Where could "Smith-man" have been heading? (OR: Was there ever a "Smith-man"?)
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Re: Where could "Smith-man" have been heading? (OR: Was there ever a "Smith-man"?)
Thanks Candyfloss, I hadn't seen that thread yet.candyfloss wrote:Here...nobodythereeither wrote:What do you mean? Have I missed something?Silver Shuffle wrote:Sounds like Smithman is going to be a deceased ex employee of the Ocean Club, according to CM this morning....
Could you expand on that? Thanks!
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8351p160-pj-searches-for-maddie-s-body-again
Oh dear, more reading .....
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Re: Where could "Smith-man" have been heading? (OR: Was there ever a "Smith-man"?)
as its relevant to this thread thought id reiterate my post on the other thread regarding 'speculation' on developments regarding 'Smithman':
My take on the Smithman development (if it can be called that)
1. This does not come from PJ, no identity would be revealed, there is a secrecy order on any developments
2. As both SY and PJ have been doing reviews and sharing information, Smithman sighting has been known about at least 2 years by both, but was not seen by itself as significant enough to warrant an immediate reopening
3. PJ said in April 2012 that there was no intention of reopening at that time, it would only be reopened on significant evidence, not hypothesis..IMO the evidence that caused the reopening to be allowed, is more then just Smithman...I think, even with damning evidence, every other possibility has to be accounted for. Tannerman is said to be accounted for..maybe now Smithman may have been identified and accounted for? Anyone want to offer another sighting of some other abductor??? No?? Then lets get to the truth shall we? Maybe?
Im sorry if this has been covered already, my pc is playing up a bit and pages are taking an age to load
My take on the Smithman development (if it can be called that)
1. This does not come from PJ, no identity would be revealed, there is a secrecy order on any developments
2. As both SY and PJ have been doing reviews and sharing information, Smithman sighting has been known about at least 2 years by both, but was not seen by itself as significant enough to warrant an immediate reopening
3. PJ said in April 2012 that there was no intention of reopening at that time, it would only be reopened on significant evidence, not hypothesis..IMO the evidence that caused the reopening to be allowed, is more then just Smithman...I think, even with damning evidence, every other possibility has to be accounted for. Tannerman is said to be accounted for..maybe now Smithman may have been identified and accounted for? Anyone want to offer another sighting of some other abductor??? No?? Then lets get to the truth shall we? Maybe?
Im sorry if this has been covered already, my pc is playing up a bit and pages are taking an age to load
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Kind of puzzled by this comment. Surely they've known about this 'new evidence' since the Smiths came forward in 2007?thetruthbeknown wrote:as its relevant to this thread thought id reiterate my post on the other thread regarding 'speculation' on developments regarding 'Smithman':
My take on the Smithman development (if it can be called that)
1. This does not come from PJ, no identity would be revealed, there is a secrecy order on any developments
2. As both SY and PJ have been doing reviews and sharing information, Smithman sighting has been known about at least 2 years by both, but was not seen by itself as significant enough to warrant an immediate reopening
3. PJ said in April 2012 that there was no intention of reopening at that time, it would only be reopened on significant evidence, not hypothesis..IMO the evidence that caused the reopening to be allowed, is more then just Smithman...I think, even with damning evidence, every other possibility has to be accounted for. Tannerman is said to be accounted for..maybe now Smithman may have been identified and accounted for? Anyone want to offer another sighting of some other abductor??? No?? Then lets get to the truth shall we? Maybe?
Im sorry if this has been covered already, my pc is playing up a bit and pages are taking an age to load
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I was refferring to the review..the Smiths statements had been taken and noted in 2007, but I think proceedings were mainly thwarted by PIs, McCanns and their spin, the focus was deliberately guided to Tannerman. The case was shelved because of the lack of evidence, which I believe was hampered.galena wrote:Kind of puzzled by this comment. Surely they've known about this 'new evidence' since the Smiths came forward in 2007?
But for the new 'efits' and the follow up of the Smith sighting, that had been established during the review. However, was not 'significant' enough for a reopening in 2012. IMO
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I have to say that if the efits are all they have it hardly seems worth re-opening the case. Efits done weeks later by witnesses who said at the time they wouldn't be able to identify the man they saw immediately afterwards?thetruthbeknown wrote:I was refferring to the review..the Smiths statements had been taken and noted in 2007, but I think proceedings were mainly thwarted by PIs, McCanns and their spin, the focus was deliberately guided to Tannerman. The case was shelved because of the lack of evidence, which I believe was hampered.galena wrote:Kind of puzzled by this comment. Surely they've known about this 'new evidence' since the Smiths came forward in 2007?
But for the new 'efits' and the follow up of the Smith sighting, that had been established during the review. However, was not 'significant' enough for a reopening in 2012. IMO
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Yes, I think there is some kind of damning evidence, against someone or maybe in another area? I doubt we would know at present..I have a feeling PJ would not have agreed to reopen without a feeling of it being a clear cut, and the Smith/efits etc were evidence im pretty sure was around when they said it was unlikely to reopen back in 2012. and as said, all other possiblities must be discarded and proved as to why they are not relevant..I would expect that to happen first before the final blow with the reopening..galena wrote:I have to say that if the efits are all they have it hardly seems worth re-opening the case. Efits done weeks later by witnesses who said at the time they wouldn't be able to identify the man they saw immediately afterwards?thetruthbeknown wrote:I was refferring to the review..the Smiths statements had been taken and noted in 2007, but I think proceedings were mainly thwarted by PIs, McCanns and their spin, the focus was deliberately guided to Tannerman. The case was shelved because of the lack of evidence, which I believe was hampered.galena wrote:Kind of puzzled by this comment. Surely they've known about this 'new evidence' since the Smiths came forward in 2007?
