Re: Good Cop Down: The reality of being a police whistleblower

by JRP 19.05.17 16:12

Verdi wrote:
JRP wrote:
So Ronnie Kray now had two politicians in his pocket, one a Conservative Peer Lord Boothby, and one a Labour MP Tom Dryburgh who also had connections to the press.
The Krays and their crime syndicate had more than a couple of politicians in their pocket. They also rubbed shoulders with high profile celebrities, like Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland and Diana Dors - if I remember rightly even good old national treasure Barbara Windsor had a dabble.

In the 60's the Krays were looked on as celebrities themselves. Amazing they ended up behind bars - just shows you, it can be done with perseverance!

Yep, Barbara Windsor married gangster/club owner, Ronnie Knight in the early/mid 60's. They met through both knowing Ronnie Kray if I remember correctly.
Perseverance coupled with pushing their luck too far got them in the end, they believed they were untouchable, like many others who occupy very limited space at HM's pleasure.

by willowthewisp 19.05.17 16:15

Verdi wrote:
JRP wrote:
So Ronnie Kray now had two politicians in his pocket, one a Conservative Peer Lord Boothby, and one a Labour MP Tom Dryburgh who also had connections to the press.
The Krays and their crime syndicate had more than a couple of politicians in their pocket. They also rubbed shoulders with high profile celebrities, like Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland and Diana Dors - if I remember rightly even good old national treasure Barbara Windsor had a dabble.

In the 60's the Krays were looked on as celebrities themselves. Amazing they ended up behind bars - just shows you, it can be done with perseverance!

Hi Verdi,JRP,Re;Krays. I have watched the Film of the Krays,Billy Whielaw,Martin,Gary Kemp etc.
Now I do not mind if a film depicts life's events,but"Over the Top"scenarios of violence are to"Glamorize"them,other than depict them as thugs,using violence to obtain funds from"Protection Racketeer"causing even more hardship for families in their Area,it was OK to do this survival of the Fittest?
The story vaguely touched on the"Mental Torture"affecting the Wife of one of the Kray's,but not the torture they inflicted upon their victims families?
Do not forget the unsolved Murder of Bernard,who was introduced to the Kray's friends by Kitty Webb,who had close links to Miranda,who had"Freebies"in Tuscany,Barbados,Portugal with his wife?

by Nina 19.05.17 17:29

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Another police officer following me with a shocking blog https://depresseddetective.wordpress.com/

https://twitter.com/saddetective

I have just finished reading through the first link Get'em and am in tears of both anger and sorrow.
It is plain to see that corruption in the police force is par for the course and not just with the cases they investigate but within their own ranks.

by sandancer 19.05.17 18:16

sandancer wrote:The courage of this man to bare his heart and soul deserves every accolade known to man .

To him and his family , I say thank you and that's not a good enough word .

Thank you for your strength , your belief in what is right .

It's not often I'm lost for words , but I will say this

Words have power , you sir are using this power . Carry on , I hope others will follow your lead .

To you and your family I wish peace , blessings and light .

I am reposting my message to the first blog , now wishing to include all the others who have spoken out .

Like Nina I am in tears and so angry at the corruption , bullying and lack of decent human care these officers have received .

They have been let down and so are we the public .
Where will it all end ?

by **Jill Havern** 19.05.17 18:39

Nina wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Another police officer following me with a shocking blog https://depresseddetective.wordpress.com/

https://twitter.com/saddetective
I have just finished reading through the first link Get'em and am in tears of both anger and sorrow.
It is plain to see that corruption in the police force is par for the course and not just with the cases they investigate but within their own ranks.

These blogs have certainly opened my eyes Nina. If it wasn't for the internet how would we get to know about the scale of suffering of those who chose a career to protect and serve, yet had no protection in return?

My own daughter, who I'm immensely proud of for the job she does, is a Child Protection Detective with Cambridgeshire Police and I hope to God she never has the need to write a blog like any of these.

by sallypelt 19.05.17 20:33

willowthewisp wrote:
Verdi wrote:
JRP wrote:
So Ronnie Kray now had two politicians in his pocket, one a Conservative Peer Lord Boothby, and one a Labour MP Tom Dryburgh who also had connections to the press.
The Krays and their crime syndicate had more than a couple of politicians in their pocket. They also rubbed shoulders with high profile celebrities, like Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland and Diana Dors - if I remember rightly even good old national treasure Barbara Windsor had a dabble.

