Re: Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat

by Angelique 14.10.12 15:13

I agree - if only so that all people who have their own story and how they have been affected and can tell it to others.

It does not necessarily mean they are just interested soley in the filthy lucre!

by Woofer 14.10.12 15:16

PeterMac wrote:It was a slightly cleaned up google or yahoo babel fish translation, so I deserve no thanks.
I hope you are correct, though I have to tell you I doubt it, for other reasons to do with the time line and the findings of the dogs.
Which is why we all try to rely on evidence, rather than pre-conception.
I wish you luck.

PM - I think the dogs findings could still fit with SB`s theory.

Admin - As SB obviously cannot be as transparent as we would wish, would it be possible to have a separate thread for his theory under `Purporting Theories` and discuss how it could be explained but keeping SB out of it so he does not risk legal obstructions. Admin - can you advise?

by Guest 14.10.12 15:23

Woofer wrote:
PeterMac wrote:It was a slightly cleaned up google or yahoo babel fish translation, so I deserve no thanks.
I hope you are correct, though I have to tell you I doubt it, for other reasons to do with the time line and the findings of the dogs.
Which is why we all try to rely on evidence, rather than pre-conception.
I wish you luck.

PM - I think the dogs findings could still fit with SB`s theory.

Admin - As SB obviously cannot be as transparent as we would wish, would it be possible to have a separate thread for his theory under `Purporting Theories` and discuss how it could be explained but keeping SB out of it so he does not risk legal obstructions. Admin - can you advise?

Yes, by all means start a thread in Debate section. I still have trouble getting past this though in Goncalo's book.........

EDDIE AND KEELA AT ROBERT MURAT'S HOUSE.

Robert Murat's residence and the adjacent grounds are gone over with a fine-tooth comb in their turn. Mark Harrison, rigorously professional, has planned to devote three days to this job. This seems long to us. We want to limit the duration of this operation to avoid having the media besiege the premises. Mark agrees not to prolong the search any longer than is necessary, and manages to finish it in two days.

PJ, GNR, Civil Defence: dozens of men are mobilised. They have to work their way through the jungle that's invaded the land all round the house - Murat will not recognise his garden any more once the investigators have been through. The ground is examined with radar, centimetre by centimetre, by a specialist from Aveiro university. In vain: the dogs detect nothing. No evidence is found anywhere within the area examined. All the same, the radar reveals that Murat's house is built over an ancient Roman villa.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1703-chapter-16-the-hypothesis-of-death-is-considered-the-arrival-of-the-specialists

by Woofer 14.10.12 15:30

Candyfloss - yes, that`s something I have trouble with too, but am willing to keep an open mind and discuss. ok I`ll start a thread in Debates. I will leave SBs name out of the title.

by FH 14.10.12 15:33

Just because she wasn't there when the garden was first searched, doesn't mean she isn't there now. Where better to hide some thing than somewehere that has already been searched. After all, if we believe the dogs, there is evidence that a cadaver was transported in the hire car that wasn't hired until some time after the disappearance.

by Woofer 14.10.12 15:50

I have started a thread in Debates, so we can keep SB`s name out of it and avoid him having to expose too much but, of course, there are ways that he could take part anonymously.

by winjoy 14.10.12 17:25

Stephen Birch wrote:Well Aquila

- Let me be honest with you and this forum. I read somewhere that if you do not speak the truth, then you have to keep remembering what you said. I have a poor memory, so I am forced to be honest.....lol

Initially after I was drawn to the case, I wanted the fame and fortune of being associated with this high-profile case. But after about two months of working late, each night on the case, and many times into the early hours of the morning, on my own, something in me changed. You see what members of this forum and the public sometimes heavily engrossed in facts, forget, is we dealing with a little 3 year old girl here.

So it became a spiritual journey for me. I am not sure if members of the forum will understand what I am trying to convey here, but when you work on something everyday, all day, 7 days a week, and relive and imagine events as they occurred before and after MADELEINE disappeared , money fades into the background, and does not become the motivating force, JUSTICE does. I remember many times taking a break from my investigation, and just starring at a picture of MADELEINE on my computer monitor.

It was like I was making a pact to her, that I would not give-up searching for her, that I would get her back home to England, to have a proper burial and have a proper tomb-stone erected. In my mind I felt that Sean and Amelie deserved to stand in front of that grave head stone and put flowers on it, and say a few words in front of it. And I saw myself at her funeral. These are the images that occupy my mind today.

