The latest news: there is no news!

by Okeydokey 09.03.14 1:08

I have mentioned that before that the periods of silence on the McCann case in the UK media are puzzling.

Newspapers are not noted for avoiding stories that increase sales.

We had a flurry of nonsense "closing in" stories over a couple of months but for the last couple of weeks we have had nothing. Is this the Met obeying the PJ's instruction that no stories should appear in the press? Perhaps, but we've had similar periods of silence before. I think possibly it is more an indication of some informal system of control perhaps co-ordinated by the Press Complaints Commission (we know they send out advisory notes).

Whatever, as before, this period of silence makes absolutely no sense.

by ultimaThule 09.03.14 2:49

I see it as a sign that no date has yet been set for the resumption of the libel trial big grin

but as it seems that every possible combination of suspects, both dead and alive, and tales of disharmony between PJ and NSY and their allegedly 'separate' investigations, have been spun to death I'm agog to know what the family source has got left to report when/if the trial does eventually resume.

by Bishop Brennan 09.03.14 3:29

It is indeed unusual. Of course it could simply be a period of deliberate calm with the PR dept realising that by churning so many ridiculous stories, they had started to lose the public. It did happen very suddenly though. We had BHH and his "we know their names" broadcast, the public rebuke from the PJ and then nothing.

Perhaps Team McCann simply got it wrong by firing off all their ammo during the libel trial - expecting it to come to a conclusion - and were wrong-footed by its indefinite adjournment. The public's memory is notoriously short, so they may need to load back up again if the trial ever restarts.

by sonic72 09.03.14 5:34

It's all farcical 'news' anyway!

I'm coming to the conclusion that people are wasting their time on this case, all the time spent on forums etc, for what? Nothing!

by Guest 09.03.14 8:29

I think the "Private Eye" piece posted by PeterMac is significant and correctly highlights all the other rubbish published recently. It's a satirical mag, not news or MSM, but it's good to see the case featured in the Eye.

by **PeterMac** 09.03.14 8:57

Ladyinred wrote:I think the "Private Eye" piece posted by PeterMac is significant and correctly highlights all the other rubbish published recently. It's a satirical mag, not news or MSM, but it's good to see the case featured in the Eye.

Now and again they have let things through over the last few years.
They do have a lot of information already, and they have their own informants in many places.

by **tigger** 09.03.14 8:57

sonic72 wrote:It's all farcical 'news' anyway!

I'm coming to the conclusion that people are wasting their time on this case, all the time spent on forums etc, for what? Nothing!

Aye, we're doomed, we're all doomed.....!, beware

by Cristobell 09.03.14 9:01

sonic72 wrote:It's all farcical 'news' anyway!

I'm coming to the conclusion that people are wasting their time on this case, all the time spent on forums etc, for what? Nothing!

Not a waste of time at all. This case hasn't been put to bed, or filed away with the McCanns lording it over us as childcare experts. Whilst the McCanns scuppered the PJ investigation, forums such as this scuppered their Fund, their political aspirations and their wider agenda. No wonder they hate us.

by **PeterMac** 09.03.14 9:25

Cristobell wrote:
Not a waste of time at all. This case hasn't been put to bed, or filed away with the McCanns lording it over us as childcare experts. Whilst the McCanns scuppered the PJ investigation, forums such as this scuppered their Fund, their political aspirations and their wider agenda. No wonder they hate us.

NOR EVER WILL BE until the truth, whatever that might be, is known.
They have managed to grab more than a quarter of one OAP's pension, but they cannot do that to us all.
And the more we discuss and cross reference, the more insights we get, and the more documents are prepared, argued over, discussed, improved, and submitted to Grange, the PJ and to Dr Amaral.
As you say, no wonder they hate us. Or perhaps more accurately FEAR us.

They know we know about the Last Photo, about the weather, about the creche sheets, about the dogs, about the book . . .

by bobbin 09.03.14 9:30

PeterMac wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
Not a waste of time at all. This case hasn't been put to bed, or filed away with the McCanns lording it over us as childcare experts. Whilst the McCanns scuppered the PJ investigation, forums such as this scuppered their Fund, their political aspirations and their wider agenda. No wonder they hate us.

NOR EVER WILL BE until the truth, whatever that might be, is known.
They have managed to grab more than a quarter of one OAP's pension, but they cannot do that to us all.
And the more we discuss and cross reference, the more insights we get, and the more documents are prepared, argued over, discussed, improved, and submitted to Grange, the PJ and to Dr Amaral.
As you say, no wonder they hate us. Or perhaps more accurately FEAR us.

They know we know about the Last Photo, about the weather, about the creche sheets, about the dogs, about the book . . .

