The Possible Dry Run By The Alleged Abductor That Possibly Caused The Alleged Crying Incident.

Tony Bennett wrote:

whodunit wrote:

Maria wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

plebgate wrote:Morning Tony  -  This is what whodunnit said in one post at HDH:

The only rationale is that it did not happen and that s/he (whodunnit) had given proof. That sounded to me as though whodunnit was claiming it as a fact.

Hi plebgate,

whodunit's post was clearly based on a sound reasoning of logic - though that doesn't absolutely prove his conclusion was right.

The logical steps were:

1. Mrs Fenn was interviewed on 3 or 4 May

2. When interviewed on 20 August it was to give 'new evidence' i.e. re the crying incident and burglary

3. Ergo, she could not have mentioned this 'new evidence' when first questioned on 3 or 4 May.


Re the word 'rationale':

 
ra·tion·ale
ˌraSHəˈnal/
noun
noun: rationale; plural noun: rationales

Woo hoooo, so ar ya gonna give hideho the same support as you give this thing, Hdeho's post was based on even more reasoning sounding logic, no?  
Facts and logical thinking are much more believable than makebelieve.

<<  Kind of how I felt reading this post. Maria, regardless of how you feel about the quality of my logic, do you really mean to dehumanize me? No matter our various differences, I would still hope we can extend each other at least the small courtesy of ackowledging each other's humanity. Just so you know, I'm a woman with a wonderful husband of 34 years, 2 fabulous children, and 2 beautiful grandchildren. I am not some 'thing'.

What a truly appalling thing to say to a fellow member @ Maria.

I am afraid it is always the case than when a debater resorts to abuse of his/her opponent, and in this case making such a vile statement about a fellow-member, that they have lost the argument.

I am sure that when HideHo comes along in due course, she will support me and whodunit in outright condemnation of resorting to such vile abuse in support of her views.

whodunit wrote:@Ladyinred--I just read a post from you on my phone but as I open the forum on my desk top it is no longer there? I will say I do not support banning Maria for her remarks but am in favor of allowing her to respond to my post.

Thanks again @Tony Bennett for your support.

HelenMeg wrote:yes good spot - sometimes it seems to help to throw the spotlight on one of the tapas 9  and zoo in on them and their weaknesses

Doug D wrote:No, MO, green curtains & two windows (two panes of glass I suppose).




I don't think I have ever heard anyone describe panes of glass as windows

skyrocket wrote:Today's post on Russell O'Brien triggered a bit of lunch time reading of his Rog statement.

I'm posting on this thread because page 2 contains a post of mine which details why I think it's possible that the Mcs were actually staying in 5H and the Paynes in 5A, until a reversal just before the 'abduction' was exposed, for obvious logistical reasons i.e. abduction from the first floor would have been an even less believable scenario. 

Scanning through ROB's Rogatory today I came across the following possible slip of the tongue, much along the lines of Dianne Webster's (I've left the bit in about checking on Sunday night!):


 1578    “Did you get inside the holiday apartment'”
 Reply    “I’d been in, I’d been in their apartment twice, I think before, I don’t know on tape at least, but err I went, I did a visual check of the children on the Sunday night, entered through the patio door so I’d been in through that part of the door err that part of the building. Err I think until, actually until the night itself I don’t think I’d actually gone into their apartment again, err if there were lunches and things like that they were generally done in, in one of the other apartments, particularly Kate and, err Dave and Fi’s because it was so much bigger. 

skyrocket wrote:@MayMuse - good question. Can't be easy for any of them - remembering what they should and shouldn't be saying; what they have and haven't said in past statements. That's the problem with telling porky pies.

Stephen Carpenter was handed an envelope with a letter in it which he was asked to read before saying anything in his April 2008 interview. All he says after reading it is, "yes, that's fine."

Also, Paul Gordon, former 5A occupant intimates in his April 2008 statement that contact from the Mc camp (specifically Brian Kennedy and the Mcs themselves) had made it difficult for him to perhaps say what he wanted, he says, "There are certain times when I feel like a pawn in chess."

Re: the beds in 'Madeleine's" bedroom, if the Paynes were in 5A, I think Dianne could have been using the bed by the window with Lily in the single cot in the same room (Scarlet being in the second cot in the second bedroom, as described by Maria the cleaner). This could be the reason the cot locations is such a touchy subject for both the Mcs.

skyrocket wrote:@MayMuse

The interviewing officer, DC Sophie Ferguson of Leicestershire Police, gave Carpenter the letter.

I can't copy and paste easily on the tablet I'm using but if you google 'Eddie and Keela youtube' and click on the 1 hour 37 min video of Martin Grime's searches, the inside of 5H is shown about 2/3rds of the way in. I don't think the curtains were green, off the top of my head

Verdi wrote:I think it's important to question whether or not one truly believes that Gerry and Kate McCann left three very vulnerable young children alone leaving the patio door unlocked on the night of 3rd May, or any other night, to allow access for their friends to check on their children.  If you are in any doubt then who went in, when and why becomes an irrelevance.

If you believe they did leave the patio door unlocked, you then need to ask why they would do that.  There was no apparent reason for their friends to check their children when they were regularly checking themselves - especially when you consider the fact that the groups version of the checking event varied from one witness to the next.

Would you leave any door unlocked whilst you were out, day or night, at a holiday apartment or hotel room even without children therein?  I wouldn't.

HiDeHo is very meticulous - HiDeHo is looking for help in comparing statements for any one hour relating to 3rd May.  Help HiDeHo with her latest project and you will eventually see that not one of the Tapas groups account of events will tally with the others.  That is what HiDeHo is aiming to establish - far more constructive in my opinion than isolating random ramblings from witness statements that aren't even remotely coherent let alone believable.

MayMuse wrote:After you Verdi, you take an hour and I will; which time would you like?

tnb wrote:Why are some peeps getting their pants in a twist...THERE WAS NO DRY RUN......no need to discuss