Re: The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

by Doug D 10.06.20 7:57

Heriberto Janosch González, a Spanish criminologist who works in computer science, was contacted by officers from Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office just hours after he sent them a picture he uncovered this week from early June 2007 — just weeks after the young girl disappeared.

‘The van, a distinctive white and yellow VW T3 Westfalia from the 1980s appears to be parked near a run-down farmhouse where the suspect lived until late 2006 and could offer clues as to where Christian Brückner went in the aftermath of Madeleine’s abduction....’

But then according to the Sun:

“Then Christian went off the radar the day after the abduction. Both his exes became more suspicious when he didn’t return to the area for around three years.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11823591/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job/

Or he was in the Spanish place 600 miles away,

Or he was staying with the family who were scared of him

Or he was back in Germany selling drugs till a conviction in 2011

Or……….

Or………

Just make it up and fill in the blanks. Doesn’t have to be true. The papers will pay you for it.

by **PeterMac** 10.06.20 8:01

He was living there.
So his van was outside.
He was investigated as a possible suspect.
He was eliminated

Now we come to the 'ludicrous' journalism.
Are journalists forbidden by their Hypocritic Oath to use Google maps or the internet to check their facts?

The house they say he was in is not 'just a mile away'. Not even the 2 miles quoted by some other papers.
it is 4.37 km in a straight line, cross country, as the fly crows...
In English that is 2.715 miles, 2 miles 1250 yards.
By road since we assume the van is involved, even though it has been forensically checked and there is nothing to find, the distance is conveniently just over 8 km, which we all know is just over 5 miles

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by Doug D 10.06.20 8:45

Sorry PeterMac, but you’ve got the wrong house. The campervan aerial photo is by the ‘trashed’ villa just outside PdL (see my location shots @ #412).

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The Mail manages to tie it all together by lying.

‘Extradited back to Germany from Portugal in 1999’. Where has that suddenly come from?

You couldn’t make this stuff up, but the Mail have managed it!

‘known to frequently drive the 1,600 miles between Bavaria and the Algarve’

That’s another new one, needed to show how he could have managed all these offences.

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Christian Brueckner has been linked to the murder of a German schoolgirl who disappeared nearly 20 years ago.

Peggy Knobloch was nine when she vanished on her way home from school in 2001.

Part of her skeleton was discovered 15 years later by a mushroom picker in a Bavarian forest, around 60 miles from her home in Lichtenberg, Upper Franconia.

The town is roughly 100 miles from Brueckner's home town of Wurzburg.

Around the same period Brueckner, who had recently served jail time for child abuse, was known to frequently drive the 1,600 miles between Bavaria and the Algarve.

Brueckner was released from prison in Bavaria at the end of 2000 – just months before Peggy went missing. He had been jailed on child sex abuse charges after being extradited back to Germany from Portugal the previous year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404151/Christian-Brueckner-linked-murder-German-schoolgirl.html

by Liz Eagles 10.06.20 8:58

There is a claim by a woman who has waived her right to anonymity that CB sexually assaulted her and videoed it.

by kaz 10.06.20 9:26

The Mail today has even printed two photographs showing a look alike Madeleine next to a well publicised photograph of Madeleine herself. ( you'd think they were twins. Same hairstyle, shape face, smile ……………………….) This other little girl is also presumed to be a victim. The subtext seems to be that this vile man had a penchant for this '' type.''
Well the latest tabloid story appears to be that the German broke ( ?) into the apartment intending to steal VALUABLE property , saw Maddy and took her instead. Demolishes the whole story. Why on earth do these '' journalists'' keep this rubbish up ?

by **PeterMac** 10.06.20 9:26

Confusion is a wonderful thing !

by cookiemuncher 10.06.20 10:05

kaz wrote:The Mail today has even printed two photographs showing a look alike Madeleine next to a well publicised photograph of Madeleine herself. ( you'd think they were twins. Same hairstyle, shape face, smile ……………………….) This other little girl is also presumed to be a victim. The subtext seems to be that this vile man had a penchant for this '' type.''
Well the latest tabloid story appears to be that the German broke ( ?) into the apartment intending to steal VALUABLE property , saw Maddy and took her instead. Demolishes the whole story. Why on earth do these '' journalists'' keep this rubbish up ?

