Re: Sunday Express - ACCEPTED VERSION OF EVENTS IS WRONG and DAILYSTAR - WHAT YOU KNOW IS NOT THE TRUTH

by Smokeandmirrors 13.10.13 11:09

marxman wrote:On Sky news, Richard Branson has buggered off!

Sinking ship?

Que?

On his space mission?

Has he checked for a pair of lying stowaways in the baggage compartment?

by endgame 13.10.13 11:09

Woofer wrote:
Searcher wrote:The one possible benefit of such major discrepancies could be that the case HAS to be reopened?:please:
I`d love to know what`s going on in the PJ offices right now - this must be a bombshell to them.

Yes. What I would give for the PJ for once to make a public statement that SY are talking complete b*ll*cks and that they absolutely stand by everything they have said about the case or even better to withdraw their so called "support" for the "investigation".

by gbwales 13.10.13 11:13

Portia wrote:
melisande wrote:Looks like the McCanns have found a way not to go back to Lisbon in November. The libel case can't continue surely with all of this being thrown up. No wonder Isobel Duarte didn't turn up last week. What a mess! What was it Gerry said again, oh yes, "confusion is good" .......
It can go on and it will go on

Only the plaintiffs -if present & on the witness stand, under oath- could be asked some more pertinent questions

As in: where exactly did Dr. Amaral misrepresent your statements tot the PJ and the general public before he stepped down from the PJ investigation? Ah, but you now say you corrected these statements on Octover 14th 2013? How could he know this new version of events in 2007/8? Was he justified in presuming you and your lot spoke the truth, when the PJ was doing its utmost to put together the facts leading up to little Maddies disappearance? Oh, he presumed wrong, you now say?

Then WTF did you lie for, at a time when your child could still have been found and saved if you HAD told the truth?

Why did you obstruct justice, both in Portugal and in the UK, while telling the truth could have saved your little daughter?

Or was it indeed too late for saving her, as some have believed all along?

And if it was too late, and you did know this, all these years, then pray: where did you get the effrontry to attack, hound and sue those who ventured to say so?

Are you now going to reimburse those people?

No? Why not?

Well, there's hopefully a very opportune time to do this very soon....

by pennylane 13.10.13 11:14

Woofer wrote:
PeterMac wrote:"ACCEPTED VERSION OF EVENTS IS WRONG"

We NEVER accepted their version of events. That is the whole point. We could prove that it was wrong right from the start.
That must have been his `revelation` . "Ah ha ... that`s it .... the time line .... its wrong"

Light bulb moment for Andy! spit coffee

Wonder when he's going to have another epiphany and realise the entire abduction scenario is "wrong," and that the PJ's conclusions, and the specialist trained CSI blood and cadaver dogs are spot on!

Wake up and smell the manure Andy duh

by Hicks 13.10.13 11:14

Yes, a very strange thing to say that the loss of Madeleine is only really felt at family occasions, but then the McCann's have never failed in that department. I cannot comprehend the words GM spoke to PF when she leaned over the balcony and asked what was happening on the night of the disappearance, GM said,"a little girl is missing," and not, 'my daughter' is missing.
I am sure like any other 'normal' parent in the same position, I would miss my daughter every minute of every hour 24/7.

by jeanmonroe 13.10.13 11:16

So to sum up to date.

No cadavar scent. (not able to form between 8:30-10pm deadwoods new and only timeline)

Ergo Madeleine MUST be alive.

looking for 2 Germans that were speaking DUTCH. (to confuse any witnesses nearby)

Six 'new' PJ detectives totally contradicting their former entire police force 'evidence'

That explains WHY the 'new' PJ detectives.

Weren't the Met and LP in PDL just days after the 'event'?

So it's also taken THEM 6 years 5 months to get 'here'

And they are the BEST!

by Guest 13.10.13 11:16

Portia wrote:
melisande wrote:Looks like the McCanns have found a way not to go back to Lisbon in November. The libel case can't continue surely with all of this being thrown up. No wonder Isobel Duarte didn't turn up last week. What a mess! What was it Gerry said again, oh yes, "confusion is good" .......
It can go on and it will go on

Only the plaintiffs -if present & on the witness stand, under oath- could be asked some more pertinent questions

As in: where exactly did Dr. Amaral misrepresent your statements tot the PJ and the general public before he stepped down from the PJ investigation? Ah, but you now say you corrected these statements on Octover 14th 2013? How could he know this new version of events in 2007/8? Was he justified in presuming you and your lot spoke the truth, when the PJ was doing its utmost to put together the facts leading up to little Maddies disappearance? Oh, he presumed wrong, you now say?

Then WTF did you lie for, at a time when your child could still have been found and saved if you HAD told the truth?

Why did you obstruct justice, both in Portugal and in the UK, while telling the truth could have saved your little daughter?

