Re: Madeleine McCann: Government 'gives police £154,000' to extend search for missing toddler

by NickE 29.09.17 21:54

aquila wrote:
NickE wrote:£ 154,000 more!!!
It looks like someone or somebody in the establishment have some catches on each other and doing blackmail in one way or another.

I feel sorry for the British taxpayers.
The only people I feel sorry for are Madeleine McCann and her siblings.

I think we all have felt sorry for them since 2007 but that was not the question here, the question was about the money.

by Verdi 29.09.17 23:39

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Thanks to PeterMac - Hogan-Howe's medals:

FROM LEFT TO RIGHT - AS WE LOOK AT THEM

Queen’s Police Medal (Given to Chief Constables, and a few others)
QE II Golden Jubilee. (Given to everyone in service on that date)
QE II Silver Jubilee (Given to everyone in service on that date)
Police Long service (Given to everyone at 22 years)

His Knight Bachelor is on the ribbon round his neck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Hogan-Howe

I wonder if Professor Gerald McCann got one for his outstanding ovation at the 2007 UK police bravery awards ceremony - attended by His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales and other notable names including Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, Shadow Home secretary George Osborne, Crimewatch presenter Nick Ross, model Nell McAndrew, television presenter Natasha Kaplinsky and Rebekah Wade, editor of The Sun newspaper which sponsors the awards.

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Madeleine McCann: Government 'gives police £154,000' to extend search for missing toddler - Page 3 Npia_mccann

Madeleine's father hails UK police Friday, 13 Jul 2007

The father of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann has praised the "sterling work" of police officers and detectives in the UK.

Speaking at the National Police Federation annual bravery awards last night, Gerry McCann said the role of police forces was "often not appreciated until you really need their help".

Leaving his wife Kate and two young twins behind in Portugal, Mr McCann has flown to Britain to talk to police involved in the search for his daughter. She remains missing after being abducted from her bed while she slept at a holiday resort in Praia da Luz, the Algarve, on May 3rd.

He will also visit the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre later today to discuss their role in aiding Portuguese police find Madeleine.
At last night's award ceremony, attended by Prince Charles, Mr McCann received a standing ovation from police officers, which he described as a "humbling" experience.

"The vast majority of [police officers] that I managed to speak to are, like us, very optimistic that we will find Madeleine safe and well," he wrote later on his online blog.

"Somebody, somewhere knows where Madeleine is and it may take a single phone call for her to be found.

"We will not give up searching for her."

As the hunt for Madeleine enters its 71st day, police in Portugal have arranged a meeting between friends of the McCanns and Robert Murat, the only named suspect in their investigation.

The two friends, who were staying in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, claim to have seen Mr Murat in the vicinity of the McCann's villa, while the British national, given 'arguido' status by police, insists he did not leave his mother's house on the same night.

Portuguese detectives have not disclosed the outcome of the five-hour police station meeting.

Sky News

by nglfi 30.09.17 8:30

If, according to McCann, there's no evidence Madeleine has come to any harm, then isn't it really and truly time we stopped spending money on this? There is certainly evidence, attested to by the McCanns et al, that she was neglected by being 'left alone ' repeatedly while in their care. So surely the path of least harm lies wherever she is now?
I think one of the reasons the media keeps distracting from the fact that she'll soon be an adult is that of she wanted to come back, she would. This is the most famous missing person case in the UK and one of the most well known in the world. Madeleine has a 'coloboma' which is quite rare. If she's living with another family, surely she is well aware that she is, or was, Madeleine McCann. I wonder if we have to wait until 2021 when she would be 18 for this to stop?

by willowthewisp 30.09.17 16:16

Hi nglfi,this charade will not finish until the UK Government is prepared to accept,that it came to be involved in people making assumptions as to what has happened to their daughter,that they have proclaimed as first, been an Abduction,then disappeared to now,missing,with jemmied open shutters on the children's bedroom window?

At the heart of this case is a disappearance of a little Girl named Madeleine McCann,who supposedly went on holiday with her family,that on the last evening before coming Home to the UK,she simply disappeared?

