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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.08.11 0:45

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.08.11 7:44

I dunno what to make of that - it's just a whole load of drivels to me that letter of theirs.

Looks like mccanns and Edward Smethurst are in it together to asphyxiate you financially like they did to Amaral.

How can mccanns innocent or not be on their say so?
Since when a crime against a child is determined by her parents when the evidence points otherwise?

And contrary to CR's belief no one can force a view on others.
They seemed to think your research material has the power to influence people's opinion, then by the same token kate's book should be able to influence people's opinion, then how is it they still have critics. They seemed to think people cant discern for themselves.

Just look at how they shut Pat Brown up, and she's a well known crime profiler. What more can one say?
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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.08.11 13:01

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Post by Gillyspot on 18.08.11 13:16

Well done Tony.



I think you have the right track because if not they won't stop till they close the forum, the PJ files and there is NOTHING allowed anywhere that says someone doubts there veracity. It seems a bit like the book 1984 at the moment!
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Post by lj on 18.08.11 13:24

but instead state as a fact that you believe

So we are not aloud to state our own believes anymore??

I know a few of dead dictators who are having a celebration wherever dead dictators go.

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Post by Big Vern on 18.08.11 14:01

@Gillyspot wrote:Well done Tony.



I think you have the right track because if not they won't stop till they close the forum, the PJ files and there is NOTHING allowed anywhere that says someone doubts there veracity. It seems a bit like the book 1984 at the moment!

They have so far gagged Amaral (albeit only temporarily), the UK media, Pat Brown, Tony Bennett and now they are on the warpath against blogs and forums with Twitter no doubt to follow.
It really does make you realise just how incrdibly supported they are by people higher up the food chain. Could the UK be any more corrupt?
How long will this madness go on for?

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Post by Gillyspot on 18.08.11 20:13

@Big Vern wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:Well done Tony.



I think you have the right track because if not they won't stop till they close the forum, the PJ files and there is NOTHING allowed anywhere that says someone doubts there veracity. It seems a bit like the book 1984 at the moment!

They have so far gagged Amaral (albeit only temporarily), the UK media, Pat Brown, Tony Bennett and now they are on the warpath against blogs and forums with Twitter no doubt to follow.
It really does make you realise just how incrdibly supported they are by people higher up the food chain. Could the UK be any more corrupt?
How long will this madness go on for?

Remember they also have parliament gagged or certainly being kept quiet. It has now been over a month since I wrote to my MP and NO Letter! When I wrote about Murdoch taking over Sky I got one in 3 days!
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Post by PeterMac on 18.08.11 21:31

Nice reply Tony.
We now have C-R making unfounded allegations against you, which could themselves be defamatory of you.

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Post by Gillyspot on 18.08.11 21:37

Interesting bit in the Daily Express in April (when funds were low).

"The book has been painstakingly produced. Kate has spoken widely to friends and family to make sure her recollection of events is precise. Emma Loach, the daughter of the film-maker Ken Loach, has also become a close friend and adviser. She has made two television documentaries about the McCanns, and is a regular visitor to the McCanns’ home in Rothley in Leicestershire.
There has also been input from the Tapas Seven, the group of friends on holiday with the McCanns when Madeleine was abducted on the evening of May 3, 2007. They were dining with the McCanns when Madeleine vanished and have stayed loyal throughout.
The libel law firm Carter Ruck has been through the manuscript. Friends and acquaintances suggest that Kate will “want to settle scores” – particularly with the Portuguese police, who investigated the disappearance and became convinced, wrongly, the child’s parents were involved.
“She does not forgive what they put her through,” says one friend. “Kate is a strong woman and she knows what is right and what is wrong.”"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/8440440/Hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-the-next-chapter.html
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Post by lj on 18.08.11 22:31

I can't believe Carter Ruck went through the book, if so they should ask their money back!

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Post by Gillyspot on 18.08.11 22:41

I found that interesting in my link but also the bit about "Kate will “want to settle scores” would that be what she is trying to do now?
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Post by lj on 19.08.11 0:11

Of course she is settling scores, but they not settled yet.
Wait til the truth comes out Kate!

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.08.11 1:32

@PeterMac wrote:Nice reply Tony.
We now have C-R making unfounded allegations against you, which could themselves be defamatory of you.

When they push their luck too far and overstep their mark as solicitors of course they can be reported to the law society. It's their duty to advise their clients accordingly to not accuse TB unnecessary and demand to shut TB voice.
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Post by aiyoyo on 19.08.11 1:47

Friends and acquaintances suggest that Kate will “want to settle scores”
– particularly with the Portuguese police, who investigated the
disappearance and became convinced, wrongly, the child’s parents were
involved.