But for the new 'efits' and the follow up of the Smith sighting, that had been established during the review. However, was not 'significant' enough for a reopening in 2012. IMO
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Just been google earthing pdl, where smithman was sighted, tapas bar etc. [switched to satellite image] distances don't look that far, for someone who's fit, a trip one way with "something" and an unburdened return journey. Even at night by street lighting. To come back up around the tennis courts "puffing and panting/ distressed" at the right moment, not that hard.
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I have a gut feeling that one of the tapas have turned and together with the Smith sighting and phone records may be enough evidence?
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Gosh I hope you're Feeling is right... think with the they are definitely trying to bury Smithman!Spandex wrote:I have a gut feeling that one of the tapas have turned and together with the Smith sighting and phone records may be enough evidence?
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I think Smithman was sighted fairly near to where Sergey Malinka was living.
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Is it clear or "Clarrified" that Smithman and Flatman / Tractorman are supposed to be one and the same
or is the pink one trying to introduce yet another suspect.A ohoto of Tractorman whould help.
(I note that according to one account he originally came from the Cap Verde Islands - which suggests the colour of his skin might be at the extreme end of Swarthy !)
or is the pink one trying to introduce yet another suspect.A ohoto of Tractorman whould help.
(I note that according to one account he originally came from the Cap Verde Islands - which suggests the colour of his skin might be at the extreme end of Swarthy !)
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WHERE could Smithman/Tractorman have been heading?
Obviously, to the farm that his mate, ol' Macdonald, had!
Obviously, to the farm that his mate, ol' Macdonald, had!
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Nothing is clear in this casePeterMac wrote:Is it clear or "Clarrified" that Smithman and Flatman / Tractorman are supposed to be one and the same
or is the pink one trying to introduce yet another suspect.A ohoto of Tractorman whould help.
(I note that according to one account he originally came from the Cap Verde Islands - which suggests the colour of his skin might be at the extreme end of Swarthy !)
IMO I think tractorman is just another process of elimination of earlier theories/sightings
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So NOT a blonde Scandanavian 'LURKER' chap wearing BIGGGGG sunglasses?thetruthbeknown wrote:Nothing is clear in this casePeterMac wrote:Is it clear or "Clarrified" that Smithman and Flatman / Tractorman are supposed to be one and the same
or is the pink one trying to introduce yet another suspect.A ohoto of Tractorman whould help.
(I note that according to one account he originally came from the Cap Verde Islands - which suggests the colour of his skin might be at the extreme end of Swarthy !)
IMO I think tractorman is just another process of elimination of earlier theories/sightings
( I'll NEVER, EVER 'forget' those BIGGGGGG glasses, says 'witness')
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Think it would be something like this:PeterMac wrote:A ohoto of Tractorman whould help.
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Why does everyone assume that Smithman might have been taking M from 5a to a hiding place?
It's much more likely that she wandered off and was found close to where Smithman was spotted
ie everything is back-to-front
That means that K was genuinely surprised when she found her missing, which seems fair enough
Where was Smithman going? Maybe to a temporary hiding place, and eventually back to 5a when the initial search was over and everyone had gone home
That would allow the cadaverine time to develop and for the scent to accumulate after the body was placed behind the sofa
The best place to hide a body is the place that has already been thoroughly searched
It's much more likely that she wandered off and was found close to where Smithman was spotted
ie everything is back-to-front
That means that K was genuinely surprised when she found her missing, which seems fair enough
Where was Smithman going? Maybe to a temporary hiding place, and eventually back to 5a when the initial search was over and everyone had gone home
That would allow the cadaverine time to develop and for the scent to accumulate after the body was placed behind the sofa
The best place to hide a body is the place that has already been thoroughly searched
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So MM wandered off into the night, KM was genuinely surprised to find her gone and raised the alarm. Smithman then kills MM and - despite a huge and genuine police, public and then press furore - brings her body back to 5A and puts her behind sofa so that weeks later the dogs will alert?
Have I read your post right straightthinking?
Have I read your post right straightthinking?
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Inasmuch as I know the McCanns left 5A May 3 late night/early morning May 4 for the Payne's apartment and were allocated in another apartment at OC the next day. AFAIK they were escorted out of 5A with their belongings the morning of May 4. I've seen pictures of that. So WHEN could Madeleine's body have been hidden in 5A and NOT discovered by the PJ? I'm losing you ...
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Link here:
May 3 - May 4 timeline
May 3 - May 4 timeline
01:00 | The apartment was not cleared of searchers until 2am |
01:00 | The PJ arrived at 1am |
03:30 | By 3.30am the police had packed it in for the night. |
04:00 | Gerry went out at about 4am with David Payne, another of their group |
06:00 | Later, at about 6am, the McCanns went out alone and walked around the scrubland on the outskirts of the village |
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Oh, please. And by 3:30 am the PT police hadn't found anything behind the sofa ... ?
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I doubt there was anything behind the sofa before 3.30!
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***StraightThinking wrote:I doubt there was anything behind the sofa before 3.30!
O.K. Now you've lost me completely.
Good night :-)
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Oh dear, do try to keep up - the timeline shows a window of opportunity and you mentioned it yourself
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Just one go, before I turn into the silken sheets: AFAIK there was GNR and PJ on-site continuously.
It's just too late now to look for and dish up all of the GNR and PJ statements. Have a good night ...zzz ...
It's just too late now to look for and dish up all of the GNR and PJ statements. Have a good night ...zzz ...
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