That in the last Ten years,the close friends have kept a"Pact of silence"they all refused to attend a Portugal,PJ reconstruction of where they were on the Evening of Madeleine's disappearance,yet they quite willingly chose to appear in a"Mockumentary" paid for out of the "Find Madeleine Fund,Not"by David Edgar,Arthur Cowley/ That there have been at least Four Crime Watch Specials,Two Richard Bilton specials and at least an Estimated 12-15 million Pounds on Operation Grange,Remit-Abduction,but by who is yet to be deciphered?

Yet the very same persons who claim to have seen an Alive Madeleine McCann on the Day of 3 May 2007 have not been questioned under caution by the Metropolitan Police Service investigating a possible Homicide by their Murder Squad Detectives?

So if the Police still fail to observe paragraph one of the deceptions being given as statements of Facts,then Police are colluding to obstruct Justice,which is part of their duties when sworn in as Police Constables,"Without Fear,Nor Favour"? have chosen to deceive the UK public

So if it is that easy to explain a narrative,as Assistant Commander Mark Rowley has explaining events,then why haven't Scotland Yards finest,after a So called Review,then Investigation,still be plucking things out of thin air,like a Magician hoping to end the Grand show as a Finale,case now solved,Not?

The UK can see or read the"Mind Numbing" reasoning's by over thirty years time served Police Officers, Simon Foy and DCI Andy Redwood,what a *ucking embarrassment,sorry for the expletives,but it is what it is?

"Humpty Dumpty sat on a great Wall,Humpty Dumpty had a Great fall,All of the Kings Horses and all of the Men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again,a bit like Operation Grange?

by nglfi 30.09.17 17:48

Yes willowthewisp, it still remains completely shocking that the last people to see her alive have not and will not be questioned. It seems completely unprecedented.

by tnb 30.09.17 18:05

A beautiful indictment of the hypocrisy of the so-called "Moral Majority", whom, if you look closely, aren't any too moral. What a shock. :)

by **Tony Bennett** 30.09.17 18:43

Bernard Hogan-Howe is the star attraction on next week's BBC Radio 4 programme: 'Any Questions':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b096jkgb

It's on at 8.02pm. Friday 6 October.

I predict a question along the lines:

"Do the panel agree that the government should still fund the search for Madeleine McCann?"

P.S. Andrea Leadsom, Brexit-supporting government minister, will also be on the panel
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by Liz Eagles 30.09.17 19:01

So BHH is going on the radio. I thought he'd retired and was doing golf, cricket and gardening - the usual stuff retired people do - with perhaps a bit of masonic attendance to incorporate the feel good, charitable factor. Yet still BHH is in the eyes, ears and hearts of the media and he's happily positioning himself as some sort of pundit for hire.

God Bless Madeleine McCann because the MET didn't help her.

by willowthewisp 30.09.17 19:43

aquila wrote:So BHH is going on the radio. I thought he'd retired and was doing golf, cricket and gardening - the usual stuff retired people do - with perhaps a bit of masonic attendance to incorporate the feel good, charitable factor. Yet still BHH is in the eyes, ears and hearts of the media and he's happily positioning himself as some sort of pundit for hire.

God Bless Madeleine McCann because the MET didn't help her.

Hi aquila,Ah sir Bernard Hogan Howe,whose quaint thin lips will be once again espousing his convoluted answers to the discerning BBC,wonder how much his appearance will cost the Licence payer to hear more of his defence of a fragrant(Bovine spirit) couple from the Leicestershire region,of their innocence?

by Verdi 30.09.17 21:28

nglfi wrote:Yes willowthewisp, it still remains completely shocking that the last people to see her alive have not and will not be questioned. It seems completely unprecedented.

Transcript of interview with Mark Rowley Esq.. [snipped]

Q: Andy Redwood, the first senior investigating officer, said in one interview his policy was to go right back to the beginning, accept nothing, but one thing you appear to have accepted is that this was an abduction. It’s in your first remit statement, it refers to ‘the abduction’, which rather suggests right from the start you had a closed mind to the possibility of parents’ involvement, an accident or Madeleine simply walking out of the apartment.

MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation. The McCanns are parents of a missing girl, we are trying to get to the bottom of. In terms of Andy using the word abduction, she was not old enough to set off and start her own life. However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the heart of this has been an abduction.

Q: One of the biggest criticisms of the Portuguese investigation, which they acknowledge as well, is that they did not interrogate the parents from the start, if only to eliminate them. When you started your investigation, you appear to have done the same. Did you formally interview the McCann’s under caution, ever consider them as suspects?