He wouldn't have had to break in if the patio sliding doors were left unlocked as the McCanns stated they were and he had been watching them coming and going apparently, so the newspapers keeping ramming down our throats.

There were also things lying around he could have picked up easily whilst he went to get Madeleine, 5 passports in the McCanns bedside cabinet, a camera sitting on the dining room table which he would have had to walk past to get to the kids' bedroom. He also had no need to climb out the window with Madeleine, which would have been a squash as only one side of the window opened and he would have had to carry Madeline or pass her out to someone, if the patio door was open, he could have just walked out with her.

There was also only one finger print on the window, that of Kate McCann's, and as Peter has stated in the past many times the shutters can't be opened from the outside as they make a loud metal scraping noise if they're forced.

Also there was the cadaver odour in the apartment which was detected by the dog, including in the wardrobe, where a blue bag sat on the shelf which the dog also detected to. It went missing after it was photographed by the PJ and Clarence Mitchell was adamant that the McCanns never owned a blue bag even though it was photographed in the wardrobe. Cadaver odour takes about an hour to form, minimum, I think.

by Guest 10.06.20 10:22

It must have been CB who left incriminating books by Gerry and Kate McCann's bed. What forethought!

by cookiemuncher 10.06.20 10:36

CaKeLoveR wrote:It must have been CB who left incriminating books by Gerry and Kate McCann's bed. What forethought!

I'd forgotten about those books, very incriminating, as you say. If I remember rightly I think one of them stated that sea bass has the same smell as a cadaver, strange how GM started mentioning that Sean got a liking for sea bass although he failed to mention that it's full of bones which a child as young as Sean was at that time could have choked on. Even I can't deal with bones and I've been eating fish for years, fish bones are a no no to me. Even the Queen Mother ended up in hospital many years ago when she swallowed a fish bone.

by cookiemuncher 10.06.20 11:31

CaKeLoveR wrote:It must have been CB who left incriminating books by Gerry and Kate McCann's bed. What forethought!

I think it was Jim Gamble who gave those books to GM. As it says on the side bar to the right that he congratulated SKY journalist Martin Brunt who doorstepped Brenda Leyland, she was later found dead in a hotel room. SKY put the doorstepping encounter on 24/7 TV, every 15 minutes I recall. Strange how that's never been done to the McCanns and they were the ones who "lost" Madeleine. Everyone seems to be at blame for her disappearance except the McCanns.

The McCanns seem to leave a wake of chaos behind them, wherever they go or whatever they do, but they always come up smelling of roses for some reason.

by Armchair-defective 10.06.20 11:55

This German judge isn't buying it.....

''In an explosive podcast, criminal law expert Dr Thomas Fischer blasted German police for the "unpleasant undertone" to their probe into the Brit girl's disappearance.
Dr Fischer, a former federal judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.
He said: "You don't know whether the child is dead or not.
"There are certain plausibilities that derive from criminal experience but which I think are spread with a certain unpleasant undertone also by the investigative authorities.
"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."
Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.
"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.
"It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-german-prosecutor-madeleine-mccann-22159295

https://www.swr.de/swr2/leben-und-gesellschaft/podcast-sprechen-wir-ueber-mord-100.html

by plebgate 10.06.20 12:26

Have they asked him if he did a trial run the night before?

by Dr What 10.06.20 12:43

Whilst this Brueckner bloke is not worthy of one second of sympathy and whilst acknowledging that he could have been/was involved in all sorts of illegal activity in the Algarve, it appears that there is a co-ordinated attempt to link him to the McCann case. If the German Police have definite evidence, then they should say so.All this wink-wink, nudge -nudge 'we know something but cannot share it with you and we need your help to prove it', has simply meant that our wonderful blood-hound journalists are running around in circles as they have willingly done for years.