Or was it indeed too late for saving her, as some have believed all along?

And if it was too late, and you did know this, all these years, then pray: where did you get the effrontry to attack, hound and sue those who ventured to say so?

Are you now going to reimburse those people?

No? Why not?

Yes, they have a lot of questions to answer. Just how many people's lives have been invaded and ruined because of the McCanns? From little girls around the world mistaken for Madeleine to Goncalo Amaral and his family . It has to stop soon. Maybe this is it now. As for reimbursement - that will never happen but maybe justice will.

by Searcher 13.10.13 11:18

The Mirror says of timeline: "focusing on a crucial 45 minutes before GM's check", as though it is key to the whole mystery. But that would be a separate 'timeline' issue to the 'last photo' and the tennis match? splat

by sweetex 13.10.13 11:19

Hicks wrote:Yes, a very strange thing to say that the loss of Madeleine is only really felt at family occasions, but then the McCann's have never failed in that department. I cannot comprehend the words GM spoke to PF when she leaned over the balcony and asked what was happening on the night of the disappearance, GM said,"a little girl is missing," and not, 'my daughter' is missing.
I am sure like any other 'normal' parent in the same position, I would miss my daughter every minute of every hour 24/7.

If this was twitter I would have retweeted it a 100 times if possible.

Talking about a "little girl missing" points to totally distancing yourself. As if there was never any kind of relationship.

by Guest 13.10.13 11:19

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
marxman wrote:On Sky news, Richard Branson has buggered off!

Sinking ship?
Que?

On his space mission?

Has he checked for a pair of lying stowaways in the baggage compartment?

That made me chuckle.

by jeanmonroe 13.10.13 11:22

Searcher wrote:The Mirror says of timeline: "focusing on a crucial 45 minutes before GM's check", as though it is key to the whole mystery. But that would be a separate 'timeline' issue to the 'last photo' and the tennis match?

15 MINUTES of that CRUCIAL 45 minutes the McCanns were IN the apartment!

GM 'check' 9:04pm

Wonder what THEY were up to IN the apartment?

by Guest 13.10.13 11:24

russiandoll wrote:Robert Nesbitt reported earlier from PdL and his voiceover said the same thing, the last photo which was used on a poster around PdL to publicise the disappearance.
It is true that he said this. What is in question is did he make a journalistic error or not?

Sky News seems to be saying the last photo was the tennis photo, how on earth have they turned it round, for the last six years it's been the pool photo. Tennis photo absolute lies, she wasn't there..

http://news.sky.com/story/1153765/madeleine-mccann-timeline-of-events-wrong

Since the Crimewatch story broke the MSM have been showing pool, tennis, playground, Everton photo's the iconic photo seems to have dropped down the list

The iconic photo is not a true image of Madeleine, the technique of airbrushing has been used on celebrity photo's to remove wrinkles, puffy eyes ect, imo this is what's been done to the iconic photo. Madeleine has been made into a photogenic child, a trademark they have made her look like a porcelain doll. How could anyone identify her from that photo. If the McCanns knew she could be found they would have issued a true image of Madeleine.

Does anyone know when the iconic photo first appeared?

by celtclogs 13.10.13 11:24

Woofer wrote:
MoonGoddess wrote:
candyfloss wrote:

Investigation significantly changes timeline says yard
I wondered if WRONG being in Yellow [colour of cowardice] might have some subliminal meaning..... but probably just me losing my mind
The colour of URINE maybe ?

by Monty Heck 13.10.13 11:27

aiyoyo wrote:If as reported SY are looking at the timeline between 8/30-10.00 pm on the 3rd there were enough movements from the group you would think they would have noticed the two foreign loiterers!

Besides, how could the Yard dismissed Gerry proud father moment after 9pm when he saw Madeleine in recovery position atop the cover ?

I think there's more to the Yard's story......

Narrowing the timeline from between 5.30 and 10.00pm to between only 8.30 and 10.00pm places SY squarely in opposition to the PJ's view that the window of opportunity included ample time for parental involvement. It will indeed be a revelation if this is what is being revealed on Monday's CW. We know from the files that the T9 claim to have been busy bobbing back and forth to the apartments between 8.30 and 10.00 and so would be in the best position to have spotted any lurkers, yet saw nothing which should present a significant problem to the version it seems is about to be unfolded.

It seems we are about to be presented with a version of events which goes against the facts contained in the files, obtained from sworn and signed witness statements and forensic evidence. It will be interesting to see the extent of "buy in" to these ideas if so. The fact of the official files being long withn the public domain should be problematic but will they be in fact? If we have SY ignoring solid and salient facts to support their thesis, who could speak against this with any authority? Internet nutters acquainted with the files and facts have been systematically discredited (LK, you have served your purpose well); the bumbling foreign PJ ditto. So if our brave boys in blue want to fiddle with timelines or other evidence following a lengthy and costly search of those same files and come up with an illogical, unworkable theory which requires to ignore evidence to reach it's conculsions, who is going to be believed? The events we are witnessing are monumental, the implications immense.

by susible 13.10.13 11:27

Sometimes I feel like I'm involved in some f***ed up 'social experiment'

Weirdly enough, when I have been totally stumped for answers that is precisely what I think...a mass observation exercise in How Much BS will people swallow...

