The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

sharonl wrote:Allegedly, he has been moved to a cell of his own.

Why?

Afraid that he will speak to his cell mates?

Has he been promised an early release and a new identity in exchange for being a patsy?

Doug D wrote:Pat Brown blog from yesterday.
 
Moving away from ‘after 5.30 on the Thursday’ maybe?
 
‘I know many of you might say this means that Maddie was dead for many days. I still would think that is an unlikely scenario. It is far more likely that something would have only happened the day before and there was less than 24 hours to figure out what to do. The evening was still a mess and reeks of panic.’ 
 
https://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-new-madeleine-mccann-suspect.html

Milo wrote:Verdi, a couple of reasons why lots of people can't see what you see (#564) IMHO

(a) they have not read the police files or Amaral's book or the statement analyses of Hyatt and McLish or watched Hall's series or read all of the postings to date in this forum or at least the threads of certain contributors or the books written by contributors (I could list them but would be afraid I left out a person of insight and significance) or... or... ; and (b) they don't have the insights into the way the minds of plotters and liars operate .. which might indicate that they are nice people who don't pick up on some of the McCann team's tactics, which is not to say that they are not genuine in their search for the truth.

I have spent thousands of hours obsessing over Madeleine's non-abduction since the day it was first reported and, in the September after the May non-abduction, innocently sprouting my theory to Colin Sutton during after-work drinks in a hotel in Addis Ababa. 

The questions that continue to haunt me are:

1. Why did the UK government, SY, The Met, Lec. police, various other police, certain laboratories, MI5 etc. get involved and why did some of them have so much success in embedding the abduction scenario in people's minds? 

2. How can the Tapas 7 remain loyal to each other and the McCanns, given the secret that they share? (There is only one couple to my knowledge who have separated since the event.)

3. How come people across the globe but particularly in the UK and Australia turn away from the scientific method, not just in the MM case but also in the Saint Greta of Climate Change scam, and Covid-19 (where nobodies in politics and nobodies in medicine argue with Nobel Prize winners in immunology and epidemiology)? 

4.Why are so many journalists and so many commentators so stupid?

I hope I live long enough to have my Question 1 answered.

Thanks to all on this forum who turn their minds to this mystery, a mystery about the non-abduction of an English child in Portugal and a mystery about human nature, power and deviant behaviour.

Batman wrote:And the reason I posted on a forum for the first time in 13 years is...

MTSTAR wrote:

Verdi wrote:

For this reason, there is a need for a systematic approach to core policing functions to deal with the complexity. And it is vital to have a thorough, well documented investigation strategy.

Mmmm ....  and that's why Operation Grange was established nine years ago - allegedly, am I right?

So, where are they now, a step back from where they started - chasing a German prisoner who clearly had no involvement with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

This is disgusting.  I hope it's not costing the British taxpayer any more than already squandered - or the Portuguese public for that matter.

If I was a serial burglar, I don’t think I’d panic at the sight of a three year old in bed! I’d ignore the child, grab what I could and leave.  There’s hardly going to be a photofit description coming is there?  Sorry if this in the wrong place.  It’s just been bugging me.

Are you my daddy?

Yes!

No you're not, you're smelly, wearing a mask and you talk funny

No I'm not and I don't!

Go away you silly man or I'll squeem and squeem ans squeem till I'm thick .... and I can

pauloalexandre wrote:In a criminal investigation, there are 4 questions that need to be addressed in this exact order:

1. WHAT HAPPENED?
2. HOW DID IT HAPPEN?
3. WHO DID IT?
4. WHY DID HE/SHE/THEY IT?

In the case of Madeleine McCann, we saw a lot of effort from the UK government to convince the Portuguese police that Madeleine had been the victim of an "abduction", without any evidence whatsoever. So they were starting with an assumption that she had been abducted, and looking for the boogeyman who did it, without establishing what happened and how it happened.

The German police is no different.

The German prosecutor said: "We are assuming that the girl is dead."

