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Post by Guest 19.11.23 18:46

back to verdi's post #341

another golden oldie.

i just reread the full article that was part of, but it is very confusing, because in the after years of that one, we of course have got a lot more detail, most even by mouth of the gang themselves, and it all was always told just slightly different. 

like the now infamous videotapes no one ever have seen, only have testified about, and not with the victim of the 2005 rape case. 

and that casio was part of the much later case that happend in 2013. all that camera equipement made a fast evolution. hard to remember not even all mobile phones as they had still be called then had even a camera. i had to buy that year a new one and found a cheap pre paid from samsung that could take pictures, my still missed dark blue philips could not do that modern stuff, but he has withstand many horse teeth, some water and rain, was stepped on by a cow. kept many field posts company, because it never fitted in any pocket.

well you had it just to phone, do you know, i only once used that sms thing. as in sending one, for taking pictures we always kept it old school, the box of nokia's we got our hands on is enough for an odd job. and i am useless when it is about taking pictures, i can do all the tricks that come with traditional film and printing real pictures. even how to fake the stuff. 

and it is still just stupid to store illegal stuff on a digital camera or phone, it is so hard to make them truly gone, in the old days, all you had to do was or open up the camera and give them a bit of light, or burn the negatives, and get rid of the positives too of course, but it was much harder to prove your camera had made them. 

and the digital era is absolutely helpful in proving stuff, and being careless with illegal stuff is just making it so much easier. but this 2005 rape case is a quite unique case in that aspect. because absolutely nothing of that stuff ever have seen the daylight at all, not by the police, or in court. it is only virtual by mouth of two others of the gang, and not even about this case itself. 

and it will be used again, if they find some gusto to do it, because there are still standing two cases for it on the listings planned in the future. and going by the talking heads in diverse productions it easily could have been at least 3. 

but that many times talked about case of the findings of the old boxfactory, the trophe stock never made it into a court. well it was in another bundesland of germany of course. but you would think that famous result, would have its own right of repercussions, but no. 

thinking this case could go out with a silent whisper, it also would mean we would still know nothing for sure.

and germany is not so into publishing files, we would never learn about the consistency of modern concrete in a modern criminal investigation. we never know what these books are been about. how many lovers the guy really had. just all gone as if you blow a dust devil of your hand  at an open window. 

at least they said it in time, so you can sell your stocks in media related companies, it must be a hard blow for them too. 

and cb will just end up in the rows of murat, hewlitt, monteiro, robinson, probably half i already forgot how too spell them correctly. and other small game i really already have get out of my memory. most never have been known by a name, some workers of the ocean club, i remember a guy with pigs, a bus driver and a half wit, and there was a fourth too, with murat for the second round. gypsy's have been popular for a time. moroccans too. aussies, that one was the only female even. o no, there was a bulgarian female in purple too.

and grange of course, what will happen to them, will they just close the office, and tell they never ever have able to find anyone who did do it. none of the people they got their hands on fitted. what in itself is quitte telling. 

and it is a bad business year been for all the psychics too of course, even miss double is long forgotten. none came with the right answer. 

still madeleine is a name to make a profit of. or give your business a start over. 

but there is still much in this case to look back at. i would not miss cb at all. 
and this case can without all the strange circus acts, and even if it ever ends up in court around cb, it would still not feel as the answer that we are looking for. 

the complete cb chapter is so enormous under my standards, i do not want to understand it even. 

i feel it more effective to just take a fresh look at all stuff, taking some different turns, and see where that ends, where will it meet work done before and where could still be space to look for different views. 

ii think no one will be able to unsee all the helping hands and assistance, also from a lot of positions that you don't expect that it even could. how much of that can have another explanation, even in this cb chapter so many mouth dropping events. is there really been a how and why in all of these. 

a, well the germans never have been lucky when they draw the losers card. they will survive that one too.
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Post by PeterMac 21.11.23 11:03

It becomes ever more bizarre by the day

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-may-have-taken-pictures-buried-underground/
"German police searched a manmade reservoir in the Algarve - which they believe Brueckner frequented - in May, hoping to find clues to what happened to Madeleine.
She went missing from her bed at the age of three when she was on holiday in Portugal with her family in 2007.
Police were hunting for data drives or USB sticks which contained “trophies” from victims, according to the Sun.But none were discovered in the location where Brueckner is believed to have camped and no forensic matches are expected.
Officers now believe he had several hidden 'lairs', it has emerged."