And I love the word that Cristobel used "scuppered".
It's got such a sonorous ring about it, and can be applied, I think, to Pinkie and his hopes for Brighton.
Let's put it this way, if after the competition has received the essence of information available (thanks PeterMac for that foresight) and Pinkie still gets to become an MP, then it will be nothing less than Brighton deserves, big grin

by sami 09.03.14 9:38

sonic72 wrote:It's all farcical 'news' anyway!

I'm coming to the conclusion that people are wasting their time on this case, all the time spent on forums etc, for what? Nothing!

For what ? To find a little girl, whose parents happily announced to the world they abandoned her alone in the dark, night after night, to facilitate their own social life. To find a little girl who is still alone, still in the dark. Nobody deserves that, least of all an innocent three year old child.

There are people who know what happened to this missing child. They have, so far, covered that up. That cover up has been facilitated by others. That cannot be allowed to continue.

So that's what it's for. Contrary to what they would like to believe, this is not about Kate Healy and Gerry McCann. It is about the child they neglected to bring home with them from holiday. IMO.

by Watching 09.03.14 9:39

Cristobell wrote:
sonic72 wrote:It's all farcical 'news' anyway!

I'm coming to the conclusion that people are wasting their time on this case, all the time spent on forums etc, for what? Nothing!

Not a waste of time at all. This case hasn't been put to bed, or filed away with the McCanns lording it over us as childcare experts. Whilst the McCanns scuppered the PJ investigation, forums such as this scuppered their Fund, their political aspirations and their wider agenda. No wonder they hate us.

Exactly Cristobell. Mr & Mrs have been hit hardest where it hurts them most, the Fund! The 'Cash for the McCanns' Fund, aka the Madeleine Fund, is their baby, their priority. Dwindling funds must cause them sleepless nights. Dwindling donations a clear indicator that many no longer support them, and those who still do, are not as confident in them as they once were, not confident enough to part with their cash, to pay for a lifestyle for Mr & Mrs and all their hangers -on. Any right minded person who has followed this case would not encourage Mr & Mrs further by financially supporting their farce. Mr, his pockets made a little lighter will have to go back to the drawing board to figure out a way to finance his wider agenda! - Truly Awful Judy on twitter (their last man standing) might bail them out, if in between tweets she processes a bank transfer!

by Ollie 09.03.14 9:49

sami wrote:

For what ? To find a little girl, whose parents happily announced to the world they abandoned her alone in the dark, night after night, to facilitate their own social life. To find a little girl who is still alone, still in the dark. Nobody deserves that, least of all an innocent three year old child.

There are people who know what happened to this missing child. They have, so far, covered that up. That cover up has been facilitated by others. That cannot be allowed to continue.

So that's what it's for. Contrary to what they would like to believe, this is not about Kate Healy and Gerry McCann. It is about the child they neglected to bring home with them from holiday. IMO.

Excellent post Sami.

by squeaker 09.03.14 9:50

Very well said, Sami. I agree entirely. There ARE people who know what happened to Madeleine. With regards to "getting away" with whatever happened, the McCanns are in a far worse position than they were seven years ago, so this is NOT going to go away until it is solved IMO.

by **PeterMac** 09.03.14 9:52

Could it be that finally the McCanns have realised what a liability Mitchell has been, and what long lasting damage he has done to them ?
Specifically the whole Last Photo fiasco has his fingerprints all over it, and now that Grange and the PJ know it is not right, they may realise that his actions were ill-advised and regret ever having listened to him.
Think of his "ludicrous lies" about their not having watches at the Tapas bar, about the shutters, and about the Fund,
on each of which he has had to backtrack (which is a euphemism for admit he was lying !)

Without Mitchell the might just be a few more people who still might believe the McCanns.
With Mitchell, there can be no sentient being who does not know know that their entire story is shot through with blatant and proveable untruths.

by Cristobell 09.03.14 10:22

Watching wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
sonic72 wrote:It's all farcical 'news' anyway!

I'm coming to the conclusion that people are wasting their time on this case, all the time spent on forums etc, for what? Nothing!

Not a waste of time at all. This case hasn't been put to bed, or filed away with the McCanns lording it over us as childcare experts. Whilst the McCanns scuppered the PJ investigation, forums such as this scuppered their Fund, their political aspirations and their wider agenda. No wonder they hate us.

Exactly Cristobell. Mr & Mrs have been hit hardest where it hurts them most, the Fund! The 'Cash for the McCanns' Fund, aka the Madeleine Fund, is their baby, their priority. Dwindling funds must cause them sleepless nights. Dwindling donations a clear indicator that many no longer support them, and those who still do, are not as confident in them as they once were, not confident enough to part with their cash, to pay for a lifestyle for Mr & Mrs and all their hangers -on. Any right minded person who has followed this case would not encourage Mr & Mrs further by financially supporting their farce. Mr, his pockets made a little lighter will have to go back to the drawing board to figure out a way to finance his wider agenda! - Truly Awful Judy on twitter (their last man standing) might bail them out, if in between tweets she processes a bank transfer!