By assuming that she was kidnapped and then later murdered, the German police is not conducting a real investigation. Because in a real investigation, the crime scene is examined to establish "WHAT HAPPENED". As it stands, the crime scene was indeed thoroughly searched and examined by the Portuguese police and they found no evidence of an intruder/abductor.

If there is no evidence that Madeleine was abducted, no genuine police investigation can start with that assumption.

So, is the German police also involved in the cover-up? I don't know, but they surely aren't doing justice to Madeleine McCann by narrowing down the scope of their probe.

Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?

pauloalexandre wrote:

Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?

I was quoting the German prosecutor, from his press conference.

As for UK government agencies, it's been pretty much documented, in books such as "The Truth of the Lie", that they were highly involved in the case and their job, in my opinion, was to distract the PJ with false leads.

Milo wrote:Verdi, a couple of reasons why lots of people can't see what you see (#564) IMHO

(a) they have not read the police files or Amaral's book or the statement analyses of Hyatt and McLish or watched Hall's series or read all of the postings to date in this forum or at least the threads of certain contributors or the books written by contributors (I could list them but would be afraid I left out a person of insight and significance) or... or... ; and (b) they don't have the insights into the way the minds of plotters and liars operate .. which might indicate that they are nice people who don't pick up on some of the McCann team's tactics, which is not to say that they are not genuine in their search for the truth.

Batman wrote:For a start, in the last sentence quoted above, no pedophile planning to snatch a child the next day is going to refer to it as an unpleasant task. But being required to dispose of her cadaver...that's a different matter.

Batman wrote:This isn't about murder, it's about concealment and disposal of a cadaver and it's completely aligned with what most people on this forum believe, if they're open to the possibility that T2 needed help to dispose of the body.

Verdi wrote:

Milo wrote:Verdi, a couple of reasons why lots of people can't see what you see (#564) IMHO

(a) they have not read the police files or Amaral's book or the statement analyses of Hyatt and McLish or watched Hall's series or read all of the postings to date in this forum or at least the threads of certain contributors or the books written by contributors (I could list them but would be afraid I left out a person of insight and significance) or... or... ; and (b) they don't have the insights into the way the minds of plotters and liars operate .. which might indicate that they are nice people who don't pick up on some of the McCann team's tactics, which is not to say that they are not genuine in their search for the truth.

Why of course Milo, when touching on the case of Madeleine McCann as a whole.  However, my comments only related to the latest suspect - the German prisoner.

Just like the early days of Madeleine Mccann's disappearance, the blitz of coverage on this latest suspect changes drastically from one day to the next and from one newspaper to the next.  

Why can't people see that?  The story is utter nonsense from beginning to end and it's gaining momentum by the day in the tabloids.  New witnesses coming out of the blue to testify against the suspect, properties and vehicles never before mentioned, lurking strangers and whatever else.

It's nothing short of risible.

Madeleine McCann was not abducted.

cookiemuncher wrote:

pauloalexandre wrote:

Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?

I was quoting the German prosecutor, from his press conference.

As for UK government agencies, it's been pretty much documented, in books such as "The Truth of the Lie", that they were highly involved in the case and their job, in my opinion, was to distract the PJ with false leads.

I can remember going back a long time ago that Martin Grimes, Eddie and Keela's handler, said that he was met by officers from MI5 when he arrived back at the airport in the UK.  I can't remember the exact details but why would MI5 be involved unless there was something underhand going on and they wanted to get to him first to "read him the riot act a.k.a keep your mouth shut" before other people did.

It could have been mentioned in GA's book, but my memory is very foggy these days, old age! 

cookiemuncher wrote:

pauloalexandre wrote:

Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?

I was quoting the German prosecutor, from his press conference.

As for UK government agencies, it's been pretty much documented, in books such as "The Truth of the Lie", that they were highly involved in the case and their job, in my opinion, was to distract the PJ with false leads.