MR: So when we started, we started five or so years into this and there is already a lot of ground been covered, we don’t cover the same ground, what we do is pull all the material we had at the start, all the Portuguese material, private detective material, with all the work that had been done, what that evidence supports, what rules these lines of enquiry out, what keeps them open and you progress forward. It would be no different if there were a cold case in London, a missing person from 1990, we would go back to square one look at all the material and if the material was convincing it ruled out that line of enquiry we would look somewhere else. So you reflect on the original material, you challenge it, don’t take it at face value. You don’t restart an investigation pretending it doesn’t exist and do all the same enquiries again that is not constructive.

Q: The first detective in charge of the case said he was going right back to the start of the case and accepting nothing. It seems very much he was suggesting that it was going to be a brand new investigation.

MR: It’s a brand new investigation, you are going in with an open mind. You are not ignoring the evidence in front of you. That would be a bizarre conclusion. You would look at that material, what does it prove, what it doesn’t. What hypothesis does it open what does it close down and you work your way through the case.

Q: Just to be clear you did not interview the McCanns as potential suspects?

MR: No
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There's your answer - at least the best you can ever expect from Britain's finest gamer

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by MayMuse 01.10.17 0:41

Interesting amount of new cash injection...

Reading too much into it.... 154.....

1 theory or missing or dead

5. Apartment

4 participants/ witness/ suspects ...or even the month of April...fourth month?

Must get out more big grin

by Guest 01.10.17 7:54

MR: It’s a brand new investigation, you are going in with an open mind. You are not ignoring the evidence in front of you. That would be a bizarre conclusion. You would look at that material, what does it prove, what it doesn’t. What hypothesis does it open what does it close down and you work your way through the case.

Q: Just to be clear you did not interview the McCanns as potential suspects?

MR: No.

Not an open mind then.

Ridicuous and obvious that some protection is going on.

by MayMuse 01.10.17 8:06

Is it normal practice to not interview the last known people to have been with Madeleine ? I would think not....

Not interviewed as suspects (odd that) however were the parents ever interviewed at all by SY?

Is that a "no" ?

If so then that's going against the grain of policing and needs answering as to why.

If yes like the tapas7 recorded interviews...where are the parents recorded interviews?

Answers on a postcard".........

by Paddington2007 01.10.17 11:58

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/madeleine-mccann-detectives-hunt-person-of-significance-l9nzz7gm5
A £12m investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has been granted an extra £154,000 because detectives are hunting a “person of significance”.
A source close to Operation Grange — Scotland Yard’s six-year search for Madeleine — has said finding the person is one of the “critical lines of inquiry” that police hope may help to solve the mystery. Madeleine, who was then three, disappeared in May 2007 while on holiday with her family in Portugal.
Last week the Home Office announced the funding that will keep four detectives on the investigation until the end of March next year. The source said: “It is as much to rule the person out of the inquiry as anything else.”

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Madeleine McCann, then three, vanished in May 2007 while on holiday with her family in Portugal[size=12]GETTY IMAGES[/size]
The Portuguese investigation of Madeleine’s disappearance was criticised by the British authorities as being not fit for purpose. Scotland Yard began an investigative review into the disappearance in 2011.
However, The Sunday Times understands that Met detectives have been relying on Portuguese transcripts of key interviews with British witnesses, rather than conducting their own.

Operation Grange has conducted no formal witness interviews with Gerry or Kate McCann or the seven friends they dined with on the night Madeleine disappeared.
Colin Sutton, a former Met detective chief inspector, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses. We’re talking about interviews given by the McCanns and friends through an interpreter, written down in Portuguese and then translated back into English so officers from Grange can read them. The room for error would be enormous.”
The Met said the Operation Grange team would not comment while the investigation was ongoing.
@DavidCollinsST

by Guest 01.10.17 12:04

Colin Sutton, a former Met detective chief inspector, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses

If OG haven't done this then it is an outrageous waste of tax-payers money.

by Paddington2007 01.10.17 13:13

BlueBag wrote:
Colin Sutton, a former Met detective chief inspector, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses
If OG haven't done this then it is an outrageous waste of tax-payers money.

