LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

gbwales wrote:The company in which Pike is a partner - CCP - http://www.ccpsupport.co.uk/ - says on their website (in a timeline feature across the foot of the page) that they had someone onsite a day after Madeleine's disappearance.


He appears to have a BA (Hons) in Social Science & Psychology - that's not a medical or clinical degree.
He was for a while a Child Protection Social Worker in local government.
"Clinical" support is only mentioned in relation to work at CCP (where he is a partner - does he make his own job titles there perhaps?)
Basically I don't see any evidence of a full clinical background, and he largely seems to describe himself online as a 'professional in trauma care' (never a psychologist) and in providing 'support' and 'counselling'.

You don't suppose that when a traumatic incident gets into the news, this firm gets themselves over there as soon as possible, so that they can later advertise and say, yes we dealt with that one?

suzyjohnson wrote:

gbwales wrote:The company in which Pike is a partner - CCP - http://www.ccpsupport.co.uk/ - says on their website (in a timeline feature across the foot of the page) that they had someone onsite a day after Madeleine's disappearance.


He appears to have a BA (Hons) in Social Science & Psychology - that's not a medical or clinical degree.
He was for a while a Child Protection Social Worker in local government.
"Clinical" support is only mentioned in relation to work at CCP (where he is a partner - does he make his own job titles there perhaps?)
Basically I don't see any evidence of a full clinical background, and he largely seems to describe himself online as a 'professional in trauma care' (never a psychologist) and in providing 'support' and 'counselling'.

You don't suppose that when a traumatic incident gets into the news, this firm gets themselves over there as soon as possible, so that they can later advertise and say, yes we dealt with that one?

Here's a link to a press release taken from their website. Forgive them for incorrectly spelling the name of the country of Nepal...but interestingly they've also worked on Costa Concordia (although the press release says Concordia Costa).

http://ccpsupport.co.uk/images/file/Milestone%20Press%20Release%20June%202013.pdf

I VERY interesting read on McBride and  his defence of the McCann's. It's from 2007, but so much has been written over the last 6 years, it's good to revisit what was said at the beginning.

http://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/assets/files/news/Evening%20Standard%2029%20Sept%2007.pdf

aquila wrote:

suzyjohnson wrote:

gbwales wrote:The company in which Pike is a partner - CCP - http://www.ccpsupport.co.uk/ - says on their website (in a timeline feature across the foot of the page) that they had someone onsite a day after Madeleine's disappearance.


He appears to have a BA (Hons) in Social Science & Psychology - that's not a medical or clinical degree.
He was for a while a Child Protection Social Worker in local government.
"Clinical" support is only mentioned in relation to work at CCP (where he is a partner - does he make his own job titles there perhaps?)
Basically I don't see any evidence of a full clinical background, and he largely seems to describe himself online as a 'professional in trauma care' (never a psychologist) and in providing 'support' and 'counselling'.

You don't suppose that when a traumatic incident gets into the news, this firm gets themselves over there as soon as possible, so that they can later advertise and say, yes we dealt with that one?

Here's a link to a press release taken from their website. Forgive them for incorrectly spelling the name of the country of Nepal...but interestingly they've also worked on Costa Concordia (although the press release says Concordia Costa).

http://ccpsupport.co.uk/images/file/Milestone%20Press%20Release%20June%202013.pdf

re: "...interestingly they've also worked on Costa Concordia..."

REPLY: As of course, has the 'Daddy' of all PR men, Clarence Mitchell himself - head of PR for Costa Cruises:

http://www.channel4.com/news/fears-grow-for-missing-29

No wonder he was once called 'The Angel of Death'...

Tony Bennett wrote:

aquila wrote:

suzyjohnson wrote:

gbwales wrote:The company in which Pike is a partner - CCP - http://www.ccpsupport.co.uk/ - says on their website (in a timeline feature across the foot of the page) that they had someone onsite a day after Madeleine's disappearance.


He appears to have a BA (Hons) in Social Science & Psychology - that's not a medical or clinical degree.
He was for a while a Child Protection Social Worker in local government.
"Clinical" support is only mentioned in relation to work at CCP (where he is a partner - does he make his own job titles there perhaps?)
Basically I don't see any evidence of a full clinical background, and he largely seems to describe himself online as a 'professional in trauma care' (never a psychologist) and in providing 'support' and 'counselling'.

You don't suppose that when a traumatic incident gets into the news, this firm gets themselves over there as soon as possible, so that they can later advertise and say, yes we dealt with that one?

Here's a link to a press release taken from their website. Forgive them for incorrectly spelling the name of the country of Nepal...but interestingly they've also worked on Costa Concordia (although the press release says Concordia Costa).

http://ccpsupport.co.uk/images/file/Milestone%20Press%20Release%20June%202013.pdf

re: "...interestingly they've also worked on Costa Concordia..."

REPLY: As of course, has the 'Daddy' of all PR men, Clarence Mitchell himself - head of PR for Costa Cruises:

http://www.channel4.com/news/fears-grow-for-missing-29

No wonder he was once called 'The Angel of Death'...