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Of course saying he had several HIDDEN LAIRS is a good get out if you haven't found anything.  It must have been somewhere else !

But look closely.
They are allegedly looking for stuff relating to his alleged crimes in the late 90s and early 2000s.
The USB Protocol was not settled until 1996 when the first port was put on a Mac.
The memory sticks came along MUCH later and were not in general use for a long time, since existing computers and cameras did not have the necessary ports
Accepting that Brückner may have stolen equipment, we now have to suppose that he had the technology and the set-up to download from the video TAPE to a USB Memory stick, itself at the cutting edge of technology, and are then asked to believe that having done so, he drove to a popular and frequented beauty spot, dug holes in the ground and 'hid' the sticks in them.  Why ?  
""They believe he made duplicates because he loved to keep them like trophies."
But he didn't, did he.  You have just told us he buried them where any passing dog or dogger could have dug them up.
The Fat Controller really has lost control of this story.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 21.11.23 11:13

laugh more hidden lairs? Maybe there are missing a few more camper vans as well.
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Post by sandancer 21.11.23 22:42

I've got it ! 

They're playing their own version of Hide and Seek ! 

C. B . hides things , German police go seek them ! 😂😂😂

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Post by MaxHeadroom 24.11.23 5:50



New video by Pat Brown.clapping
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Post by Verdi 25.11.23 19:43

yawn

Madeleine McCann key witness who made chilling claim investigated for false evidence

Helge Büsching reportedly claimed top Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner confessed to killing the three-year-old, saying she "didn't scream" - but he could now be charged with lying to police


ByRob Hyde
Susie BeeverNews Reporter

   17:09, 25 Nov 2023

One of the key witnesses in the Madeleine McCann case is being investigated for false evidence over damning claims about key suspect Christian Brückner.

Convicted paedophile and rapist Brückner is suspected by German authorities to have abducted and killed three-year-old Madeleine, who disappeared while holidaying in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. Now the probe into Brückner has taken a dramatic turn.

His lawyer Friedrich Fülscher has filed charges, prompting the German investigators to examine whether Helge Büsching gave "unsworn false testimony". The McCann case saw a major lead in 2020 when Brückner was identified as a suspect before being officially named in 2022, with detectives earlier this year seen investigating a site near the Algarve where the German national - currently serving prison time for rape - is known to have spent time.

Büsching is said to have claimed that Brückner confessed to him about his involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, and has since been a cornerstone of the case. He had initially told authorities about video tapes he allegedly stole from Brückner, showing a range of chilling and sickening crimes. These tapes, said to be hidden in a caravan, have never been found.

‌Then in a startling twist, Helge B.'s statement changed in January 2023, where he then claimed the tapes were left in a rural property he once occupied. Now Brückner's lawyer Friedrich Fülscher has challenged Helge Büsching's credibility, citing the inconsistencies in his statements.

‌Fülscher's aggressive defense strategy includes seeking a suspension of Brückner's rape sentence and a retrial, as he strongly refutes the allegations against his client. Meanwhile, at the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, prosecutor Hans-Christian Wolters will have to decide whether Büsching's evidence is still strong and consistent enough to be used against the suspect, Christian Brückner.

The development comes amidst reports the German police probe into Brückner is on the brink of collapse. A lack of new leads connecting him to Madeleine's disappearance, as well as Büsching's apparent unwillingness to further help authorities, could mean the possibility of a prosecution is slipping away.

Madeleine's disappearance in May 2007 captured international attention and led detectives down many avenues and dead ends over the next 16 years. The youngster disappeared from the apartment she was staying in with parents Kate and Gerry McCann at the resort's Ocean Club Hotel while they were having dinner with friends.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-who-31527399


spin

What utter nonsense.

waiting

It's now 3 years and 6 months since this kicked off - no further forward.  Plenty waffle but no movement.

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Post by CaKeLoveR 25.11.23 19:56

What's the point of this? They can't believe they will ever get anywhere with it, surely? Not while CB is alive, anyway,  and the 'concrete evidence' is a fantasy whether he's living or dead. It's so stupid and tiresome.
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Post by Verdi 25.11.23 20:13

It beggars belief why they continue the twaddle - almost as though they are taking the proverbial.

They can't seriously think anyone believes the nonsense - surely?

