This will be the Start of Good Things for Madeleine - Kate McCann

bunny wrote:Did you ever hear the story of Ben Needhams Mum on the bus?

She was talking to a friend and made the mistake of smiling....some woman on the bust took her to task. I was horrified when I heard this. How dare this woman judge her for a smile!

marigold wrote:

bunny wrote:Marigold, could you? I dont suppose you could answer that though as you have never been in her situation and you dont know what medication she was given do you?

You are all starting to annoy me hugely now. Let me tell you my children are my life. I have 5 and I adore them. My youngest is 16 and I am distraught at the though of her going to uni next year. I have protected them at every stage. If any of my children had died or disappeared' I know how I would react. Even when my daughter is late back from school I feel sick inside with worry. I would have to be sedated completely, I would be destroyed, a zombie and know I wouldn't want to live. The thought is just too unbearable.
I also have experience of friends whose children have been killed and they have been sedated and yet all failed to react like the Mccanns did. My friend whose son was killed in a car crash didn't talk for months, just went through the motions of being alive without living. She hardly ate, didn't sleep and was constantly vomiting. Don't even begin to say the Mccanns behaved like normal grieving parents. Their reactions were sickening to observe.

bunny wrote:Did you ever hear the story of Ben Needhams Mum on the bus?

She was talking to a friend and made the mistake of smiling....some woman on the bust took her to task. I was horrified when I heard this. How dare this woman judge her for a smile!

Ruby wrote:

bunny wrote:Did you ever hear the story of Ben Needhams Mum on the bus?

She was talking to a friend and made the mistake of smiling....some woman on the bust took her to task. I was horrified when I heard this. How dare this woman judge her for a smile!

No.

Link?

hedge wrote:

marigold wrote:

bunny wrote:Marigold, could you? I dont suppose you could answer that though as you have never been in her situation and you dont know what medication she was given do you?

You are all starting to annoy me hugely now. Let me tell you my children are my life. I have 5 and I adore them. My youngest is 16 and I am distraught at the though of her going to uni next year. I have protected them at every stage. If any of my children had died or disappeared' I know how I would react. Even when my daughter is late back from school I feel sick inside with worry. I would have to be sedated completely, I would be destroyed, a zombie and know I wouldn't want to live. The thought is just too unbearable.
I also have experience of friends whose children have been killed and they have been sedated and yet all failed to react like the Mccanns did. My friend whose son was killed in a car crash didn't talk for months, just went through the motions of being alive without living. She hardly ate, didn't sleep and was constantly vomiting. Don't even begin to say the Mccanns behaved like normal grieving parents. Their reactions were sickening to observe.

I'm sorry but you can't possibly compare the behaviour of parents of a missing child to parents of a dead child, it's a completely different situation and has a distinct grieving process (different and unique for all but following an evident pattern), you'd be better comparing parents of missing children to parents of seriously ill children, would a parent of a seriously ill child give up, stop eating, go into themselves, grieve? Or would they fight every day for their child would they get strength from god knows where every day to get through it, to be a rock for other remaining children and family members to ensure that their child got the best that they could every day. In the case of a sich child a loving parent knows where they have to be every day with a smile of encouragment on their face (which no doubt you would somehow twist into them being uncaring or something) the parents of a missing child don't have a geographical location to aim their strength but they have similar pressures on them and drives.

Think about what you type please.

bunny wrote:The cameras were not there in those first few hours and moments though. You are comparing a parents reaction to finding their child gone (within seconds) to what you saw of the McCanns, what was it? the day after?
As for the jogging and exercise etc. Have you ever heard of a GP prescribing exercise or going to the Gym? let me tell you it happens. I'll leave you to find out the benefits of exercise on both the body AND mind. Im sure you know anyway.

jmbd wrote:"Even when my daughter is late back from school I feel sick inside with worry. I would have to be sedated completely, I would be destroyed, a zombie and know I wouldn't want to live. "

You mean you wouldn't be able to go to search?[/quote/

I was referring to reactions to a dead child. If my child was missing then of course I would search! Everywhere, for however long it took. If my child is late back from school and I can't reach her by phone, I check with her friends and get in the car and find her. We all know how it must feel to turn around and find your child missing, parents have said that until they find their child they are in a state of utter panic, is this how the Mccanns looked and behaved?
However much you may distort the Mccanns behaviour to suit the 'grieving parent' agenda it doesn't work. They were seen to be laughing, jogging, behaving as if nothing had happened, within days. Not to mention going to the hairdressers and having your highlights done.

hedge wrote:

jmbd wrote:If a blanket is missing - what is the significance?

