an unguarded remark in a bar, which was over heard by someone as they watched the Madeleine tenth anniversary clips on TV.

After that announcement the other day, that they are treating this as a murder inquiry, there can be no doubt in anyone's minds now that Madeleine is dead and has been since May 2007 and therefore will never be found alive, or at all. So there is no point in any agency or authority looking or any more donations or funds going into the, Find Madeleine Fund.

In fact, does this not mean that the Find Madeleine Fund has now no purpose? After all, its sole purpose and reason for existing in the first place was to find Madeleine alive, and clearly now, that is not and is never going to happen.

In fact, did the parents not say that the money (obtained from suing the press ect, donations from very kind members of the public including their holiday friends' payout and from sales of mechanise) should be used to help other missing children?

As Madeleine is never going to be found alive and obviously there is no hope whatsoever in ever finding Madeleine's body either, as a good will gesture to everyone who bought into the belief Madeleine could be found alive, all the monies the parents have accumulated since May 2007, should now be returned 'without question', by individuals and groups ect, requesting a refund from the parents Madeleine Fund.

Is that not the decent and right thing to do? I think it is.

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. - Page 9 1126

https://www.facebook.com/groups/JillHavernCompleteMysteryofMadeleineMcCann/permalink/2707508882826921/

by Verdi 05.06.20 16:20

sallypelt wrote:
Verdi wrote:Go bake some more pasties!

I'm rather partial to pasties. You can send one to me c/o the dark side of the moon.

Excuse the rrrors - my keyboard is infected with 'the virus'
Laughter is the best medicine, especially right now, even though there's nothing much to laugh about.

Feel free to laugh at me - I don't mind.

I spend most of my life laughing at myself dance

.

by Verdi 05.06.20 16:24

The German police are in no position to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. the PJ retain primacy.

That aside, according to press reports, the German police are working with Operation Grange. According to Operation Grange, they are still not treating the case as homicide, their rationale - no body = no homicide.

It's fake news.

by Eastree27 05.06.20 16:48

I think Inga vanishing on the 2nd may is key - if Maddie vanished due to a much wider network then she could be similarly linked to it.

by sar 05.06.20 17:22

Jill Havern wrote:Paul James
4 mins

As the recent news released from the German police sinks in around the world, many people have many varying views and opinions about this dramatic announcement and breakthrough. Having now watched all the TV clips and read the newspapers and online articles, the one thing that really stands out the most for me, is not just the Germans viewing this as a murder inquiry and themselves now taking the lead, but that they have gone as far as saying, 'they know how Madeleine was killed'.

Now that, for them to say that, they must have very specific evidence and this could have came from that German, either in an off hand comment in a paedophile chat room, or from an unguarded remark in a bar, which was over heard by someone as they watched the Madeleine tenth anniversary clips on TV.

After that announcement the other day, that they are treating this as a murder inquiry, there can be no doubt in anyone's minds now that Madeleine is dead and has been since May 2007 and therefore will never be found alive, or at all. So there is no point in any agency or authority looking or any more donations or funds going into the, Find Madeleine Fund.

In fact, does this not mean that the Find Madeleine Fund has now no purpose? After all, its sole purpose and reason for existing in the first place was to find Madeleine alive, and clearly now, that is not and is never going to happen.

In fact, did the parents not say that the money (obtained from suing the press ect, donations from very kind members of the public including their holiday friends' payout and from sales of mechanise) should be used to help other missing children?

As Madeleine is never going to be found alive and obviously there is no hope whatsoever in ever finding Madeleine's body either, as a good will gesture to everyone who bought into the belief Madeleine could be found alive, all the monies the parents have accumulated since May 2007, should now be returned 'without question', by individuals and groups ect, requesting a refund from the parents Madeleine Fund.

Is that not the decent and right thing to do? I think it is.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/JillHavernCompleteMysteryofMadeleineMcCann/permalink/2707508882826921/

"After that announcement the other day, that they are treating this as a murder inquiry, there can be no doubt in anyone's minds now that Madeleine is dead and has been since May 2007 and therefore will never be found alive, or at all. So there is no point in any agency or authority looking or any more donations or funds going into the, Find Madeleine Fund.

