OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

gbwales wrote:

aquila wrote:

cass7 wrote:whos going to play eddie and keela i wonder - or mrs fenn ho heard madeline crying for over a hr - or infact better still who will jemmie the shutters

Eddie and Keela will be played by pooch/mutt/street dog (Clarrie's all for saving those recently).

Mrs Fenn will be depicted as a poor old soul with dementia (Mrs Fenn's landline phone call record is useful though isn't it?)

It's panto time.

Quite frankly if they plan on sticking to the 'official' McCann/T7 statements/versions then they might as well do it in CGI using characters from Monsters Inc as that's about as realistic as it's going to get! 

tasprin wrote:A couple of questions I'd like the media to ask Andy Redwood:

Is it true that you asked the McCanns not to attend the libel trial in Portugal because you feared a media circus would disrupt your sensitive inquiries?

To date, how much has the Scotland Yard review/investigation cost the British taxpayer?

candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton just tweeted this......


Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 1m
DCI Redwood, leading #McCann probe, says Madeleine's parents are `very supportive' and police's relationship with them is `very strong'

gbwales wrote:

aquila wrote:

cass7 wrote:whos going to play eddie and keela i wonder - or mrs fenn ho heard madeline crying for over a hr - or infact better still who will jemmie the shutters

Eddie and Keela will be played by pooch/mutt/street dog (Clarrie's all for saving those recently).

Mrs Fenn will be depicted as a poor old soul with dementia (Mrs Fenn's landline phone call record is useful though isn't it?)

It's panto time.

Quite frankly if they plan on sticking to the 'official' McCann/T7 statements/versions then they might as well do it in CGI using characters from Monsters Inc as that's about as realistic as it's going to get! 

Monty Heck wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton just tweeted this......


Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 1m
DCI Redwood, leading #McCann probe, says Madeleine's parents are `very supportive' and police's relationship with them is `very strong'

Didn't they say that in 2007 about the PJ?  Remember how that turned out

aquila wrote:

cass7 wrote:whos going to play eddie and keela i wonder - or mrs fenn ho heard madeline crying for over a hr - or infact better still who will jemmie the shutters

Eddie and Keela will be played by pooch/mutt/street dog (Clarrie's all for saving those recently).

Mrs Fenn will be depicted as a poor old soul with dementia (Mrs Fenn's landline phone call record is useful though isn't it?)

It's panto time.

windchime wrote:I have to remain optimistic and can't help thinking that SY are working closely with the PJ and possibly GA.  GA asked for the hearing to be done in private (IMO) knowing full well the McCanns would argue against it.  SY told them not to go to the hearing for media reasons (IMO) knowing full they wouldn't be able to stay away.  The case appears to be going very badly for the McCanns and there appears to be very little public sympathy left for them. Now suddenly we have that moment that we have all been waiting for the moment when G & K have to sit next to detectives, like every other parent/s whose child has gone missing, and speak.  It may all be well rehearsed and off autocue but I do not believe that the response will be the one they are hoping for.  I think, as someone else said earlier, the switchboards will light up and go into overload and not with people calling about possible sightings. 
I truly hope that SY have far more up their sleeves than they are letting on, leading the McCanns and their group of holiday friends into a false sense of security.
Oh and as it has been bought up that SY are investigating the theory it is a Portuguese Paedo ring that took her - well remember the Gasper statement and the fact that most of these people have been to Portugal before - add Mr RM to the mix along with his mate who had dodgy findings on his computer then it all adds up to a Portugese Paedo ring.  Off course all IMO!
There is just no way on this planet any police force can ignore the truth - not when it is as glaringly obvious to the whole world as this case is. IMO

Truthandjustice wrote:A reconstruction without the original people is pointless in this case and any policeman worth his salt would know it.  In a true investigation, the police need to see in real time the reactions and explanations of those involved when their stated timeline/positioning turns out to be impossible.  Unfortunately I fear this will prove to be another PR exercise for the Mcs who can later say 'we have done the reconstruction'.
I can't be optimistic because the Met state they do not consider Mcs as suspects, I really don't think the Met are that clever in terms of this whole palaver being a sting operation on the Mcs.  They have stated that their new perspective includes 'evidence' gathered by Private Investigators -who were in the pay of said suspects in the case.  This is a whitewash and it's a real shame that none of this will ever be made public like the PJ files (I actually think the Portuguese justice system is superior in that respect).