ETA. This press release is dated 10th June 2013

JackieL wrote:Having been brought up in the UK and so used to the adversarial Anglo-Saxon legal system, it's difficult to get my head round the way it works in Portugal.  Thinking in a UK way, the one reason why a barrister in ID's position might call Ribeiro (if I've got the right guy)  is that he was the guy who said in a radio interview  when head of the PJ that the decision to make the McCanns arguidos was "hasty".  


At the time, it turned into a lot of political in-fighting in Portugal if you remember, and Ribeiro actually apologised for the remaark, but the McCanns made a lot of PR profit from his comment. Maybe that's why ID thought he'd be a sympathetic witness?


Can't remember if Gomes had anything to say in that particular political spat (does anyone recall him being mentioned at the time?), bu't really can't think why ID didn't leave well alone there.

IIRC Ribeiro was at that time not a big fan from Dr. Amaral. Wasn't he the one who stated that making the McCanns arguidos was a bit rushed?
I wonder what he thought about making Murat arguido?

But I digress. I remember very well that from the early hours of this lawsuit, Isobel D taunting that they had Ribeiro as a witness for them. Another thing I remember, but that was 2 computers ago, ID and Ribeiro go back a long time.

gbwales wrote:What's that old biblical phrase....
"By their friends shall ye know them". ?

Yeah, we quoted that often. Does not look good for the McCanns, not good at all.

Long before Mr Amaral wrote a book that seriously questioned the McCann's version of events it seems that there
were others who also had reservations.

Are we to see the British Foreign Office/ police force in the dock anytime soon! 

http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/p/british-foreign-office-timeline.html.

Interesting- December 3 2007.

Another little reminder of McBride's costs:

McBride, Angus A partner at Kingsley Napley; a $1,200-an-hour lawyer, specialising in high-profile cases; represented the former Clash guitarist Mick Jones over allegations arising from the Kate Moss cocaine affair; was also involved in the John Terry and Chris Langham cases; retained by the McCanns for their defence.


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic17175-10.html

DT says the idea that the parents aren't able to keep the children safe is terrifying for the children. Then there's the issue of the parents simulating abduction. The problem is that it isn't a suggestion but a conclusion.

The twins know their parents abandoned them. They know that that is at the core of their sisters demise sorry disappearance, so they KNOW that the parents not so much aren't able but not willing, to keep the children safe. Can anyone make it even worse than how their mother expressed how much she cared about the "why didn't you come when we were crying?":



edited to add the quote

The truth would have been so much easier had it been told from the beginning or soon after.

I urge people to pray for Sean and Amelie because I see a dire future for them not just because of who their parents are but also because of the company they (their parents) keep.

ShuBob wrote:The truth would have been so much easier had it been told from the beginning or soon after.

I urge people to pray for Sean and Amelie because I see a dire future for them not just because of who their parents are but also because of the company they (their parents) keep.

I agree 100% ShuBob.  I have no doubt that the McCann's love their kids, Madeleine included, but something happened on the 3 May 2007 that the McCann's covered up, for whatever reason. They KNOW what happened to Madeleine, and most of the world knows that they know. They have started something that has become a runaway train. It would have been much better if they had told the truth at the beginning. If they had, today it would have all been forgotten, and most of us wouldn't even know who the McCann's are.

Kate seems worse than Gerry! Wonder if this is why he keeps holding her hand, well he probably won't much longer, so let it all out!

The things she has said and her actions, Yuk!!
 

Poor twins.

On the Panorama the Last Hope Australia , Jim Gamble  (CEOP) answers the interviewer that Amaral's book was "unprofessional and unhelpful".
He did not answer "it is a bunch of lies, people will stop searching for Madeleine, Kate is distressed and depressed".

sallypelt wrote:
They KNOW what happened to Madeleine, and most of the world knows that they know.

Amaral's words  : "They know that I know".

He didn't say  "They know that we all know."

It is different and I can't wait.

Hicks wrote:Long before Mr Amaral wrote a book that seriously questioned the McCann's version of events it seems that there
were others who also had reservations.

Are we to see the British Foreign Office/ police force in the dock anytime soon! 

http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/p/british-foreign-office-timeline.html.

Interesting- December 3 2007.

Very interesting, especially towards end....  nearly all the diplomats involved at the outset taken off case.

did you get my pm?

It would help if we knew to whom you sent the message!

You can tell if the message has been accessed by checking if it's gone from your outbox to your sent box.

the consul and the ambassador must have seen that the shutters were not broken.

Are diplomats immune even in case of murder?

marconi wrote:did you get my pm?

Apologies, I have replied. :)

with thanks to UK Justice Forum [ if this is duplicated, apologies and please delete ]


Cláudia Nogueira, Managing Director of the Portuguese Public Relations and Communications Company, Plus - People Development.  From 2009 to 2011 – she was the Executive Director of the Portuguese private agency Lift Consulting, a Company engaged by the McCanns.

Her relationship with the couple was initially professional but with time it became personal. She knows Gonçalo Amaral only "publicly" (they never had personal contact).


