OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

candyfloss wrote:Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 26m
On @@BBCRadioStoke talking about new developments in the #MadeleineMccann investigation

Newintown wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 26m
On @@BBCRadioStoke talking about new developments in the #MadeleineMccann investigation

I've just read Jim Gamble's interview from Radio 4 this morning on Joana's site (I don't know when it was actually recorded), I found it interesting (or maybe not to others) that he used the term "we are where we are" which are exactly the same words that GM used on Friday when he was being interviewed outside the Court.

Hmmm, have JG and GM been having meetings about what may (or may not) be found on the phone records. 

IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:

sallypelt wrote:Despite all that has gone before, I have felt a deep sympathy for what has befallen them. I genuinely believe that they were/are heartbroken after losing their precious daughter. It is a parents' worst nightmare,  but that doesn't prevent me from thinking that they KNOW what happened.

Yeah, they look really heartbroken don't they?

sallypelt wrote:

IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:

sallypelt wrote:Despite all that has gone before, I have felt a deep sympathy for what has befallen them. I genuinely believe that they were/are heartbroken after losing their precious daughter. It is a parents' worst nightmare,  but that doesn't prevent me from thinking that they KNOW what happened.

Yeah, they look really heartbroken don't they?

Amnot, I've had enough tragedy In my life to know that heartbroken people actually laugh at funerals. It doesn't mean that people aren't grieving, and grieving badly. I know from experience. I am not one to show my feelings to the rest of the world, but when I lost my young brother, I couldn't function. I continuously cried for 6 months, but when I went out, I managed to hold the tears at bay, but even then, my eyes felt that they were holding back a damn, and my heart felt as if it was going to stop beating. So, from experience, I don't pay too much attention to people smiling and laughing when they have lost a loved one.

I will agree that the McCann's do and did leave one confused, not because of the smiles, but they way they spoke about their loss as if they were talking about losing a suitcase of clothes, rather than a child. But, I've kept away from "photoshopped photos" etc,and concentrated on the facts as we know them.

susible wrote:

Newintown wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 26m
On @@BBCRadioStoke talking about new developments in the #MadeleineMccann investigation

I've just read Jim Gamble's interview from Radio 4 this morning on Joana's site (I don't know when it was actually recorded), I found it interesting (or maybe not to others) that he used the term "we are where we are" which are exactly the same words that GM used on Friday when he was being interviewed outside the Court.

Hmmm, have JG and GM been having meetings about what may (or may not) be found on the phone records. 

This is why I don't think there is a whitewash, Gerry McCann did not look like a man who was about to be "Declared Innocent" when he was giving that interview on Wednesday.  And imo Jim Gamble is right up to his neck in it.  Who was it that provided the CEOP books etc to Gerry in PdL?

Cristobell wrote:
It should be remembered that the Philpotts did a shoulder to shoulder appeal with the Met police alongside them and look how that turned out.

susible wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:I've breathlessly been speed-reading since lunchtime. The one time I log-in late there's a flurry of news and discussion on the fora ... Still  approx. 20 pages behind. Is there a recap of the discussion possible?

BTW I cannot vote in the poll, as none of the possibilities mirrors my own idea/impression.
I would definitely not vote 2 or 3, but I cannot vote 1 either. If it would have asking if I have hope that SY [and PJ] may be able to solve this case, that would have made it easier ...

The initial reports were about crimewatch style reconstructions and new evidence etc, but the main feature is that SY are now checking all of the phone records of everyone in PdL at the time, so one could extrapolate from that, that the T9 will be included in that investigation.

candyfloss wrote:Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 3m
On @bbcmerseyside talking about new developments in the #MadeleineMccann investigation

tasprin wrote:A couple of questions I'd like the media to ask Andy Redwood...To date, how much has the Scotland Yard review/investigation cost the British taxpayer?

aiyoyo wrote:

susible wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:I've breathlessly been speed-reading since lunchtime. The one time I log-in late there's a flurry of news and discussion on the fora ... Still  approx. 20 pages behind. Is there a recap of the discussion possible?

BTW I cannot vote in the poll, as none of the possibilities mirrors my own idea/impression.
I would definitely not vote 2 or 3, but I cannot vote 1 either. If it would have asking if I have hope that SY [and PJ] may be able to solve this case, that would have made it easier ...

The initial reports were about crimewatch style reconstructions and new evidence etc, but the main feature is that SY are now checking all of the phone records of everyone in PdL at the time, so one could extrapolate from that, that the T9 will be included in that investigation.

Where did you hear it is going to be crimewatch style reconstruction and not Crime watch reconstruction.
There is a big difference between them.
I believe the MET have sophisticated software to create a visual reconstruction, placing people and objects in any light condition into room/ area as needed and more, and if it is crimewatch style reconstruction, likely this visual version aided by PC software will be shown.
If it is crimewatch reconstruction usually it is done using the main players (not actors) on scene of crime or near likeness of scene of crime with natural lighting condition reconstructing it to as close to known testimonies as possible to jolt memory.

What new theory the MET have that brings about this reconstruction is not known.  
Maybe the reconstruction isn't based on the T9 testimonies but on Met's new theory.
How they hope reconstruction based on their new theory would help solve the case is a complete mystery.

susible wrote:

I believe that the MET has to be extremely careful in this case. It's a high-profile case, and the welfare of the McCann's and their friends and family are the top priority at the moment, whether they have something to hide, or not. While all on this forum appear to be intelligent, level-headed people, it's not the case throughout the country. There are some nutters out there, and any suggestion by SY that the McCann's or any of the T9 are involved, God knows what could happen. So, let's all keep a quiet logic, and see how things unfold. I, for one, would hate to see anything bad happen to the McCann's. Despite all that has gone before, I have felt a deep sympathy for what has befallen them. I genuinely believe that they were/are heartbroken after losing their precious daughter. It is a parents' worst nightmare, but that doesn't prevent me from thinking that they KNOW what happened.