I can remember going back a long time ago that Martin Grimes, Eddie and Keela's handler, said that he was met by officers from MI5 when he arrived back at the airport in the UK.  I can't remember the exact details but why would MI5 be involved unless there was something underhand going on and they wanted to get to him first to "read him the riot act a.k.a keep your mouth shut" before other people did.

It could have been mentioned in GA's book, but my memory is very foggy these days, old age! 

Batman wrote:

cookiemuncher wrote:

pauloalexandre wrote:

Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?

I was quoting the German prosecutor, from his press conference.

As for UK government agencies, it's been pretty much documented, in books such as "The Truth of the Lie", that they were highly involved in the case and their job, in my opinion, was to distract the PJ with false leads.

I can remember going back a long time ago that Martin Grimes, Eddie and Keela's handler, said that he was met by officers from MI5 when he arrived back at the airport in the UK.  I can't remember the exact details but why would MI5 be involved unless there was something underhand going on and they wanted to get to him first to "read him the riot act a.k.a keep your mouth shut" before other people did.

It could have been mentioned in GA's book, but my memory is very foggy these days, old age! 

All true. But the german prosecutor is part of the plan to catch the criminals and will say what he needs to say to get the job done. 

And yes, MI5's involvement is supported by Amaral's book and the D notices. But that, in itself, only demonstrates that national interests were or are at stake. Nothing else.

So thank you for your responses, Paulo and cookiecruncher but these facts, which we all agree on, do not undermine the possibility that the true nature of the investigation may be different to the public version.

In any event, time will tell and if it turns out to be an EU-GB conspiracy, I will be just as disappointed as both of you.

Batman wrote:So thank you for your responses, Paulo and cookiecruncher but these facts, which we all agree on, do not undermine the possibility that the true nature of the investigation may be different to the public version.

In any event, time will tell and if it turns out to be an EU-GB conspiracy, I will be just as disappointed as both of you.

cookiemuncher wrote:

Batman wrote:

cookiemuncher wrote:

pauloalexandre wrote:

Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?

I was quoting the German prosecutor, from his press conference.

As for UK government agencies, it's been pretty much documented, in books such as "The Truth of the Lie", that they were highly involved in the case and their job, in my opinion, was to distract the PJ with false leads.

I can remember going back a long time ago that Martin Grimes, Eddie and Keela's handler, said that he was met by officers from MI5 when he arrived back at the airport in the UK.  I can't remember the exact details but why would MI5 be involved unless there was something underhand going on and they wanted to get to him first to "read him the riot act a.k.a keep your mouth shut" before other people did.

It could have been mentioned in GA's book, but my memory is very foggy these days, old age! 

All true. But the german prosecutor is part of the plan to catch the criminals and will say what he needs to say to get the job done. 

And yes, MI5's involvement is supported by Amaral's book and the D notices. But that, in itself, only demonstrates that national interests were or are at stake. Nothing else.

So thank you for your responses, Paulo and cookiecruncher but these facts, which we all agree on, do not undermine the possibility that the true nature of the investigation may be different to the public version.

In any event, time will tell and if it turns out to be an EU-GB conspiracy, I will be just as disappointed as both of you.

I've found this on the internet regarding Mark Harrison and Martin Grimes, MI5 and others -

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_about_the_costs_of_t

It's worth a read.

I forgot to mention that it's a SOI Act from Tony Bennett.  I'm still learning, I'm doing my best.  

pauloalexandre wrote:

cookiemuncher wrote:

pauloalexandre wrote:

Batman wrote:Can I ask how you know what was said by the Met to the PJ or the Germans?

I was quoting the German prosecutor, from his press conference.

As for UK government agencies, it's been pretty much documented, in books such as "The Truth of the Lie", that they were highly involved in the case and their job, in my opinion, was to distract the PJ with false leads.

I can remember going back a long time ago that Martin Grimes, Eddie and Keela's handler, said that he was met by officers from MI5 when he arrived back at the airport in the UK.  I can't remember the exact details but why would MI5 be involved unless there was something underhand going on and they wanted to get to him first to "read him the riot act a.k.a keep your mouth shut" before other people did.