Strike that, around and about the deluded continue to exchange comments across social media platforms - they clearly believe it.

rolleyes

It gets sillier by the week.

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Post by crusader 25.11.23 20:23

I said right at the start Busching needed looking into.
It was him that helped get CB convicted of the rape of the American lady.
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Post by Silentscope 25.11.23 20:41

This will be very Interesting if Helge B actually ends up being Charged and found Guilty of making up Stories.

it looks like they are finally giving up the wild Goose chase?
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Post by sandancer 25.11.23 21:41

He's lying !!!!!!! Shock horror !!l 

What will Herr Wolters do now ? 

Will he fall off his chair ? 😂😂😂

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Post by PeterMac 26.11.23 8:45

"Fülscher's aggressive defense strategy includes seeking a suspension of Brückner's rape sentence and a retrial, as he strongly refutes the allegations against his client. Meanwhile, at the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, prosecutor Hans-Christian Wolters will have to decide whether Büsching's evidence is still strong and consistent enough to be used against the suspect, Christian Brückner."

H. Fülscher has spoken to Dr Amaral on more than one occasion, and met him or a long weekend, some years ago.
It is 'improbable; that Gonçalo did not hand Fülscher a copy of the consultant gynaecologist's report into the old lady, which showed no evidence of rape, nd indeed a physical impossibility.

If Busching is shown to have lied, and we must bear in mind that the case hinges SOLELY on his evidence that he saw the video, then his sentence for Perjury will also take into account Perverting the course of Justice, AND the subsequent false imprisonment.
If then damages or compensation were to be awarded, Brückner might have sufficient funds to pursue others who have libelled him- and many others on this forum foe example - more recently

A very similar situation to McCanns - v Bennet in fact.
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Post by Silentscope 26.11.23 9:14

Brückner will also be owed money for any time served.

According to the Law on Compensation for Law Enforcement Measures (StrEG), wrongly convicted people are entitled to compensation for the detention suffered. Since 1.1. 2020, this has been a flat rate of 75 euros per day of detention, § 7 para. 3 StrEG.4 Aug 2023

Plus any Damages due from the various Profiteers / Libels that have already been exposed.
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Post by MaxHeadroom 26.11.23 10:09

Wow, what a shock, a multiple times convicted criminal that obviously doesn't like CB and wants to throw him under the bus is caught lying. Really surprising... not?

That Busching is dubious was obvious to anyone in their right mind from the start, but this wipes out the last doubt that he is not to be trusted and that his statement is worth nothing and will be thrown out by any court by that fact alone.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 26.11.23 10:12

Anything which takes the focus off CB as the 'main suspect' is welcome. The McCann's won't think so, but that is another bonus.
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Post by crusader 26.11.23 10:23

I think there is something we don't know about between Busching and Brueckner and Busching needs to keep Brueckner in jail for some reason.
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Post by sharonl 26.11.23 10:58

Verdi wrote:yawn

Madeleine McCann key witness who made chilling claim investigated for false evidence

Helge Büsching reportedly claimed top Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner confessed to killing the three-year-old, saying she "didn't scream" - but he could now be charged with lying to police


ByRob Hyde
Susie BeeverNews Reporter

   17:09, 25 Nov 2023

One of the key witnesses in the Madeleine McCann case is being investigated for false evidence over damning claims about key suspect Christian Brückner.

Convicted paedophile and rapist Brückner is suspected by German authorities to have abducted and killed three-year-old Madeleine, who disappeared while holidaying in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. Now the probe into Brückner has taken a dramatic turn.

His lawyer Friedrich Fülscher has filed charges, prompting the German investigators to examine whether Helge Büsching gave "unsworn false testimony". The McCann case saw a major lead in 2020 when Brückner was identified as a suspect before being officially named in 2022, with detectives earlier this year seen investigating a site near the Algarve where the German national - currently serving prison time for rape - is known to have spent time.

Büsching is said to have claimed that Brückner confessed to him about his involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, and has since been a cornerstone of the case. He had initially told authorities about video tapes he allegedly stole from Brückner, showing a range of chilling and sickening crimes. These tapes, said to be hidden in a caravan, have never been found.

‌Then in a startling twist, Helge B.'s statement changed in January 2023, where he then claimed the tapes were left in a rural property he once occupied. Now Brückner's lawyer Friedrich Fülscher has challenged Helge Büsching's credibility, citing the inconsistencies in his statements.