susible wrote:

windchime wrote:I have to remain optimistic and can't help thinking that SY are working closely with the PJ and possibly GA.  GA asked for the hearing to be done in private (IMO) knowing full well the McCanns would argue against it.  SY told them not to go to the hearing for media reasons (IMO) knowing full they wouldn't be able to stay away.  The case appears to be going very badly for the McCanns and there appears to be very little public sympathy left for them. Now suddenly we have that moment that we have all been waiting for the moment when G & K have to sit next to detectives, like every other parent/s whose child has gone missing, and speak.  It may all be well rehearsed and off autocue but I do not believe that the response will be the one they are hoping for.  I think, as someone else said earlier, the switchboards will light up and go into overload and not with people calling about possible sightings. 
I truly hope that SY have far more up their sleeves than they are letting on, leading the McCanns and their group of holiday friends into a false sense of security.
Oh and as it has been bought up that SY are investigating the theory it is a Portuguese Paedo ring that took her - well remember the Gasper statement and the fact that most of these people have been to Portugal before - add Mr RM to the mix along with his mate who had dodgy findings on his computer then it all adds up to a Portugese Paedo ring.  Off course all IMO!
There is just no way on this planet any police force can ignore the truth - not when it is as glaringly obvious to the whole world as this case is. IMO

Totally agree windchime, SY cannot ignore all of the evidence that already exists, they just can't

marconi wrote:

susible wrote:

windchime wrote:I have to remain optimistic and can't help thinking that SY are working closely with the PJ and possibly GA.  GA asked for the hearing to be done in private (IMO) knowing full well the McCanns would argue against it.  SY told them not to go to the hearing for media reasons (IMO) knowing full they wouldn't be able to stay away.  The case appears to be going very badly for the McCanns and there appears to be very little public sympathy left for them. Now suddenly we have that moment that we have all been waiting for the moment when G & K have to sit next to detectives, like every other parent/s whose child has gone missing, and speak.  It may all be well rehearsed and off autocue but I do not believe that the response will be the one they are hoping for.  I think, as someone else said earlier, the switchboards will light up and go into overload and not with people calling about possible sightings. 
I truly hope that SY have far more up their sleeves than they are letting on, leading the McCanns and their group of holiday friends into a false sense of security.
Oh and as it has been bought up that SY are investigating the theory it is a Portuguese Paedo ring that took her - well remember the Gasper statement and the fact that most of these people have been to Portugal before - add Mr RM to the mix along with his mate who had dodgy findings on his computer then it all adds up to a Portugese Paedo ring.  Off course all IMO!
There is just no way on this planet any police force can ignore the truth - not when it is as glaringly obvious to the whole world as this case is. IMO

Totally agree windchime, SY cannot ignore all of the evidence that already exists, they just can't

the McCanns refused to make a reconstruction, unless the PJ would broadcast it, to help finding Madeleine.
they knew that police never broadcast reconstructions.
I wonder if they told that to the Yard, "no use" and the Yard said:
"Don't worry. We will help Madeleine. Come to Algarve with your friends, we make a reconstruction and I promise you to broadcast it on Crimewatch. We will make an exception for your daughter . Come now because the next Crimewatch will be on the 14th. We got to find her".

This is what I think that happened.    IMO.

Cristobell wrote:

Truthandjustice wrote:A reconstruction without the original people is pointless in this case and any policeman worth his salt would know it.  In a true investigation, the police need to see in real time the reactions and explanations of those involved when their stated timeline/positioning turns out to be impossible.  Unfortunately I fear this will prove to be another PR exercise for the Mcs who can later say 'we have done the reconstruction'.
I can't be optimistic because the Met state they do not consider Mcs as suspects, I really don't think the Met are that clever in terms of this whole palaver being a sting operation on the Mcs.  They have stated that their new perspective includes 'evidence' gathered by Private Investigators -who were in the pay of said suspects in the case.  This is a whitewash and it's a real shame that none of this will ever be made public like the PJ files (I actually think the Portuguese justice system is superior in that respect).