It could have been mentioned in GA's book, but my memory is very foggy these days, old age! 

I heard Gonçalo Amaral say that in an interview back in 2014, and it wasn't Martin Grime. It was Mark Harrison, who was one of the key people in bringing forward the cadaver and blood dogs.

You also had British profilers arriving at Praia da Luz, who were instrumental in naming Robert Murat as the most likely suspect of Madeleine's abduction (90% likelihood, so they said). Again, they were assuming that she had been abducted.

The German police is behaving in the same way - they are assuming that Madeleine was killed after having been abducted by a stranger, and are now looking for that "stranger".

That's not an investigation. It's a diversion tactic.

Verdi wrote:

Batman wrote:For a start, in the last sentence quoted above, no pedophile planning to snatch a child the next day is going to refer to it as an unpleasant task. But being required to dispose of her cadaver...that's a different matter.

It's a press report - The Sun to be precise.  Notoriously inaccurate and most certainly very very pro McCann.

Batman wrote:This isn't about murder, it's about concealment and disposal of a cadaver and it's completely aligned with what most people on this forum believe, if they're open to the possibility that T2 needed help to dispose of the body.

In your opinion.

ETA:  What's T2?

Batman wrote:I won't promote my perspective any more as I have no wish to upset people or derail the amazing work you and many others have done to date. But I hope I'm allowed to defend it in the way that I have here?

sharonl wrote:Is this the old barn or farmhouse that these reports are relating to?

Blood on towel may be from Madeleine

Sunday Express
By Matt Drake in Praia da Luz and James Murray
2 December 2007

THE hunt for Madeleine McCann was last night centred on a disused barn near Praia da Luz, where police found a towel possibly stained with the fouryear-old's blood.

Fibres found on the towel allegedly match fibres from the hire car rented by Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

Portuguese detectives discussed the breakthrough when they met police and a Crown Prosecution Service official last week in Leicester.

Today, for the first time, the Sunday Express can shed light on the new avenue police are pursuing in the hope of a breakthrough in the baffling case.

Based on fresh information from a mobile phone surveillance, police began a search of an area in the south east of the resort.

They came across a towel, with an Aztec design, by a disused barn in a remote area near Praia da Luz.

Portuguese sources say forensic scientists used a substance called luminol to look for blood deposits and found three sites on the edges of the towel.

From the sites they tested the blood deposits to see if there was a match with Madeleine McCann's DNA.

Although the samples were not good quality the scientists were able to do what is called low copy analysis which showed there was "moderate" support to suggest the deposits matched Madeleine's blood.

The results were not conclusive and are not regarded as being strong enough to be presented as evidence in any court case.

But close analysis of the towel revealed fibres which were not made of the towel material.

The fibre fragments were microscopically examined against fibres found in the boot of the Renault Scenic car hired by the McCanns 25 days after Maddie vanished.

Portuguese police sources say there was "strong support" that the fibres found on the towel matched fibres from the boot of the car.

One possibility being considered by the Portuguese detectives was that the towel had at some point been in the boot of the Renault Scenic car, which would explain how fibres had got on it.

Meanwhile, a close friend of Kate and Gerry McCann who was holidaying with them when Madeleine vanished will be questioned by Portuguese police this week over a "mystery' phone call.

Dr Russell O'Brien, 36, has come under investigation after a team of telephone surveillance officers highlighted a mobile call made to the missing four-year-old's father more than a month after she disappeared.

Portuguese detectives are now working on the theory that a call made between Gerry McCann, 39, and Dr O'Brien is the missing link that could help them find Madeleine's body.

Investigators are focussing their inquiry on the exact whereabouts of Dr O'Brien when the call was made on June 10.

Gerry McCann said the call was made within four kilometres of the Mark Warner resort.

But technicians have now dismissed his claim after examining data records taken from specified areas near to where the child went missing.

It is understood key words aroused police suspicions.


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