Asking the public for info is fair enough, but the German Police, by saying that they believe she is dead and in the same breathe wanting info about Brueckner are trying to fit him into their assumptions.Assuming the statements/movements of the Tapas lot are as honest as the day is long[!!?] then how anyone could have carried out the preferred narrative of an abduction is beyond belief.

In addition, the Public have already assisted with info before....and introduced potential paedophile overtones...simply read Dr. Gaspar statement.Whatever happened to that? Has it ever been acknowledged and officially investigated and dismissed? Now why have our blood-hound journos not sniffed around that I wonder?

by Verdi 10.06.20 12:53

Post of the week ^^^ thumbsup

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Now why have our blood-hound journos not sniffed around that I wonder?

by cookiemuncher 10.06.20 12:59

Dr What wrote:Whilst this Brueckner bloke is not worthy of one second of sympathy and whilst acknowledging that he could have been/was involved in all sorts of illegal activity in the Algarve, it appears that there is a co-ordinated attempt to link him to the McCann case. If the German Police have definite evidence, then they should say so.All this wink-wink, nudge -nudge 'we know something but cannot share it with you and we need your help to prove it', has simply meant that our wonderful blood-hound journalists are running around in circles as they have willingly done for years.

Asking the public for info is fair enough, but the German Police, by saying that they believe she is dead and in the same breathe wanting info about Brueckner are trying to fit him into their assumptions.Assuming the statements/movements of the Tapas lot are as honest as the day is long[!!?] then how anyone could have carried out the preferred narrative of an abduction is beyond belief.

In addition, the Public have already assisted with info before....and introduced potential paedophile overtones...simply read Dr. Gaspar statement.Whatever happened to that? Has it ever been acknowledged and officially investigated and dismissed? Now why have our blood-hound journos not sniffed around that I wonder?

And wasn't it SY who hung on to the Gaspar statements for 6 months before sending them to the PJ? yes

by Verdi 10.06.20 13:08

This getting beyond a joke. It's sick.

MADELEINE MCCANN was murdered soon after she was kidnapped, the German prosecutor leading the investigation believes.

Prime suspect Christian B is said to have boasted about torture and destroying evidence in an online conversation with another paedophile.

He made threats about wanting to “catch something little and use it for days”.

German cops investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, aged five, – who Christian B has also been linked to – discovered the conversation.

During the chat, when Christian B was asked about being caught, he allegedly said: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed . . .”

He then added: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.”

This comes after a British ex-girlfriend of Christian B claimed the night before the toddler vanished he told her: “I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/

by Verdi 10.06.20 13:15

Madeleine McCann was not kidnapped or abducted or snatched or burgled.

Why oh why are they being allowed to run this story. Are media ethics a thing of the past - or did they ever exist?

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14767p275-documented-evidence#419714

by Verdi 10.06.20 13:29

by crispbee2000 10.06.20 13:32

cookiemuncher wrote:
Dr What wrote:Whilst this Brueckner bloke is not worthy of one second of sympathy and whilst acknowledging that he could have been/was involved in all sorts of illegal activity in the Algarve, it appears that there is a co-ordinated attempt to link him to the McCann case. If the German Police have definite evidence, then they should say so.All this wink-wink, nudge -nudge 'we know something but cannot share it with you and we need your help to prove it', has simply meant that our wonderful blood-hound journalists are running around in circles as they have willingly done for years.

Asking the public for info is fair enough, but the German Police, by saying that they believe she is dead and in the same breathe wanting info about Brueckner are trying to fit him into their assumptions.Assuming the statements/movements of the Tapas lot are as honest as the day is long[!!?] then how anyone could have carried out the preferred narrative of an abduction is beyond belief.

In addition, the Public have already assisted with info before....and introduced potential paedophile overtones...simply read Dr. Gaspar statement.Whatever happened to that? Has it ever been acknowledged and officially investigated and dismissed? Now why have our blood-hound journos not sniffed around that I wonder?
And wasn't it SY who hung on to the Gaspar statements for 6 months before sending them to the PJ?