Sometimes timing is everything! For sake of argument, let us say OG (and the Portuguese police) have a fairly clear idea of what happened, that could still be quite some way from being able to prove it, beyond reasonable doubt, in a court of law - absence of a body, took place abroad over ten years ago, complex forensic evidence. It might be sensible to investigate every possible avenue very thoroughly, prior to questioning anyone that is seriously suspected of involvement. I know it is not a popular view on this forum but I still believe in 'the thin blue line' .......you might get the odd 'bad apple' but I don't honestly believe lots of coppers would conspire to conceal the death of a toddler. Team McCann and their spokespeople feed the media, so of course the press print largely from a pro McCann perspective. OG, keep their 'powder dry' and say little, that is exactly as it should be, unless and until they are in a position to make arrests.

by Verdi 01.10.17 13:24

BlueBag wrote:
Colin Sutton, a former Met detective chief inspector, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses
If OG haven't done this then it is an outrageous waste of tax-payers money.

"Primarily what we sought to do from the beginning is try and draw everything back to zero if you like. Try and take everything back to the beginning and re-analyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing...."

DCI Andy Redwood [retired] - October 2013 Madeleine McCann Special BBC Crimewatch production
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Second rule of deception - good memory!

by Guest 01.10.17 13:31

Paddington2007 wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Colin Sutton, a former Met detective chief inspector, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses
If OG haven't done this then it is an outrageous waste of tax-payers money.

Sometimes timing is everything! For sake of argument, let us say OG (and the Portuguese police) have a fairly clear idea of what happened, that could still be quite some way from being able to prove it, beyond reasonable doubt, in a court of law - absence of a body, took place abroad over ten years ago, complex forensic evidence. It might be sensible to investigate every possible avenue very thoroughly, prior to questioning anyone that is seriously suspected of involvement. I know it is not a popular view on this forum but I still believe in 'the thin blue line' .......you might get the odd 'bad apple' but I don't honestly believe lots of coppers would conspire to conceal the death of a toddler. Team McCann and their spokespeople feed the media, so of course the press print largely from a pro McCann perspective. OG, keep their 'powder dry' and say little, that is exactly as it should be, unless and until they are in a position to make arrests.

No... first thing you do is the basics.

You don't spend years beating about the bush wasting millions of pounds when a few simple questions to the right people would suffice.

by willowthewisp 01.10.17 14:14

Hi Paddington2007,take a look at Operation Tiberius,then ask your self of how many"bad apples",it seems to be,that you must be required,to turn many a"Blind eye"as a means to promotion within the ranks,which then escalates to the serious levels of Corruption of Senior personnel,right up the chain of command,rancid from Top to bottom?

The UK Government are just about able to conceal Police malpractice ,but for how much longer will they be able to contain,that they have a majority of the public behind them,with the amount of corruption being uncovered,leading into questioning the very people at the Top of the chain of Command??
You can make as many Police body Camera programmes as you like,showing how much the Police have to deal with on a daily basis or other Police style programmes,they will not counter balance the levels of corruption by Police Officers affecting Criminal elements in society,the actions of these Police Officers exacerbate the situation?
Just take a look on Youtube to see the behaviour or tactics used by the UK Police forces on peaceful protest, or the latest examples of Police assisting bailiffes on Civil Redress issues,then you have ketteling methods,forcing people along pathways,using the"Full Weight" of the Law,openly shoving people,isn't that an assault?

by Paddington2007 01.10.17 14:18

Bluebag, I do see your point of view. However, I suppose it greatly depends on who you are dealing with and on how well prepared and resourced they are.

"A few simple questions to the right people....." Do you really believe that would resolve this case and result in someone making a full and frank confession?

by Paddington2007 01.10.17 14:39

Hi Willowthewisp,

Thank you, I did take a look at Operation Tiberius, I'm certainly no expert on the police, the Met or on police corruption and would not claim to be. I have fairly limited personal experience of the police (the odd speeding ticket and was once the victim of a burglary.) Do you really believe the entire force is "Rancid from top to bottom?"

by willowthewisp 01.10.17 15:25

Paddington2007 wrote:Hi Willowthewisp,

Thank you, I did take a look at Operation Tiberius, I'm certainly no expert on the police, the Met or on police corruption and would not claim to be. I have fairly limited personal experience of the police (the odd speeding ticket and was once the victim of a burglary.) Do you really believe the entire force is "Rancid from top to bottom?"