Birds of same feather springs to mind because what kind of friends would suggest to a distraught mum to settle score! Besides how many people who didn't cooperate with the police thereby hampering their investigation would dare to settle score with police.

I dare her to take the steps to sue the PJ and if she has the balls I will eat my pc. It's only Amaral they bully because they want his book suppressed but taking on the entire Portugal judiciary system would open up a can of worms that might just fulfil kate's suicidal action.
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Post by Guest on 19.08.11 9:59

To paraphrase that old saying, there's no hell like a woman scorned or, in Kate's case, like a woman who's been rumbled!



You live and learn - the full quote is actually "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned nor hell a fury like a woman scorned" - and it was written not by William Shakespeare but by William Congreve - who??
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Post by pennylane on 19.08.11 12:02

It's about time law enforcement "settled some scores" with Kate and Gerry McCann. Their ludicrous version of events rings a multitude of alarm bells in anyone with an ounce of logic.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.08.11 15:29

Law enforcement dont settle score they get justice for victim. Hopefully when the comes up soon it will all be over for mccanns.

The trial will revisit evidence against them and when they lost it to Amaral, they can forget about shutting people up claiming defamation for obvious reason.
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Post by pennylane on 19.08.11 16:21

@aiyoyo wrote:Law enforcement dont settle score they get justice for victim. Hopefully when the comes up soon it will all be over for mccanns.

The trial will revisit evidence against them and when they lost it to Amaral, they can forget about shutting people up claiming defamation for obvious reason.

Law enforcement are supposed to gain justice for victims and lock away the criminals. Sadly for a variety of reasons, including police corruption and political interference, that is not always the case.

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Post by jd on 20.08.11 0:39

Don't you think that by saying "have scores to settle" is a term of threatening behaviour, which can easily grow into libellous comments. If we are being analysed on our words.......lets analyse theirs

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Post by jd on 20.08.11 12:51

Does anybody know if Pat Brown was told exactly what it was that they thought was defamatory in her book?

Which sentences, paragraphs, chapters etc?

I know She/Amazon got the broad letter which never said exactly what was scaring them

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Post by lj on 20.08.11 13:20

I don't think Amazon was ever specific and it suggested that CR & Pat should work it out.


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Post by jd on 20.08.11 13:51

I can't remember if I saw a letter from carter ruck a few weeks that Pat put up which explained what was meant to be defamatory. Been searching now but can't seem to find one from Pat and Im interested to know what is it exactly that is the problem. I am going to a place which has free speech so can read it

Like the letters sent to Tony, you can't just send libel letters with broad brush stokes accusations....they have to be very specific with what they are objecting to and tell you exactly what they are word for word....

I haven't seen letters to this required level anywhere so far

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Post by lj on 20.08.11 14:47

Carter Ruck has the advantage they can outlast most private persons, so they don't have to obey by the rule.

Their actions go against what would/should be the basis of any judicial system: that both parties have equal "playing fields". So they don't care: they just write whatever they feel like knowing the other party does not have the means to challenge it. Even big companies choose not to challenge because in the end it is cheaper to settle than to fight.


It is highly unethical, but with their clout I doubt any bar would care. Maybe an organizations for human rights could be interested, after all it does not only affect Tony but it goes for all free speech. They will probably only listen to somebody, something that screams as loud as they. It has nothing to do with reason. Just look at the sentence that says that the post from Tony has to be removed where he says that he believes that the parents are involved (paraphrased, sorry to lazy to find it). It is just to crazy for words that a person cannot express his believes, but all the same they have the gall to demand it be removed.

Last but not least: they must be very happy with Kate and Gerry. They might very well believe that they are in it to over their ears, that does not matter. They have had free advertising for 4 years now, and look how many clients it brought them. Even this with Tony will have some potential clients think: "look they can shut anyone they want up". They will never let the McCanns go, it's better than a nightly commercial, it cost nothing plus brings in revenues.

Maybe I am a defeatist, although that is not normally my attitude, but I don't think reasoning with Carter Ruck will help. I think the only chance of shutting them up is get an organization with a lot of publicity to speak out. And that is wishful thinking, I am afraid.

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Post by jd on 20.08.11 16:14

I agree with what you are saying and this indeed is what is happening...Amazon just ran to the hills and probably didn't read the letter after seeing the headed paper

But this is not the point and their issue. If CR & their clients are issuing libel letters then they have to back this up with the actual text they are objecting to the defendant. And they have to remember that in this case, the text quoted are from actual police investigation files/media press reports etc that are released into the public domain for all to view and discuss from

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