That's the point, there isn't one missing. Certain people like to believe there is one missing because then they get to argue that somehow Kate and Gerry are cold enough to kill and hide their childs body but loving enough to bury her/throw her away with her comfort blanket (if that even makes sense) smart enough to pull off the crime of the year with no motive, means, opportunity or apparent benefit of any sort while being stupid enough to leave clues to their guilt peppered in their speech but only clues that certain people pick up on. Or something.

marigold wrote:

hedge wrote:

jmbd wrote:If a blanket is missing - what is the significance?

That's the point, there isn't one missing. Certain people like to believe there is one missing because then they get to argue that somehow Kate and Gerry are cold enough to kill and hide their childs body but loving enough to bury her/throw her away with her comfort blanket (if that even makes sense) smart enough to pull off the crime of the year with no motive, means, opportunity or apparent benefit of any sort while being stupid enough to leave clues to their guilt peppered in their speech but only clues that certain people pick up on. Or something.

From what I have seen of them, they are easily cold enough. Anyone who can callously leave a child again after the child had been heard crying for hours is cold as ice.

marigold wrote:
DO NOT presume to tell me what I said.

I copied and pasted your own post there's no need to get agressive with me if you don't like your own words being repeated back at you.

hedge wrote:

marigold wrote:

hedge wrote:

jmbd wrote:If a blanket is missing - what is the significance?

That's the point, there isn't one missing. Certain people like to believe there is one missing because then they get to argue that somehow Kate and Gerry are cold enough to kill and hide their childs body but loving enough to bury her/throw her away with her comfort blanket (if that even makes sense) smart enough to pull off the crime of the year with no motive, means, opportunity or apparent benefit of any sort while being stupid enough to leave clues to their guilt peppered in their speech but only clues that certain people pick up on. Or something.

From what I have seen of them, they are easily cold enough. Anyone who can callously leave a child again after the child had been heard crying for hours is cold as ice.

But loving enough to want to dispose of her body with her comfort blanket?
Is that your argument?

hedge wrote:

marigold wrote:
DO NOT presume to tell me what I said.

I copied and pasted your own post there's no need to get agressive with me if you don't like your own words being repeated back at you.

It's your attitude that's offensive and the presumption is your interpretation of my post. I stick by what I wrote.

marigold wrote:

hedge wrote:

marigold wrote:

hedge wrote:

jmbd wrote:If a blanket is missing - what is the significance?

That's the point, there isn't one missing. Certain people like to believe there is one missing because then they get to argue that somehow Kate and Gerry are cold enough to kill and hide their childs body but loving enough to bury her/throw her away with her comfort blanket (if that even makes sense) smart enough to pull off the crime of the year with no motive, means, opportunity or apparent benefit of any sort while being stupid enough to leave clues to their guilt peppered in their speech but only clues that certain people pick up on. Or something.

From what I have seen of them, they are easily cold enough. Anyone who can callously leave a child again after the child had been heard crying for hours is cold as ice.

But loving enough to want to dispose of her body with her comfort blanket?
Is that your argument?

It may not have been them who buried her.

marigold wrote:

bunny wrote:The cameras were not there in those first few hours and moments though. You are comparing a parents reaction to finding their child gone (within seconds) to what you saw of the McCanns, what was it? the day after?
As for the jogging and exercise etc. Have you ever heard of a GP prescribing exercise or going to the Gym? let me tell you it happens. I'll leave you to find out the benefits of exercise on both the body AND mind. Im sure you know anyway.

NO normal parent would be any fit state to going to jogging however much a doctor might advise it.

Taking frequent effective exercise is one of the best physical stress-reduction techniques available. Exercise not only improves your health and reduces stress caused by unfitness, it also relaxes tense muscles and helps you to sleep.

Exercise has a number of other positive benefits you may not be aware of:

It improves blood flow to your brain, bringing additional sugars and oxygen that may be needed when you are thinking intensely.

When you think hard, the neurons of your brain function more intensely. As they do this, they can build up toxic waste products that can cause foggy thinking (you may have experienced the feeling that your brain has "turned to cotton wool"). By exercising, you speed the flow of blood through your brain, moving these waste products faster.

Exercise can cause release of chemicals called endorphins into your blood stream. These give you a feeling of happiness and positively affect your overall sense of well-being.
There is also good evidence that physically fit people have less extreme physiological responses when under pressure than those who are not. This means that fit people are more able to handle the long- term effects of stress, without suffering ill health or burnout.

marigold wrote:Try telling someone who has a missing child who they think is with a paedophile that they should be out jogging. I think they'd tell you to f**k off.

hedge wrote:

marigold wrote:Try telling someone who has a missing child who they think is with a paedophile that they should be out jogging. I think they'd tell you to f**k off.

I doubt anyone told them what they should be doing, they strike me as people who know their own minds but I'm sure people who know them and could tell when distress or exhaustion was setting in would have given them advice to clear their heads, take a break, take a step back from the chaos etc

They would have been well advised that missing children cases often mean a long haul and they would be no use to Madeleine or the twins rocking and wasting away in a dark room.