This forum must also realize, that inorder to do what I did, I had to overcome hugh obstacles, and I don't think, well I know, I would not of been able to overcome those obstacles without prayer and honorable intentions. I believe a man should be judged by his actions, and not by his words, which is more so in my case, since I cannot spell.

Do I think I,ll write a book or be in a movie, I don't know, and frankly I,ve changed now, so who knows, I just want closure.

It's like you studied a whole year for your final exams, you write the test, and now you wait for your results - You just want the results, closure. Nothing else matters, not the redicule, or the praise, not the threats, nothings matters, just closure.

I hope this give members some perspective of whats going through my mind.

Regards

Stephen D. Birch

Mr Birch - for a man who professes not to be good with words - that is quite an impressive post which, to me, sounds genuine. I am one of those who would like to believe you. There are others who simply don't and nothing will persuade them otherwise. There are difficulties with your theory - very especially if you insist that Madeleine was buried in the Murat gaden on 3rd May 2007 - which you have repeated several times. That would negate the dogs' findings in 3A and sits uncomfortably beside the statements made in Amaral's book (based on the police findings). As is so often with this case - something doesn't fit.

Like others here, I would like to give you a chance to prove yourself and your theory. Sometimes you shoot yourself in the foot in that attempt! Opinion about you and your theory is so divided and those who believe you to be a self-seeking charlatan are very dismissive of those of us, like me, who are both interested and rather 'willing' you to be right. It is a difficult one. There is only one solution and that is for a dig to take place.

Unfortunately that appears to be as likely as pigs flying! Sorry, but the Portuguese officials seem to have been clear on the point that no dig will take place.

It really needs to happen soon because I do not think there is sufficient to go on with your 'theory' for it to sustain a long drawn-out wait for action. So I wish you luck in your pursuit.

by Stephen Birch 14.10.12 17:32

Thankyou Winjoy

by Ciawoman 14.10.12 18:50

Excellent post Stephen

IMO Stephen's theory should not be dismissed, after all something lead him to invest thousands of pounds on equipment to scan the garden. He has done a lot more than many of us and I admire his determination. IMO he has done a lot more than the McCanns.

Things may not add up but then that's why this case is a mystery, none of us can say for sure what really happened.

by Rob Royston 14.10.12 19:07

Ciawoman wrote:Excellent post Stephen

IMO Stephen's theory should not be dismissed, after all something lead him to invest thousands of pounds on equipment to scan the garden. He has done a lot more than many of us and I admire his determination. IMO he has done a lot more than the McCanns.

Things may not add up but then that's why this case is a mystery, none of us can say for sure what really happened.

I agree that this should be checked out. The fact that nothing seems to have happened since he revealed his findings makes it all the more suspicious.

The governments have been involved here from day one, so nothing should be ruled out. Some people have had massive payouts in compensation, so there could have been a form of indemnity demanded. Think about it.

by Liz Eagles 14.10.12 19:10

Ciawoman wrote:Excellent post Stephen

IMO Stephen's theory should not be dismissed, after all something lead him to invest thousands of pounds on equipment to scan the garden. He has done a lot more than many of us and I admire his determination. IMO he has done a lot more than the McCanns.

Things may not add up but then that's why this case is a mystery, none of us can say for sure what really happened.

have you seen the cheque stubs/bank transfers? or are you just taking things on face-value that SB has invested thousands of rand/pounds because he told this forum he did?

by Ciawoman 14.10.12 19:27

I am taking it at face value, because I do like believe that most human's are honest until proven otherwise!!!

by Liz Eagles 14.10.12 20:44

Ciawoman wrote:I am taking it at face value, because I do like believe that most human's are honest until proven otherwise!!!

OK - Admin and Mods I promise this will be my last reply to this topic.

Ciawoman, if you like to believe that most humans are honest until proven otherwise why on earth are you disbelieving the McCanns enough to check out their version of events and yet you can believe SB who hasn't actually shown any evidence of anything? You don't need to answer the question, I have a good idea what this thread is about.

by Ciawoman 14.10.12 20:52

I was a McCann supporter until recently. I felt everyone makes mistakes and who am I to judge, I'm certainly not perfect. But what swayed me was the dogs. Dogs don't like they may be mistaken but they don't lie. This contradicts believing SB Theory as the dogs are the strongest evidence IMO.

But I have said before, this is a mystery and only a few know the truth and I for one will not rule anything out.