Hi Paddington2007,I note you chose not to comment on Operation Tiberius,you then ask a question of my quote,"Rancid from Top to Bottom"?
A former Metropolitan Police Service Commander,Lord Stevens had evidence from Operation Othania,destroyed the paper work collated from 1993-2002,during this period,Stephen Lawrence was Murdered and in 1987 Daniel Morgan was found Murdered in his car,the connection to the Two events is that Lord Stevens is on record that a Police Officer named Mr John Ellison had,Never taken part in investigations to both these Murders,it has transpired that Mr Stevens was proven wrong? Mr Stevens is on record of what was disclosed at the MacPhearson Inquiry,where a well known Gangster had met a Police Officer,who had passed a bundle of Brown envelopes between them,under cover Police Officers had seen the transaction take place,The Gangster was eventually jailed for Murder of a Man in a Road rage incident but was acting on behalf of a "Friends" son's involvement in the Murder of Stephen Lawrence,but as you state,you believe they're Not all Bad?
The same person had killed an Under Cover Police Officer,who had found this Officer in his Garden,the man "Fearing for his Life"repeatedly stabbed to death the Police Officer,he was found Not guilty in Court and walked away a Freeman.
This same person was followed by Under Cover Police Officers,with a Newly Bought Smelting pot in the back of the boot of his Rolls Royce,the Police Officers failed to apprehend the person driving the car,but a£26 Million pound Gold heist had taken place at an Airport,where this person was thought to have been involved with?
I suggest you try some light reading of the Unsolved Murder of Daniel Morgan,perhaps that may alter your train of thought?

by Phoebe 01.10.17 15:29

"However, The Sunday Times understands that Met detectives have been relying on Portuguese transcripts of key interviews with British witnesses, rather than conducting their own.

Operation Grange has conducted no formal witness interviews with Gerry or Kate McCann or the seven friends they dined with on the night Madeleine disappeared.

Colin Sutton, a former Met detective chief inspector, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses. We’re talking about interviews given by the McCanns and friends through an interpreter, written down in Portuguese and then translated back into English so officers from Grange can read them. The room for error would be enormous.”

What's the betting that Op. Grange will now conduct new interviews with the McCanns, their Tapas friends and other British witnesses and that these new interviews will uncover things that were "lost in translation" or errors which gave a completely false picture? Cynical as I am, I suspect money is being spent to re-examine the Portuguese transcripts looking for plausible loopholes. Eg. We'll have Gerry having stated that he entered by the front door using his key "save for" that night (May 3rd) with the "save for" having been missed due to his heavy Glaswegian brogue. Wait for it. Hissyfit

by nglfi 01.10.17 16:36

So according to the Times, the renewed funding is as much to rule someone out as in? That being the case this farce is literally endless. How many millions of people do we have to rule out before we accept the prime suspects are responsible?

It's also an absolute joke that they continuously slag off the Portuguese police and then rely on their translations to conduct their 'investigation'.

by willowthewisp 01.10.17 18:12

nglfi wrote:So according to the Times, the renewed funding is as much to rule someone out as in? That being the case this farce is literally endless. How many millions of people do we have to rule out before we accept the prime suspects are responsible?

It's also an absolute joke that they continuously slag off the Portuguese police and then rely on their translations to conduct their 'investigation'.

Hi nglfi,I thought Operation Grange had all of the Portugal statements translated from Portuguese into English at a cost of over £100,000,so why now state in the Times article,that they have been relying on the Portuguese based statements?
I am almost certain Assistant Commander of the Metropolitan Police Service,Mark Rowley had stated this in a previous statement!
As Phoebe has pointed out,The Metropolitan Police Service are now desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel,for an explanation as to what is likely to have happened to Madeleine McCann,reported to disappeared by her parents from Apartment 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007?
As to what was put on the Street Signs in Portugal,Please stop the McCann Farce,Now?

If the UK Police Force are unwilling to carry out their duties,"Without Fear Nor Favour"then resign from your positions,if you cannot Justify as to why,certain people remain Not being interviewed as part of Operation Grange,please explain why they remain Non Suspects,when they have clearly stated that they had seen an Alive Madeleine McCann on the above date?
Yet since that day No one has seen Madeleine alive but various News Papers have reported sightings of Madeleine,but on investigation,nothing,which leaves only one of Two outcomes?

Madeleine McCann: Government 'gives police £154,000' to extend search for missing toddler