Surely it was the Leicestershire Police that held onto it? Either way it appears that DP is a very unlucky chap indeed. Two foreign holidays in the space of a few years and two independent professionals raise concerns about him. He must have dropped and smashed a mirror whilst tripping over a black cat and ending up under a ladder. Of course, I'm sure that there's nothing to any of it.

by cookiemuncher 10.06.20 14:05

crispbee2000 wrote:
cookiemuncher wrote:
Dr What wrote:Whilst this Brueckner bloke is not worthy of one second of sympathy and whilst acknowledging that he could have been/was involved in all sorts of illegal activity in the Algarve, it appears that there is a co-ordinated attempt to link him to the McCann case. If the German Police have definite evidence, then they should say so.All this wink-wink, nudge -nudge 'we know something but cannot share it with you and we need your help to prove it', has simply meant that our wonderful blood-hound journalists are running around in circles as they have willingly done for years.

Asking the public for info is fair enough, but the German Police, by saying that they believe she is dead and in the same breathe wanting info about Brueckner are trying to fit him into their assumptions.Assuming the statements/movements of the Tapas lot are as honest as the day is long[!!?] then how anyone could have carried out the preferred narrative of an abduction is beyond belief.

In addition, the Public have already assisted with info before....and introduced potential paedophile overtones...simply read Dr. Gaspar statement.Whatever happened to that? Has it ever been acknowledged and officially investigated and dismissed? Now why have our blood-hound journos not sniffed around that I wonder?
And wasn't it SY who hung on to the Gaspar statements for 6 months before sending them to the PJ?
Surely it was the Leicestershire Police that held onto it? Either way it appears that DP is a very unlucky chap indeed. Two foreign holidays in the space of a few years and two independent professionals raise concerns about him. He must have dropped and smashed a mirror whilst tripping over a black cat and ending up under a ladder. Of course, I'm sure that there's nothing to any of it.

Yes, you're right. My mistake sorry. The Leics Police not SY.

by carole 10.06.20 14:17

The FULL article which was first published on the 5th June 2020 in The Conversation is titled Madeleine McCann: Investigation was flawed from the start, says senior detective who was there. Some parts have been edited out of the i article since this morning.

by Guest 10.06.20 14:18

The German police must be aware of this forum, whose members have been giving information since it was set up, with detailed investigation ,and writing to police forces and MPs.

by carole 10.06.20 14:36

The above post refers to an article written by Graham Hills, an ex CEOP Detective Superintendent and now a Research Fellow at Leeds University.
It is clear that the article is pro McCann, pro stranger abduction theories and is a blatant attack on the Portuguese Police.
It is worth reading as I believe there are some factual errors in it that need highlighting, particularly that have now been edited out.
I apologise for presenting it this way, I am a bit of a computer dunce.

by **Jill Havern** 10.06.20 14:50

Verdi wrote:This getting beyond a joke. It's sick.

MADELEINE MCCANN was murdered soon after she was kidnapped, the German prosecutor leading the investigation believes.

Prime suspect Christian B is said to have boasted about torture and destroying evidence in an online conversation with another paedophile.

He made threats about wanting to “catch something little and use it for days”.

German cops investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, aged five, – who Christian B has also been linked to – discovered the conversation.

During the chat, when Christian B was asked about being caught, he allegedly said: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed . . .”

He then added: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.”

This comes after a British ex-girlfriend of Christian B claimed the night before the toddler vanished he told her: “I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/

Yes it certainly is sick.

Why do we only ever hear about the McParents being upset with 'trolls' but not with sicko journalists who make up disgusting stories like this?

This is a three year old girl for goodness sake!

Where is the outrage from people like Pam Gurney, eh?
Well, Pam? I know you read here...

by **Jill Havern** 10.06.20 14:52

carole wrote:The FULL article which was first published on the 5th June 2020 in The Conversation is titled Madeleine McCann: Investigation was flawed from the start, says senior detective who was there. Some parts have been edited out of the i article since this morning.

Here you go:
https://theconversation.com/madeleine-mccann-investigation-was-flawed-from-the-start-says-senior-detective-who-was-there-140132

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.