‌Fülscher's aggressive defense strategy includes seeking a suspension of Brückner's rape sentence and a retrial, as he strongly refutes the allegations against his client. Meanwhile, at the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig, prosecutor Hans-Christian Wolters will have to decide whether Büsching's evidence is still strong and consistent enough to be used against the suspect, Christian Brückner.

The development comes amidst reports the German police probe into Brückner is on the brink of collapse. A lack of new leads connecting him to Madeleine's disappearance, as well as Büsching's apparent unwillingness to further help authorities, could mean the possibility of a prosecution is slipping away.

Madeleine's disappearance in May 2007 captured international attention and led detectives down many avenues and dead ends over the next 16 years. The youngster disappeared from the apartment she was staying in with parents Kate and Gerry McCann at the resort's Ocean Club Hotel while they were having dinner with friends.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-who-31527399


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What utter nonsense.

waiting

It's now 3 years and 6 months since this kicked off - no further forward.  Plenty waffle but no movement.

They should investigate his financial position around the time that he lied to the police.

They also need to question the person that claims to have sought him out and allegedly interviewed him. Am I correct in thinking that that was our dear Jon Clarke from the Olive Press?
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Post by Guest 26.11.23 11:11

well, most libel is to find in the uk media, but they have probably little to fear, that would be handled under uk law, and if i remember that correctly, you must react pretty quickly to make it possible for the law to intervene, and the uk media knows that law too.

and there will be even to look in the spanish laws for work in papers and books produced and seated in that country. 

there is a bit of german stuff too. 

but to be clear, cb would not be fit to be allround innocent, or a harmless citizen. he still has quite a listing of crimes he already has convictions from these standing. it is not mister nice guy, because and when he had no hand in the case of madeleine mccann. 

and i still will have a problem with how this all is been played out in the crevices of the german laws. 
i never been a fan of bending law until it suits a need. 
and i have seen and read and heard a lot about, but with the 5 cases he could be kept in jail forever. 
i still have the same stand in opinion on that too. how could you say to your public, that even unknown cases ca do that, but 3 convictions in cases against cb that had all 3 young female german victims, nononono, that is never been enough to do that. for me that is very unrespectful. 

so in the end it is still the same german justice system that looked away for years, because there was a report made in the first case, that could be used. 

and no, the law is taken to the media, had a full dance around the world, got a bit of a shopping spree in portugal found a handful of cases they want to make use of. some we do not even know if there are really victims of a crime at all. there are still no people who stand up and said, i was a victim of this guy in these 2, and there was even a third, and they have no meaning at all in thenselves, not even the cases with a known victim, they are not there because they are a victim of a crime against them, they are just tools to get the big one. 

so the known victims are just being abused again. they do not deserve that at all. they are enough victim to have their very own attention and time in court. not by fabricating, but on the meaning of the case itself. 
and i even fear these 5 cases will end up shelved. 

the 2005 rape case, was never a true rape case, but germany had just put their own definition on rape to make it rape under their definitions of law. most countries it would called differently. more like torture by a sexual motive.
but even in the eu, all countries have still their own laws, and a lot of very different definitions about points of law. so even if it is only in germany caught under their definition of law as rape. it does not have to mean what we would call rape. but that case has enough noise in it, that it deserves a retrial. you do not want cases with so much noise , because they become part of the jurisprudence, what stands for the meaning of a definition and points of law, as a judge in court had decides about, besides the plain law text, jurisprudence will have a effect on future cases. and sloppy cases does never have a good influence on the future of the law and its meaning at all. 

besides the letter of the law, there is also the ghost of the law, that stands for the reason there is a law about. and the stance of german law of not surrendering their own nationals to a foreign court is in itself understandable, it is probably pretty old, and way of their line in other matters, they are very much pro eu, but not in this matter.

but usually this are rules of law, that are used when a foreign court seeks a national to prosecute for a crime, so it starts with the wanting to seek prosecution from a third country. that same rule is bend in this case, in stead of a third country, germany had asked portugal to look in their archives, not even for cases against a natural person, but the other way round, because of the hb interference, they had just stories, and asked portugal to search their archives for likewise cases. 

and usually you can bend the meaning of a law to being able to do that, but still gets sand in the motors of the law. i did look for other cases where they have done it likewise, but sadly most jurisprudence is behind pay walls. and i could not find a equal stance in any law thesis at all. 