While the Fund was stacking up the McCanns were relatively safe, they could buy their way to freedom one way or another. I don't think they have any backers left, and I don't think there is much, if anything left in the Fund. We don't know what the Fund topped at its peak, but it looked as though it was heading for £3m in 2007. By November 2010, they were broke enough to launch their ill fated Petition for a Review, complete with paypal button. They sent out begging letters to the usual recipients and gave us an itemised breakdown of what 'our' donations pay for, eg. £1 will keep a third world call centre operator chained to the 'hotline' for 24 hours, £10 for 100 posters and that kind of thing.

Gerry and Kate are big, big spenders. Their campaign to keep themselves high profile has been on par with that of a Presidential candidate. High flying lawyers, corporate PR agencies both here and in Portugal. Calls to the press: 'We're going to be on Flight ****** Be on it!' How many good quality wristbands must they sell to finance that kind of lifestyle?

I think they are broke, and heading for financial disaster. Losing such a high profile libel trial will be catastrophic for the MCanns. Looking at the case of the odious historian David Irving, he was ordered to pay costs in the region of £2m+ in 2002. We can only imagine the amount of costs accumulated in the McCanns case in Lisbon thus far. There are three defendants, each with their own legal team and none of them will back down. The party's over for the McCanns at every turn, not only will the Libel trial wipe them out financially, as a trial, it can be reported in the British press without the usual gagging that has gone on.

Looking at the case of OJ Simpson. His life was far from peaceful after that incredible 'Not Guilty' verdict, the family of Ron Goldman pursued him through the Civil Courts, and the loss of his fortune led to spiralling downfall and eventually prison. Ditto Al Capone, finally put away for failure to pay his taxes.

by Cristobell 09.03.14 10:29

PeterMac wrote:Could it be that finally the McCanns have realised what a liability Mitchell has been, and what long lasting damage he has done to them ?
Specifically the whole Last Photo fiasco has his fingerprints all over it, and now that Grange and the PJ know it is not right, they may realise that his actions were ill-advised and regret ever having listened to him.
Think of his "ludicrous lies" about their not having watches at the Tapas bar, about the shutters, and about the Fund,
on each of which he has had to backtrack (which is a euphemism for admit he was lying !)

Without Mitchell the might just be a few more people who still might believe the McCanns.
With Mitchell, there can be no sentient being who does not know know that their entire story is shot through with blatant and proveable untruths.

As fascinating as this case has been thus far, I think it is only a prelude for what is to come. Will the McCanns turn on Mitchell? Indeed, will they turn on each other? Will the McCanns and the Healys become Families at War? As there doesn't seem to a shred of honour or decency among any of them, there could be trouble ahead!

by Cristobell 09.03.14 12:19

Bishop Brennan wrote:It is indeed unusual. Of course it could simply be a period of deliberate calm with the PR dept realising that by churning so many ridiculous stories, they had started to lose the public. It did happen very suddenly though. We had BHH and his "we know their names" broadcast, the public rebuke from the PJ and then nothing.

Perhaps Team McCann simply got it wrong by firing off all their ammo during the libel trial - expecting it to come to a conclusion - and were wrong-footed by its indefinite adjournment. The public's memory is notoriously short, so they may need to load back up again if the trial ever restarts.

I think all the contingency plans for the libel trial have fallen through.

1) Goncalo Amaral dug his heels in and wouldn't pay up
2) All the spin in the world can't conjure up an abductor that doesn't exist.
3) If there were any evidence whatsoever that Madeleine were alive and findable and that the McCanns were not suspects, they would have used it as their slamdunk to claim the £1m+.

Something must be happening at the moment, trials, like investigations, must have a conclusion. Possibly, and I am speculating here, the Wardship of Madeleine may be a bigger issue than we thought. If the PJ are investigating a murder, then the McCanns' entire claim for damages is moot. By making Madeleine a party to the claim, it must be established if she is alive before she can benefit from her share of the lolly, or be faced with huge financial penalties if the claim is lost. In the event she turns up, will she handed a massive legal bill?

But in a nutshell, do the McCanns have the right to make a claim on her behalf, given that they passed their parental (protection) responsibilities to the Courts? (That is my understanding of Ward of Court, but please correct me if I am wrong). If this is the legal point they are stuck on, we can only wonder why no-body questioned the Writ when proceedings were issued.