I think they are keeping the heat of Kate and Gerry by saying they are not suspects.  Has there ever been a case in the UK or indeed anywhere in the world, where detectives have declared the main protagonists as 'not suspects'? Its quite an odd thing to do, especially as the investigation is ongoing and could potentially lead anywhere.  

If anyone involved in the cover up, and who knows how many that might be, crack at any time in the future, the whole house of cards will come tumbling down.  As some of us already know, there are people in the inner circle, and indeed on the periphery, of this case who will go to any lengths to protect whatever the hell it is they are protecting.  Many of these proactive supporters are very unstable, so much so, that I even fear for the McCanns themselves.  The magnitude of what has gone on, to cover up the disappearance of this child, cannot be underestimated.   

Prime Ministers like to leave a legacy, and putting right the wrongs of a former Prime Minister would contribute to that. As it stands, any blame for things that have gone wrong in this case can be laid at the door of Gordon Brown.   Just as we are uncovering things with our individual expertise of this case, so too are the detectives with their greater access to ALL of the details that we are not privy to.  

I could of course be completely wrong, and we are at War (of the media kind) with the Portuguese.  How dare you victimise our stricken British citizens - we won the war you know!  Pip pip.  The good Beeb, (BBC) are putting out a special edition of Crimewatch, that will go out to at least another 4 countries that will prove beyond doubt, that the McCanns are caring parents who deserve our love and (financial) support.

Monty Heck wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton just tweeted this......


Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 1m
DCI Redwood, leading #McCann probe, says Madeleine's parents are `very supportive' and police's relationship with them is `very strong'

Didn't they say that in 2007 about the PJ?  Remember how that turned out

aiyoyo wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton just tweeted this......


Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 1m
DCI Redwood, leading #McCann probe, says Madeleine's parents are `very supportive' and police's relationship with them is `very strong'

Didn't they say that in 2007 about the PJ?  Remember how that turned out

One wonders why is it SO important for MET to constantly shove it down people throats about the wonderful bond/relationship between them and the Mccanns?

How does it make a difference to the quality of the investigation or end result of it?

Châtelaine wrote:I've breathlessly been speed-reading since lunchtime. The one time I log-in late there's a flurry of news and discussion on the fora ... Still  approx. 20 pages behind. Is there a recap of the discussion possible?

BTW I cannot vote in the poll, as none of the possibilities mirrors my own idea/impression.
I would definitely not vote 2 or 3, but I cannot vote 1 either. If it would have asking if I have hope that SY [and PJ] may be able to solve this case, that would have made it easier ...

I believe that the MET has to be extremely careful in this case. It's a high-profile case, and the welfare of the McCann's and their friends and family are the top priority at the moment, whether they have something to hide, or not. While all on this forum appear to be intelligent, level-headed people, it's not the case throughout the country. There are some nutters out there, and any suggestion by SY that the McCann's or any of the T9 are involved, God knows what could happen. So, let's all keep a quiet logic, and see how things unfold. I, for one, would hate to see anything bad happen to the McCann's. Despite all that has gone before, I have felt a deep sympathy for what has befallen them. I genuinely believe that they were/are heartbroken after losing their precious daughter. It is a parents' worst nightmare, but that doesn't prevent me from thinking that they KNOW what happened.

sallypelt wrote:Despite all that has gone before, I have felt a deep sympathy for what has befallen them. I genuinely believe that they were/are heartbroken after losing their precious daughter. It is a parents' worst nightmare,  but that doesn't prevent me from thinking that they KNOW what happened.

Châtelaine wrote:I've breathlessly been speed-reading since lunchtime. The one time I log-in late there's a flurry of news and discussion on the fora ... Still  approx. 20 pages behind. Is there a recap of the discussion possible?

BTW I cannot vote in the poll, as none of the possibilities mirrors my own idea/impression.
I would definitely not vote 2 or 3, but I cannot vote 1 either. If it would have asking if I have hope that SY [and PJ] may be able to solve this case, that would have made it easier ...