it happens from time to time that countries of origine of the suspect takes over the case. we had that in pretty recent times with a case on one of the spanish islands, where some dutch nationals killed another dutch man. spain did seek prosecution, but came to a understanding, that because both the suspects and the victim had been dutch nationals, that it could be prosecuted under dutch law in a dutch court, and that is what happened.

but that agreement is mostly not seen in the case list of cb as happened in portuguese territory, there must have been some agreement, because the evidence they had to use would have to come from portugal. 
but there still could be silent agreement, because it is very well possible, most cases put restrictions from that on jail time , etc. but it becomes no longer understandable that when this never was a rape case under portuguese law, you still could prosecute it as it certainly was because it is fulfilling the definition of rape under german law. 

and that conflict is there, because remember when germany harboured that spanish politicus, he could not surrendered if the crime that was asked for was not a crime in germany. 
and these little bits work usually both ways. and in most continental law systems, the suspect under prosecution gets the favour. so why they can use it in the politicus case, but not in cb his case is strange.

2 of the 5 cases have even never been known in portugal, they only are the result of hb and ms, who are not of a good reputation because of their own criminal past. but are also so the result of a unlawful gathering, if a officer of the law would have seek that seem route, it would never reached the stated of lawfull gathering of evidence. and there is not even evidence at all, it is only fictive, and even non coherent fiction, because both have already sold many different versions of it. 

there are already many points used that need a view of the european courts, so the extraditions can never been that sound. borderline within the law, but still it counts in the overview not as good practice of the law.

also because of the endless time needed, giving the media free access to possible victims and that means it will be hard to not see that influence back in the stands in court, the public will loose out on trust in testimony.

the overall presentation of the officer under german law, in function of prosecution officer had a mild overreaction, often just borderline within reach of the boundaries given by german law, lost all normally seen as the standard in germany in media representations all over the world in a case he never was able if prosecution was even reachable. using words as personal believe, my personal standing are to be read as from his official position, but he was presented as being in that position. 
and the prosecution has everywhere these professional standings and standards to uphold. he could never have spoken the same words in australia, when it was an australian case, he had to work under australian law. worse even in portugal or to portugal media from his office in germany. 

you can not choose your own standards in that, as long as you still are representing your official position under law. the moment you are also in your position, you stop being a natural person, you are the law.
so there is no room for personal believes of principles, it is the standards and protocols that come with the position. and it is not a unknown thing for him, because he presents himself very different when he has to do a official press conference. 

and it had a result in the negative spiral the media took on, because of it. 

and most media just use the freedom, they got, because it is a case only under german law, there is often not that much restriction in the media by law, but there are often agreements. countries under a common law system have them usually to make a fair trial possible and keep the jury member more impartial. as most continental law systems have no jury or jury of pears, but professional judges, multiple judges, or judge juror position, that usually comes with a lower threshold in showing all you want in the media or press.

and because it is still only talked about in a shroud of mystery, nothing said or done is grounded on known evidence. and the law is never about believing someone is guilty, but about proving it. 

and if this ends up in just the next fiasco, as it the tradition this case is dreaded with, and that could only happen when adult people like their own personal reasons and principles over being telling the truth, it never can be solved in a way the public will accepted it as sold. 

if cb had done nasty things to other people, he deserves his time in court, and that has to be dealt with in a court of law, the rights and restrictions that put up too his name still needs that court. the media does not have a prison, they only can behave nasty or look away, but are not a representation of the law.

the media made a complete mess of their role as middleman between what happened out there and the public. and keep doing that. there is more and more fiction in it and it would not help anyone at all. it is even easier to find 3 facts about this case in 1000 social media postings than in an article of the press. 
if they are out there to find the mariana trench of media, i do hope they find it as soon as possible, because it would mean not all is lost and there can be the promise of going up in quality, because quantity they already have found.

and the german law could have chosen another pathway. they could have used one of the other cases to ask exactly the same questions, it would have given some noise to connected to the case of madeleine. but that could easily been swept away. 

do we realize that the only evidence that is found proven in all courts of law the mccanns started against amaral and portugal are still 
the work of the dogs. it is up there, upon into the european court and only one of both had to make a sound in a timely and professional manner, but never testified in a court. 
and there is nothing in the cb part of this sideshow, that can explain that!
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Post by sharonl 26.11.23 22:20

sandancer wrote:He's lying !!!!!!! Shock horror !!l 

What will Herr Wolters do now ? 