But I am actually encouraged by these revelations...it proves to the world that the McCanns and their friends lied on the night and then continued to lie, specifically Kate in her book, and I have no idea how they can backtrack on that.

Interesting times ahead imo

by jeanmonroe 13.10.13 11:31

Will the delightful Lorraine Kelly be asking Mr anrd Mrs Mc THIS?.

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/daybreak
Lorraine ( Shirley 'Holmes' Nancy Disgrace Mk II ) Kelly
Interviewing Amanda Knox 23/09/2013. Daybreak ITV.

LK: Can you appreciate that people still raise questions about what actually happened?
Lie detector test
1hr 10mins 45secs
1hr 11mins 05secs
LK: "Amanda................you've been accused of telling all sorts of lies, would you be willing to take a lie detector test in order to just, hopefully, clear things up once and for all"..?

Lie detector test
1hr 11mins 49secs
1hr 11mins 55secs
LK: "so you would consider doing a lie detector test it would be something that you would think about"?

Wonder if Lorraine will be asking the McCanns, the next time they are sitting on her sofa begging for money, the same question about taking a lie detector test?
Only because there have been people that have questioned their version of events about what happened to their daughter and a lie detector test, hopefully, would clear things up once and for all, you understand.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE MCCANNS NEXT VISIT TO ITV DAYBREAK SHOW TO ANSWER LK's QUESTION about LIE DETECTOR..

by marxman 13.10.13 11:41

Hicks wrote:Yes, a very strange thing to say that the loss of Madeleine is only really felt at family occasions, but then the McCann's have never failed in that department. I cannot comprehend the words GM spoke to PF when she leaned over the balcony and asked what was happening on the night of the disappearance, GM said,"a little girl is missing," and not, 'my daughter' is missing.
I am sure like any other 'normal' parent in the same position, I would miss my daughter every minute of every hour 24/7.

Like being overdrawn in the bank and you can't withdraw your money! or similar
Gerry speak.

by Monty Heck 13.10.13 11:44

susible wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm involved in some f***ed up 'social experiment'
Weirdly enough, when I have been totally stumped for answers that is precisely what I think...a mass observation exercise in How Much BS will people swallow...

But I am actually encouraged by these revelations...it proves to the world that the McCanns and their friends lied on the night and then continued to lie, specifically Kate in her book, and I have no idea how they can backtrack on that.

Interesting times ahead imo

The u turn regarding the coloboma went unquestioned in the mainstream media. The PJ could be blamed for misinterpreting what was said to them, as easily as they were smeared over the interpretation of the forensics results. If SY are backing the McCs version of events despite the unanswered questions raised by the PJ investigation, then that will be the end of the matter for the vast majority of people. Even those fed up with the McCs PR bandwagon, or who think they were wrong leaving the children alone, or that too much time and money has been invested in the search for one child will fall into line with the establishment view. A few might be motivated to search further but on the whole the job will have been done so far as the UK is concerned.

by MoonGoddess 13.10.13 11:53

sorry a bit OT, but it shows it does go on...

Hillsborough: Freemason cops banned from working on criminal probe into cover-up

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hillsborough-freemason-cops-banned-working-2366200#ixzz2hb8x3YIg

wonder if those on Operation Grange have been vetted?

by windchime 13.10.13 11:53

Tell me we are not going to be told the timelines have moved an hour because they were all using KMs camera to tell the time and the last photo wasn't the last photo because the PJ got the two memory cards mixed up??

by susible 13.10.13 11:58

Monty Heck wrote:
susible wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm involved in some f***ed up 'social experiment'
Weirdly enough, when I have been totally stumped for answers that is precisely what I think...a mass observation exercise in How Much BS will people swallow...

But I am actually encouraged by these revelations...it proves to the world that the McCanns and their friends lied on the night and then continued to lie, specifically Kate in her book, and I have no idea how they can backtrack on that.

Interesting times ahead imo
The u turn regarding the coloboma went unquestioned in the mainstream media. The PJ could be blamed for misinterpreting what was said to them, as easily as they were smeared over the interpretation of the forensics results. If SY are backing the McCs version of events despite the unanswered questions raised by the PJ investigation, then that will be the end of the matter for the vast majority of people. Even those fed up with the McCs PR bandwagon, or who think they were wrong leaving the children alone, or that too much time and money has been invested in the search for one child will fall into line with the establishment view. A few might be motivated to search further but on the whole the job will have been done so far as the UK is concerned.