1) McCann family lawyer, Isabel Duarte, is the first to question the witness.

ID – Why did you leave Lift Consulting?
CN answers that the media pressure was too great and that her work in support of the McCanns was very difficult. They were very worn down.

ID – In the course of your profession did you have access to statistics?
CN said she had.

ID – Do you know if at least 2.2 million people watched the documentary in Portugal?
CN says she doesn't remember the exact number but she knows it was 50% of the audience share.

ID – Do you still work as a communication manager?
CN says she does. She says that people focused on this program, which is rare.

ID asks if the attention of social communication decreased afterwards. (note: she might have meant "care for Madeleine")
CN thinks there were thousands of news items about the Amaral book and documentary.  There were about 2000 for the book and about 1000 for the documentary.

ID – Were these news items suggestive of any other solutions for the case?
CN No unfortunately.  It wasn't well balanced. All the focus was on the book's conclusions.

ID – Did you try to offer a counterpoint?
CN – Yes, but the social communication wasn't looking for contradictions.

ID – Was the documentary copied in English on the Web without authorization?
CN says it was.


2) Defence lawyers.

a) TVI lawyers’ questions.

TVI – Did you know that TVI wanted also to broadcast the Channel 4 documentary (Emma Loach's one, "Madeleine was here")?
CN says she knows.

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TVI – You said the attention associated with the book didn't diminish after the publication. Was that everywhere?
CN says she meant "in Portugal". She adds the attention was focused mainly on Gonçalo Amaral and this included the UK.

TVI – What about the news on the governmental support for the case?
CN – The news in Portugal were interpretations of the various facts.

TVI – But the facts never were clarified.
CN – They should have been.

TVI – But there are not many facts.


b) Valentim de Carvalho (DVD production/distribution) lawyer's questions

VC – Before 2009, were the McCanns clients of Lift Consulting?
CN says "no".

VC – Did they contract Lift Consulting in order to spread their initiatives and positions?
CN says they wanted to remind the public of the facts of the disappearance. They were trying to counter the propaganda and the theories that some newspapers were printing.

VC says it's the first time he has heard such a thing.

c) Guerra & Paz's lawyer's questions

GP asks whether she did some research when she started to work for the McCanns
CN says "yes".

GP here refers to the Sept 2009 Providencia Cautelar (Injunction) that led to the ban of GA's book. She alludes to the fact there was a need for witnesses.

GP – You spoke of over 2 million people watching the documentary corresponding to 50% of the audience share, but MarkTest's published share was 23%.
CN says the content of some news was favouring definitively Gonçalo Amaral.

GP – Do you have a number concerning the news on sightings which mention the GA's theory?
CN says they're many, but she doesn't know how many.

GP's lawyer asks to dictate a request. She observes the witness indicated an approximate number for the news reports about the book (see above, approx 2000). The witness couldn't say how many news reports were published in relation to sightings or leads to the whereabouts of Madeleine or which reported a summary of GA's thesis.
 
GP asks the Court to instruct the witness to produce the documents she refers to.

The Judge asks CN if she has access to these news reports.
CN responds that they are kept at the agency (Lift Consulting). She says she has only got a few documents with her.

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The Judge asks if she will be able to get the others.
CN says she can.
 
The Judge then agrees to give her 15 days to produce the documents.

The judge points out that the issue under consideration is whether the attention of the media and the public decreased with the publication of the Amaral book. This is a question to which the Court will have to give an answer. Nevertheless the Judge doubts the documents the witness has will be helpful in this or would contribute positively in any way to the resolution of the case. However, since all parties agree, she agrees the request.

The Judge reminds the Court that there are two types of news reports:

•   Those related to the publication of the Amaral book.
•   Those related to the sightings, etc. that also mention the Amaral thesis of death and cover up.
 
The argument being that the "sighting" part is good for the McCanns who try to communicate positive things while the other is counterproductive to the search.


d) Santos Oliveira (GA lawyer) questions

SO – Was your job the transmission of information (to the media) or the management of the public image of your clients?
CN says it was the transmission of positive information about the issues concerning Madeleine.

SO – Were all your publications published?
CN – No, some weren't.

SO – You said to dra. Isabel Duarte that the news concerning the book wasn't contradicted. You also said that the sightings news had a contradictory part. How do you equate all this?
CN says that when the news was about the McCanns, it was always contradicted. When it was on Gonçalo Amaral, it wasn't.
 
SO – How did you work on the news?
CN says she translated the British news in Portuguese and adapted it for the Portuguese public and the Portuguese culture. This was her job.

SO – Did the Amaral book not boost the debate on the disappearance?
CN answers "no".

SO – Did you read the book and think that whoever reads might think that GA speaks the truth?
CN says she read the book.



Evidence ends.

This comment says it all

"So, in her (kate mccann) own words, she contemplated suicide not because her daughter was missing but because she feared her public image would be adversely impacted by a book.......Now just think about that."

2000 news items in 15 days, about a little more than 133 per day. That is the amount that the witness will have to find. Holy cow, it will not be easy. hah, hah hah!