In the 60's the Krays were looked on as celebrities themselves. Amazing they ended up behind bars - just shows you, it can be done with perseverance!
Hi Verdi,JRP,Re;Krays. I have watched the Film of the Krays,Billy Whielaw,Martin,Gary Kemp etc.
Now I do not mind if a film depicts life's events,but"Over the Top"scenarios of violence are to"Glamorize"them,other than depict them as thugs,using violence to obtain funds from"Protection Racketeer"causing even more hardship for families in their Area,it was OK to do this survival of the Fittest?
The story vaguely touched on the"Mental Torture"affecting the Wife of one of the Kray's,but not the torture they inflicted upon their victims families?
Do not forget the unsolved Murder of Bernard,who was introduced to the Kray's friends by Kitty Webb,who had close links to Miranda,who had"Freebies"in Tuscany,Barbados,Portugal with his wife?

And Willow, let's not forget Princess Margaret's connections with John Bindon and the London underworld

http://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/83935/The-Princess-the-gangster-and-a-royal-cover-up

by JRP 19.05.17 21:44

Thank you @Patience for pointing out my error in spelling Driberg, and apologies to the whole Dryburgh family for dragging you into this sordid story big grin

I've followed the links to these police blogs and they contain harrowing stories, the Jack and Diane one stands out in particular.
There's an underlying arrogance in high ranking officers, born from their own belief that the police are indeed untouchable, they think they can operate above the law, and in certain cases they obviously do.

Surely the answer is to treat complaints seriously, and investigate them to a proper conclusion. In doing so, the public and their officers would have more respect if they were truly transparent in all dealings, honest and open.
If they can cover up internal complaints by simply ignoring them, then what confidence can we have in them investigating anything?
No wonder some of these retired detectives spout complete bull$£!7 and expect us to believe their ridiculous theories, when they're whole working environment rotates around bullying each other into submission like children in a playground.

by Verdi 20.05.17 0:26

Mental illness is such a difficult subject to broach, whilst I have every respect for the specialists in the field, I believe much of the theorizing and resultant treatment plan is unknown territory for the patient and the specialist.

You can see a broken leg, you can see a scan or x-ray, you can see an ECG but you can't see what's going on in the brain. The experts think they can diagnose by wiring up the head with electrodes or whatever else but whilst that might signal specific brain function I can't see how it's possible to determine the specific illness or the cause. A rule of thumb through years of study and experience maybe but how can it ever be an accurate diagnosis of the type or cause of illness? You can't see it!

The symptoms of PTSD as described by depresseddetective are identical to the symptoms described by the medical profession for general anxiety disorder - again I ask, how is it possible to make an exact diagnosis when you can't see the symptoms.

Doctors get it wrong - I'm sure Messrs McCann can confirm that. You also have to bear in mind con-merchants who are after a fast buck or have an axe to grind. Not suggesting this is the case with depresseddetective, just highlighting the difficulties faced with diagnosing certain mental conditions.

by **Jill Havern** 20.05.17 7:23

GoodCopDown has had 73 new followers from #mccann since I posted his blog here a few days ago. thumbsup

Another former Greater Manchester Police officer now following me on twitter has tweeted this:

Good Cop Down: The reality of being a police whistleblower - Page 2 Wright10

https://twitter.com/johnwrighty

Wrighty has now had 33 new followers from #mccann

Good Cop Down: The reality of being a police whistleblower - Page 2 Wright11

by **Jill Havern** 20.05.17 9:06

Good Cop Down: The reality of being a police whistleblower - Page 2 Pete10

https://twitter.com/PeteJacksonGMP

by **Jill Havern** 20.05.17 10:33

Good Cop Down: The reality of being a police whistleblower - Page 2 Wright12

#mccann support thumbsup

by dogsdontlie 20.05.17 13:42

JRP wrote:There should be no reason why any police officer should be a member of a Masonic Lodge. There should be a law forbidding the Masonic membership accepting a police officer into the secretive ranks of the Masons, because it opens up a can of worms in regards to where their loyalties lie.
To put it simply, a crime is not investigated fully because of a secret friendship/allegiance born from membership of the Masons between he who committed the crime and he who should bring that person to book.

Anyway. I'm getting off topic, so I slap myself and go and do something else

Personally speaking I think raising the topic of Freemasonry is very much on topic. It's interesting how many cases of injustice, corruption, and worse, comprise leading players who are either Freemasons or who are connected with Freemasons, a notable example being a senior investigating officer in the Stephen Lawrence murder case who was also a member of the same lodge as the father of one of the suspects.

When a Mason, be they police officer, politician, whoever, is bound by oath to protect fellow Masons then, at the very least, this can so easily lead to a conflict of interest, and quite possibly far worse.

As for the lengths the police are prepared to go to when they feel threatened, the Daniel Morgan case is a frightening example.

by Liz Eagles 20.05.17 18:28

Having watched 'Three Girls' I have to say I'm lost as to the level of corruption within UK government and within the top ranks of UK police.

I look at the case of Madeleine McCann and see the same level of corruption, especially when Jim Gamble profers the opinion that it was a bit of cock-up organisationally and multi agencies were scattered and just too eager to help sort of thing.

Well sorry Jim, that ain't good enough.