They can't blame the PJ for Kate's book though..she repeats all of the lies in there..No mention of Madeleine the ball girl, in fact a totally different tale is told by Kate herself, that's going to be kind of difficult to resolve

by mouse 13.10.13 12:01

Morning

Reading the headlines today about incorrect timelines - I think we all kinda thought this was going to happen. Even if you aren't up to speed on all the statements of who was supposedly where - it never made any sense to do a reconstruction from that utter pile. And for a while there I was teetering on going with the ...perhaps SY are luring the family/Tapas gang into a false sense of security, perhaps more wanting it to be so - but after seeing an excerpt for the Crimewatch programme - a young girl dressed as Madeleine running across the tennis court collecting balls......Well, for me, and anybody with a brain that has followed, or only vaguely followed this case - will conclude that this must be a whitewash. To have the BBC co-operating, wasting licence fee payers money on a reconstruction that was never in the original statements - you can only conclude that this has to be a whitewash. I suppose the government investigation money could pay for it, but then this is still misleading the public - which ever way you look at it. And as others have said - if this is new evidence - as it completely new to us - then surely the Mccanns and the Tapas gang should now be summoned to Portugal on the re-opening of the case.

And did Kate really sell her book, carefully edited as all books are and checked by in-house lawyers before going on sale, really not remember all this new information until now. Was she selling fiction instead of fact? And was the fund (surely that should be closed now) promoted by these photos (one of which is not the last photo now) set up to collect money based on an incorrect account of events that happened that week. Perhaps people who gave to the family -might want to know which is the real account? I know if I had given to the fund, or bought the book - I would feel pretty duped by now. On the positive though - don't you think anything they say from now on will be taken with a pinch of salt! On the other hand they are completely unreliable witnesses now - so I don't know where that leaves us.

It really would appear that Mr Amaral's book title becomes more and more apt by the day

by Hicks 13.10.13 12:02

susible wrote:
Monty Heck wrote:
susible wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm involved in some f***ed up 'social experiment'
Weirdly enough, when I have been totally stumped for answers that is precisely what I think...a mass observation exercise in How Much BS will people swallow...

But I am actually encouraged by these revelations...it proves to the world that the McCanns and their friends lied on the night and then continued to lie, specifically Kate in her book, and I have no idea how they can backtrack on that.

Interesting times ahead imo
The u turn regarding the coloboma went unquestioned in the mainstream media. The PJ could be blamed for misinterpreting what was said to them, as easily as they were smeared over the interpretation of the forensics results. If SY are backing the McCs version of events despite the unanswered questions raised by the PJ investigation, then that will be the end of the matter for the vast majority of people. Even those fed up with the McCs PR bandwagon, or who think they were wrong leaving the children alone, or that too much time and money has been invested in the search for one child will fall into line with the establishment view. A few might be motivated to search further but on the whole the job will have been done so far as the UK is concerned.
They can't blame the PJ for Kate's book though..she repeats all of the lies in there..No mention of Madeleine the ball girl, in fact a totally different tale is told by Kate herself, that's going to be kind of difficult to resolve

Don't worry susible, I expect the McSpinners are hard at work this very moment,

by endgame 13.10.13 12:05

From everything I have read and heard so far it seems to me that the most likely sequence of events is that SY first identified a pair of dodgy Germans for whom they do have some reasonably authoritative sightings - they talk about tracking their movements around Praia da Luz. Unfortunately for them, these sightings do not allow them to have been in the area of 5A in the vital 1 min 20 seconds allowed by current evidence for the "abduction". They have therefore had to spend months going back to "zero" and completely reconstructing the timeline so that an "abduction" could have taken place when the dodgy Germans were known to have been in that area. The sightings themselves are genuine which is why they have had to reconstruct everything else around them to make sure it fits or should that be fits up the Germans. SY are well practiced in this art, Barry George being a prime example.

by Angelique 13.10.13 12:09

Monty Heck wrote:The u turn regarding the coloboma went unquestioned in the mainstream media. The PJ could be blamed for misinterpreting what was said to them, as easily as they were smeared over the interpretation of the forensics results. If SY are backing the McCs version of events despite the unanswered questions raised by the PJ investigation, then that will be the end of the matter for the vast majority of people. Even those fed up with the McCs PR bandwagon, or who think they were wrong leaving the children alone, or that too much time and money has been invested in the search for one child will fall into line with the establishment view. A few might be motivated to search further but on the whole the job will have been done so far as the UK is concerned.

"The PJ could be blamed for misinterpreting what was said to them, as easily as they were smeared over the interpretation of the forensics results.'

But didn't the Tapas 9 all read their statements and confirmed they were correct and signed them. They can't all have had a "senior moment" can they?

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