More likely I think, is that evidence has emerged that proves Madeleine is dead. Whatever evidence the Portuguese police presented to the AG was enough to have the investigation re-opened. Goncalo Amaral, an amiable chap, probably has friends within the PJ who are telling him what is really going on. Whilst it is honourable of him to keep silent where the press and the McCann watchers are concerned, it would be madness for him and his lawyer to keep the information from the Judge.

This eerie silence is bizarre, and shows us, in a weird way, just how much spinning the McCann Media Machine has done over the past 7 years. Up until now, they have managed at least one McCann story a week!

by Nina 09.03.14 12:27

PeterMac wrote:Could it be that finally the McCanns have realised what a liability Mitchell has been, and what long lasting damage he has done to them ?
Specifically the whole Last Photo fiasco has his fingerprints all over it, and now that Grange and the PJ know it is not right, they may realise that his actions were ill-advised and regret ever having listened to him.
Think of his "ludicrous lies" about their not having watches at the Tapas bar, about the shutters, and about the Fund,
on each of which he has had to backtrack (which is a euphemism for admit he was lying !)

Without Mitchell the might just be a few more people who still might believe the McCanns.
With Mitchell, there can be no sentient being who does not know know that their entire story is shot through with blatant and proveable untruths.

Peter Mac, your comment about the last photo. This photograph has been discussed ever since it was released but I have never seen that Grange and the PJ know it is not right. Are you at liberty to tell us what you mean?

by TheTruthWillOut 09.03.14 12:39

Nina wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Could it be that finally the McCanns have realised what a liability Mitchell has been, and what long lasting damage he has done to them ?
Specifically the whole Last Photo fiasco has his fingerprints all over it, and now that Grange and the PJ know it is not right, they may realise that his actions were ill-advised and regret ever having listened to him.
Think of his "ludicrous lies" about their not having watches at the Tapas bar, about the shutters, and about the Fund,
on each of which he has had to backtrack (which is a euphemism for admit he was lying !)

Without Mitchell the might just be a few more people who still might believe the McCanns.
With Mitchell, there can be no sentient being who does not know know that their entire story is shot through with blatant and proveable untruths.
Peter Mac, your comment about the last photo. This photograph has been discussed ever since it was released but I have never seen that Grange and the PJ know it is not right. Are you at liberty to tell us what you mean?

And if CM is responsible, why hasn't he been arrested and charged with something like Perverting the course of justice?

This is what frustrates me the most about this case. So many people on this forum alone have presented info/evidence to Grange/PJ and yet nothing seems to happen even after years.. dontgetit

by Guest 09.03.14 13:06

[quote="Nina"]

PeterMac wrote:
Peter Mac, your comment about the last photo. This photograph has been discussed ever since it was released but I have never seen that Grange and the PJ know it is not right. Are you at liberty to tell us what you mean?

The fact that it wasn't available on the evening of the 3/5/2007 should be reason enough, I think.

by **PeterMac** 09.03.14 13:34

Nina wrote:
Peter Mac, your comment about the last photo. This photograph has been discussed ever since it was released but I have never seen that Grange and the PJ know it is not right. Are you at liberty to tell us what you mean?

What I mean is that Grange and the PJ, and incidentally Dr Amaral have had a very detailed set of documents about the photo, including the bits I have revealed here, weather reports, and so on, but an awful lot more, which show very clearly what happened, with timings, dates, and people, . And not only from me, incidentally.

by **PeterMac** 09.03.14 14:10

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Nina wrote:
. . the last photo. This photograph has been discussed ever since it was released but I have never seen that Grange and the PJ know it is not right. Are you at liberty to tell us what you mean?

The fact that it wasn't available on the evening of the 3/5/2007 should be reason enough, I think.

Nor was it included in the book !

by TheTruthWillOut 09.03.14 14:23

PeterMac wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Nina wrote:
. . the last photo. This photograph has been discussed ever since it was released but I have never seen that Grange and the PJ know it is not right. Are you at liberty to tell us what you mean?

The fact that it wasn't available on the evening of the 3/5/2007 should be reason enough, I think.
Nor was it included in the book !

That really is a shocker.

by Guest 09.03.14 14:47

sonic72 wrote:It's all farcical 'news' anyway!

I'm coming to the conclusion that people are wasting their time on this case, all the time spent on forums etc, for what? Nothing!

Isn't that exactly what the McCanns want you to think?

Even the simplest post on this forum isn't "nothing". For the McCanns, every post (barring the occasional disruption) is an annoyance that at best irritates and at worst deeply wounds.

Think of us as a wasp nest situated out of the McCanns reach and control - one wasp got too close and was swatted but the rest of us keep buzzing around being a nuisance.

False stories and whitewashes won't get rid of us wasps they just make us angry and nobody wants a swarm of angry wasps.
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