Totally agree Sallypelt, I have never thought that the McCanns did not love and adore Madeleine, okay so maybe parenthood wasn't the walk in the park that they hoped for and I think their relationship was a dysfunctional one, and yes, whatever way it happened, they did lose their beautiful daughter, and I can only begin to imagine their distress.  However, that does not stop me from thinking that they do know more than they say and that it was possibly the threat of losing their other two precious beautiful children that set them on a terrible path as a way of holding onto something of their lives before that fateful holiday.


And as with the thread detailing Michael Wright's evidence in regard to possible threats to the twins, I know that I speak for the majority here inasmuch that whilst we may get annoyed with the McCanns in respect of their lies and propensity to bad mouth and even litigate against those who challenge their version of events, I do not in any way wish any physical harm to come to them, and much less their children.


If however, they have committed a crime as suspected by Gonçalo Amaral and his team of detectives, then I do hope that they are held to full account in a court of law and punished accordingly, because no matter how much they have suffered the loss of their daughter already, one has to ask how much their defenceless 3 yr old daughter suffered and as such they should not be exempt from justice.

Newintown wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 26m
On @@BBCRadioStoke talking about new developments in the #MadeleineMccann investigation

I've just read Jim Gamble's interview from Radio 4 this morning on Joana's site (I don't know when it was actually recorded), I found it interesting (or maybe not to others) that he used the term "we are where we are" which are exactly the same words that GM used on Friday when he was being interviewed outside the Court.

Hmmm, have JG and GM been having meetings about what may (or may not) be found on the phone records. 

Cristobell wrote:I began a post on here and it turned into a blog:  http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/ - lol, 'We Can All Go Home Now'.  No probs if someone wants to c/p it here.  :)

Portia wrote:

Newintown wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 26m
On @@BBCRadioStoke talking about new developments in the #MadeleineMccann investigation

I've just read Jim Gamble's interview from Radio 4 this morning on Joana's site (I don't know when it was actually recorded), I found it interesting (or maybe not to others) that he used the term "we are where we are" which are exactly the same words that GM used on Friday when he was being interviewed outside the Court.

Hmmm, have JG and GM been having meetings about what may (or may not) be found on the phone records. 

Doubt thou the Stars are fire
Doubt that the Sun doth move
Doubt Truth to be a liar....,

Well, no, actually, I think not, thank you

candyfloss wrote:

 Tony Bennett wrote:
 
It is impossible in my view that Gerry and Kate McCann would agree to participate in this programme unless they and their team were 100% happy with the filmed reconstruction.

 
I don't agree with that Tony, imo they have no choice............how would it look if they refused, they couldn't could they?

candyfloss wrote:Just seen this tweet on twitter again, and although I had already posted it, it is worded really strangely.  'History' in inverted commas, and how McCann 'presented originally' ????
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 7h
Met Ass Com Rowley: In view of `history' of case & how #McCann `presented originally' this will be 1st time they've `sat alongside' police

stillsloppingout wrote:When the reconstruction is aired it will answer several questions , 

1 ; Gerry and Kate's body language .  [ see phillpott's ] 

2 : Will the piece be edited ? . that is really important , [ especially any direct appeal to camera, it has to be done in one take ] if so why ?  is it normal procedure . BBC need to be contacted re this , plus who scripted , commissioned the piece .

3.  Any events that are not facts and can be disproved by forum members ,should be immediately flagged up on social media ,and to the number given on TV . 

4 ;  FOR Tony  Bennett  ; could any deliberate mis information that is broadcast be challenged , by legal action ?  or to the TV commission ? .

Portia wrote:

susible wrote:

I believe that the MET has to be extremely careful in this case. It's a high-profile case, and the welfare of the McCann's and their friends and family are the top priority at the moment, whether they have something to hide, or not. While all on this forum appear to be intelligent, level-headed people, it's not the case throughout the country. There are some nutters out there, and any suggestion by SY that the McCann's or any of the T9 are involved, God knows what could happen. So, let's all keep a quiet logic, and see how things unfold. I, for one, would hate to see anything bad happen to the McCann's. Despite all that has gone before, I have felt a deep sympathy for what has befallen them. I genuinely believe that they were/are heartbroken after losing their precious daughter. It is a parents' worst nightmare, but that doesn't prevent me from thinking that they KNOW what happened.

Totally agree Sallypelt, I have never thought that the McCanns did not love and adore Madeleine, okay so maybe parenthood wasn't the walk in the park that they hoped for and I think their relationship was a dysfunctional one, and yes, whatever way it happened, they did lose their beautiful daughter, and I can only begin to imagine their distress.  However, that does not stop me from thinking that they do know more than they say and that it was possibly the threat of losing their other two precious beautiful children that set them on a terrible path as a way of holding onto something of their lives before that fateful holiday.


And as with the thread detailing Michael Wright's evidence in regard to possible threats to the twins, I know that I speak for the majority here inasmuch that whilst we may get annoyed with the McCanns in respect of their lies and propensity to bad mouth and even litigate against those who challenge their version of events, I do not in any way wish any physical harm to come to them, and much less their children.


If however, they have committed a crime as suspected by Gonçalo Amaral and his team of detectives, then I do hope that they are held to full account in a court of law and punished accordingly, because no matter how much they have suffered the loss of their daughter already, one has to ask how much their defenceless 3 yr old daughter suffered and as such they should not be exempt from justice.

My fullest compliments; nobody could have said it any better. We're here for the child, period