What was so special about Burgau?

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the
word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending
them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Miraflores wrote:

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the
word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending
them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Wasn't the Fala a misunderstanding? When the BBC printed something about Amaral swearing about the McCanns he actually said 'Ask (fala) the McCanns' not F**k the McCanns* as they reported. When they received complaints about their mistranslation they belated offered an apology. However, many people seeing the first interpretation and not speaking Portuguese would not know that 'Fala' meant talk, painted the supposed oath beside the car, and made complete fools of themselves.
* Kate OTH is quite happy to quote herself using such language.

Miraflores wrote:

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the
word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending
them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Wasn't the Fala a misunderstanding? When the BBC printed something about Amaral swearing about the McCanns he actually said 'Ask (fala) the McCanns' not F**k the McCanns* as they reported. When they received complaints about their mistranslation they belated offered an apology. However, many people seeing the first interpretation and not speaking Portuguese would not know that 'Fala' meant talk, painted the supposed oath beside the car, and made complete fools of themselves.

* Kate OTH is quite happy to quote herself using such language.

Stella wrote:

Stewie wrote:-The boys keyword was added between between 1 dec 1998 (not listed in archive) and 18 Jan 2002 (appears in archive)

Stewie, is there any way of recovering what the website actually looked like in 2007?

I know of someone who may have a copy of it, but will need to track them down. When posters change names, it's very hard to locate them again.

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Stewie wrote:

Stella wrote:

Stewie wrote:-The boys keyword was added between between 1 dec 1998 (not listed in archive) and 18 Jan 2002 (appears in archive)

Stewie, is there any way of recovering what the website actually looked like in 2007?

I know of someone who may have a copy of it, but will need to track them down. When posters change names, it's very hard to locate them again.

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Yes on the web archive tool you can see the pages that were archived - I think it saves the whole website so it is pretty much like a normal website and you can navigate through it. I can see if I can save a screenshot and post it on here if there's something in particular you want to see..

kikoraton wrote:I've just stumbled upon this thread, and by doing so have been obliged to revisit the puzzling business of the haplotypes in the Burgau apartment. By the way, I arrived at this thread because I followed a suggestion (by tigger I think) that from the blue chairs it could be concluded that the apartment was used for a photoshoot. (I hope I've got that right, tigger).
Anyway, my reason for posting here is that I have come to suspect in the last few days that Jane Tanner did, indeed, know Robert Murat before April 2007, and that it may have been he who was in contact with her on three occasions listed in the PJ Phone Records. They are as follows:

Quote "The first record from this number occurs on 29/04/2007 at 4:12:33, on antenna
"Luz Centro 2"; and the last dated on 17 May, 2007, at 10:10:01 on antenna
"Aeroporto-Faro 2".
The existence of 294 records is observed, in which only 3,74% occur before the
disappearance of the young girl.
APRIL 2007
On 29th the mobile phone that is owned by Jane Tanner has two activations,
including the one referred to above, both on the antenna "Luz Centro 2".
On 30th there exist only two records, at 18:31:14 and 20:41:44, also on that
antenna. "

The key times are:
0412 on the morning of 29 April (which could be Murat informing Tanner that he had made the booking for his flight, which we know took place that night, between midnight and 0200 AFAIR), and
1831 and 2041 on 30 April, which might be last-minute arrangements for Murat's flight early the next morning.

It's only a hunch, but if I'm correct, the relationship Tanner/Murat was a very significant one. There's some way to go before anyone could accuse them of being in the apartment at Burgau whilst Madeleine was photographed there.
Please someone tell me if I have misread the thread, or paid insufficient attention to it.