Will he fall off his chair ? 😂😂😂

Helge Busching lied to the police but is he the only one who was lying?

Didn't Wolters tell us that they had "concrete evidence" of CB abducting and murdering Madeleine?
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Post by crusader 26.11.23 22:25

Turned out it's RAAC crumbling concrete, just like his case against Brueckner.
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Post by Verdi 30.11.23 11:34

Yes garfy, I copied over on the Olive Press fred because I was surprised to see Jon superman Clarke's name at the fore of a Waily Snail report.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t17161p200-olive-press-the-man-the-money-the-mischief#476095

You are of course correct to post it here  thumbsup .

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Post by Verdi 30.11.23 12:34

Stupidity is of course that this same cobblers has been regurgitated bi-annually since it first hit the headlines back in June 2020, which created a flurry of hysteria that still rumbles on to this day - and henceforth.

Christian B expected to be tried by the end of the year; Christian B set to be charged at beginning of next year Brueckner will finally face prosecution this summer; Brueckner is due to appear before the courts early in the new year blah blah blah, it's like a friggin' merrygoround only not very merry.

What's the betting before February 2024 something crops up to delay proceedings.

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Post by Verdi 30.11.23 15:59

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Madeleine McCann suspect to stand trial on five separate sexual assault charges

Christian Brueckner is currently in jail in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman


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A man under investigation for the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann will stand trial in Germany on five separate sexual assault charges.

Convicted child abuser Christian Brueckner, who is behind bars in Germany for raping a woman in the same area of the Algarve region of Portugal from where Madeleine went missing in 2007, was formally identified as an official suspect in the McCann case in April 2022.

Under German privacy rules, a spokesperson would not give the name of the suspect, who is charged with three counts of aggravated rape and two counts of sexual abuse of children in Portugal between 12 December 2000 and 11 June 2017.

The court in the German city of Braunschweig set 16 February as the start date for the trial.

Brueckner was first named in connection with the unsolved disappearance that summer, but was only officially named as a suspect last year.

He had reportedly been using a yellow and white VW T3 Westfalia campervan in and around Praia da Luz – near the resort where the McCanns were holidaying at the time Madeleine vanished.

German prosecutors say telecomms data shows Brueckner received a phone call on 3 May 2007 near their holiday apartment.

More follows on this breaking news story

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-germany-trial-b2456252.html


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Post by Guest 01.12.23 6:32

well the program is out, it is supposed to start of indeed start februari 16th, but they get it directly into full serialization.

link to the german official message; 
https://landgericht-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/aktuelles/verfahren-vor-der-2-strafkammer-im-zusammenhang-mit-funf-taten-gegen-die-sexuelle-selbstbestimmung-aktenzeichen-2-kls-213-js-52790-18-15-22-hier-mitteilung-der-hauptverhandlungstermine-227619.html

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The main hearing in proceedings 2 KLs 213 Js 52790/18 (15/22) will begin on:

Friday, 16 February 2024, at 09:00 a.m.

in room 141 of the Braunschweig Regional Court

Münzstraße 17, 38100 Braunschweig

Further continuation dates have been scheduled for

Friday, 23 February 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Friday, 01 March 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Thursday, 14 March 2024, 11:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 03 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Friday, 05 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 10 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Friday, 12 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 17 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Friday, 19 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 24 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Friday, 26 April 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Thursday, 02 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Friday, 03 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 08 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 15 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Thursday, 16 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Friday, 17 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Tuesday, 21 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 22 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Thursday, 23 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Tuesday, 28 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 29 May 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Tuesday, 04 June 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 05 June 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Thursday, 06 June 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Tuesday, 25 June 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Wednesday, 26 June 2024, 09:00 a.m.

Thursday, 27 June 2024, 09:00 a.m.

expected: Room 141

Please note that the overview of dates is not binding. Any changes can be found on the notice board in the court and will also be announced by the press office in a press release.

and by this, we also get another head of media of course, because it will be the media liaison from the court.

so the tabloid forecast will be probably quite busy, with the regular showers of exclusives, also from time to time by lines from german with come together with the high pressure of reporting people. 
long term outlook could be a bit grimm.
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