In fact, does this not mean that the Find Madeleine Fund has now no purpose? After all, its sole purpose and reason for existing in the first place was to find Madeleine alive, and clearly now, that is not and is never going to happen."

by sallypelt 05.06.20 17:31

Article from a German paper, 26. April 2017 10:58 Uhr

"I thought, "You'll definitely find my child""
Two years ago, her five-year-old daughter Inga disappeared without a trace during a family outing. Victoria and Jens-Uwe Gehricke talk for the first time about this stroke of fate - and their different handling of it .
s was May 2, 2015, when her life was completely out of kilter. Victoria and Jens-Uwe Gehricke wanted to meet friends with their four children at Wilhelmshof, a deaconry facility 30 kilometres west of Stendal. In the early evening, in a window of only ten minutes, her daughter Inga disappeared. Since then, there has been no trace of the girl. In conversation with the stern, it becomes clear how differently Inga's parents deal with the uncertainty. "My feeling tells me she's still alive," says Victoria Gehricke, the mother. "I haven't found anything that could speak for a good outcome, however much I want it," says Jens-Uwe Gehricke, the father. "I still have the hope that it will be found. But the hope that she will come back alive is close to zero for me."

1/2

by sallypelt 05.06.20 17:34

2/2

To this day, searching for Inga is still being sought, to this day there is not the slightest indication of the girl's whereabouts. Investigators have investigated around 2,000 traces, none of which led to Inga. This was also the reason for the parents to give an interview for the first time. "Maybe someone gives themselves a jolt and says I've seen something. Maybe even someone from the direct vicinity of the perpetrator," says Jens-Uwe Gehricke.

In conversation with the stern, the parents describe in detail how the day went. Jens-Uwe Gehricke had seen his daughter on the footpath leading from the friends' house to the barbecue area on the edge of the forest shortly before her disappearance. Inga was carrying two large water bottles, she wanted to help with the preparations for a barbecue. Shortly afterwards, she was again watched by two other children as she made her way back to the house. That was around 6.30 pm. To this day, no one knows what happened. Jens-Uwe Gehricke: "It was only 100 meters to the house. But she never got there."
For days, the huge forest area around the Wilhelmshof was searched. And also later again and again. "The idea that someone might have kidnapped her, that she had passed away," Inga's mother initially wanted to "don't grow up". "I thought: You definitely find my child, it's just a matter of time," Recalls Victoria Gehricke of the first time after the child's disappearance. But then the fear rose in her that Inga might have been taken away by someone. "You distrust everyone at that moment."
In the conversation, the parents also talk about how they tried to protect Inga's siblings from rampant fantasies and how therapists and friends helped them.

https://www.stern.de/panorama/stern-crime/vermisste-inga-gehricke--eltern-sprechen-im-stern-erstmals-ueber-schicksalsschlag-7427172.html

by Eastree27 05.06.20 17:49

So meeting friends appears in both cases plus a bit of religion.

by **Tony Bennett** 05.06.20 18:00

Eastree27 wrote:I think Inga vanishing on the 2nd May is key - if Maddie vanished due to a much wider network then she could be similarly linked to it.

Madeleine was reported missing on 3 May 2007, though many on this forum think that she died four days earlier, late on Sunday 29 April 2007.

Inga Gehricke was reported missing on 1 or 2 May 2015. There is a thread on the Inga Gehricke case on the forum - here:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11306-missing-inga-gehricke-aged-5-is-germany-s-madeleine-mccann

by listener 05.06.20 18:49

As a frequent visitor to Lagos, Luz and Burgau at the time of Madeleine's 'disappearance', I took an immediate interest in the 'story'.
I remember my total amazement at the immediate 'top level' governmental support given to this particular 'disappearance'.
I remember my anger as our press/media falsely portrayed the Algarve as some kind of 'paedophiles paradise'.
I remember reading/seeing all the early conflicting stories from the McCanns, Tanner etc. and the efforts of the rest of their group to 'cover their work'.

For years I watched the forums, which started with the 3 arguidos. I saw all the inconstancies come and go and I wondered why and for how long could the (then Labour) government (using their mouthpiece Clarence Mitchell and UK media) support/protect the McCanns.

Being a little bit older now - and 'possibly' wiser? - I more understand the strength of 'the brethren'.
Remember this from Gordon Brown The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. - Page 9 The-claw

Why now? Why have Clarence and the media been dusted off to spew their crap at us?
Is it a distraction conspiracy?

Distraction from what? - The 'R' rate rising again? - or something else?

It's certainly not about any impending conclusion as to what happened to that poor wee lassie.

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.