ROSA wrote:Burgau Apartment DNA Explained: Hapless Guide to Haplotypes



Police were led to the Solimar Apartments in the first place by diligences carried out on the Polish couple reported to have been photographing children on a beach in Sagres. Nuno Lourenco de Jesus provided a witness statement, including of a record of the car registration and Robert Murat's Uncle Ralph Eveleigh provided CCTV footage of the couple visiting in his Beach Bar in Burgau. Police were able to trace the hire car to a Polish man and woman staying at the Solimar Apartments - and this is where they found the hair samples whose haplotypes matched those of Jane and Robert

roy rovers wrote:The question is not just why was this photo released but why was the ice cream arm photoshopped in this photo at all? The photo would have served its purpose without the ice cream arm.

Was it:

1. To disguise the fact that the photo is more suggestive without the ice cream arm as Maddie is leaning back and sucking on a lolly?

2. To hide something that is on the original behind the ice cream arm such as an adult hand on Maddie's waist?

3. Supposing the ice cream and arm were part of a bigger image (of which Maddie was a smaller part) but moved up and over to reduce the area of the cropping and allow the photo to be more centred on Maddie. Why reduce the area of the cropping? Was it to hide who or what or where (eg Burgau) that would have appeared in the uncropped original?

unchained melody wrote:Bump. Interesting thread

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Tigger, we're back in "Alice Day" territory I gather from what you say about symbolism. There is a topic on this subject on the forum and, if anyone needs more information, google "25th April, Alice Day".

I won't post any links as the sites inevitably contain graphic information.

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Tigger, we're back in "Alice Day" territory I gather from what you say about symbolism. There is a topic on this subject on the forum and, if anyone needs more information, google "25th April, Alice Day".

I won't post any links as the sites inevitably contain graphic information.

I didn't google but April 25th is of course a significant day in Portugal. I was reading the Madeleine foundation article on Murat last night, and this passage was interesting "Jennifer Murat said she was born 1936, nee Eveleigh, at Sidmouth in Devon. She came to live in Portugal nearly 40 years ago, in 1968 or 1969. Her late husband, John Murat, had bought a house in Burgau. She now speaks good Portuguese. She had helped her husband in his property business, but when there was a crisis in the business, on 25 April 1974, she began work as a nurse - her original profession - in Lagos Hospital. At that time her son Robert was about one year old."

Obviously the "crisis" was the revolution (or if not, a remarkable coincidence). It doesn't mean anything really, beyond how the same dates and places keep cropping up.

aquila wrote:
What do you think about the released photograph of Madeleine wearing make-up and a pearl necklace?

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

aquila wrote:
What do you think about the released photograph of Madeleine wearing make-up and a pearl necklace?

Morning Aquila,

Beyond it being absolutely ****ing awful, you mean? Frankly I think lots of the photos are odd, and that's without getting into debates about photoshopping etc (which even if it were to be true is just overegging it, for me- they're plenty weird enough as it is.)

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I don't think that any of us can possibly understand the workings of Team McCann's collective minds.

It's an awful photo, I'm not even sure that it's of Madeleine, there are some other equally unsettling ones. We can only surmise why they were thought fit to publish.

Estelle wrote:I have a question:  If the hairs that were found in the Solimar apartment belonged to Robert and Jane and the photo of Maddie with makeup on was taken on the balcony, what do you think must have been going on there? 

aquila wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

aquila wrote:
What do you think about the released photograph of Madeleine wearing make-up and a pearl necklace?

Morning Aquila,

Beyond it being absolutely ****ing awful, you mean? Frankly I think lots of the photos are odd, and that's without getting into debates about photoshopping etc (which even if it were to be true is just overegging it, for me- they're plenty weird enough as it is.)

I'm interested to know what you think of a photograph that was released by Madeleine's parents could portray her at an angle, wearing make-up and a pearl necklace?

Of all the photographs that could have been released why this one?

Clay Regazzoni wrote: [...] Last night I saw for the first time the video of "Ask the dogs, Sandra" - I'd previously only read about it - and it came across to me as the words of a man who has been given absolute assurance that he will never be held responsible for any involvement in his daughter's disappearance.