Sally Anne Eveleigh & Sally Eveleigh - One and The Same? Robert Murat's Aunt or Cousin or Both? [& Maddie eyeshadow photo and Burgau]

Ladyinred wrote:I meant free in the Netherlands.

I don't understand what you find so hilarious or your comment, but no problem.

skyrocket wrote:@ ladyinred    


I meant free in the Netherlands.

I don't understand what you find so hilarious or your comment, but no problem.



I think Verdi's mirth is possibly with you rather than at you ladyinred. Mine is.


'The 13 EU countries studied reflect the diversity of regulatory approaches to eligibility and public financing of IVF, as well as to donor issues. Four countries offer full coverage to eligible couples or individuals: Belgium, France, Netherlands and Sweden. ‘Full coverage’ in this context is defined as 100% coverage (in other words free) of at least one cycle of IVF on a national basis.' (based on 2009 statistics)

You can't really blame the Mc's in that respect - I suspect other couples faced with similar problems would re-locate if their lives/jobs allowed. Perhaps the IVF was the reason for the move in the first place. Doctors would certainly be given 'insider' info about where the best (or free) treatment was available within the EU.

I've headed OT again - very hard not to, isn't it!

To bring it back to Sally Everleigh again - we now have one aunt vote and one cousin vote, so I'm not really any the wiser. I'm inclined to go with PeterMac (aunt) but I still wonder why SE hasn't put the record straight.

Verdi wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:I meant free in the Netherlands.

I don't understand what you find so hilarious or your comment, but no problem.

Ladyinred I do apologize, no way was I mocking you, I thought your comment was tongue in cheek!  I guess I've grown so used to all the rubbish emanating from the McCann camp, nothing they say seems even remotely true and that line sounded to me like an apologists (not you!) attempt to cover yet another embarrassing question.

Ages ago I had a google around and came across something written by a woman with Dutch family connections.  She said that to receive IVF treatment in the Netherlands you had to be (at that time) resident and covered by insurance, otherwise no chance.  Whether that be true or not I've no idea  + The idea of a NHS doctor in the UK with a NHS consultant cardiologist as a husband, not being given preferential treatment i.e. IVF free gratis and for nothing, I thought rather amusing!

Still what do I know, this is just what goes on in my cynical head so best I shut up!  

Ladyinred wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:I meant free in the Netherlands.

I don't understand what you find so hilarious or your comment, but no problem.

Ladyinred I do apologize, no way was I mocking you, I thought your comment was tongue in cheek!  I guess I've grown so used to all the rubbish emanating from the McCann camp, nothing they say seems even remotely true and that line sounded to me like an apologists (not you!) attempt to cover yet another embarrassing question.

Ages ago I had a google around and came across something written by a woman with Dutch family connections.  She said that to receive IVF treatment in the Netherlands you had to be (at that time) resident and covered by insurance, otherwise no chance.  Whether that be true or not I've no idea  + The idea of a NHS doctor in the UK with a NHS consultant cardiologist as a husband, not being given preferential treatment i.e. IVF free gratis and for nothing, I thought rather amusing!

Still what do I know, this is just what goes on in my cynical head so best I shut up!  

Verdi, thank you.  As I said, no problem.  I probably should have been clearer in my post 

Off topic:  I hope you and Mark Willis don't mind but I'm nominating you both as the Ant & Dec of the forum

Verdi wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:I meant free in the Netherlands.

I don't understand what you find so hilarious or your comment, but no problem.

Ladyinred I do apologize, no way was I mocking you, I thought your comment was tongue in cheek!  I guess I've grown so used to all the rubbish emanating from the McCann camp, nothing they say seems even remotely true and that line sounded to me like an apologists (not you!) attempt to cover yet another embarrassing question.

Ages ago I had a google around and came across something written by a woman with Dutch family connections.  She said that to receive IVF treatment in the Netherlands you had to be (at that time) resident and covered by insurance, otherwise no chance.  Whether that be true or not I've no idea  + The idea of a NHS doctor in the UK with a NHS consultant cardiologist as a husband, not being given preferential treatment i.e. IVF free gratis and for nothing, I thought rather amusing!

Still what do I know, this is just what goes on in my cynical head so best I shut up!  

Verdi, thank you.  As I said, no problem.  I probably should have been clearer in my post 

Off topic:  I hope you and Mark Willis don't mind but I'm nominating you both as the Ant & Dec of the forum

  Ladyinred!
Not sure whether that's intended as a compliment or insult ?!? 

I've been toying with the idea of starting a thread in the members lounge dedicated to anybody that's got the blues, needs cheering up or just fancies a bit of light entertainment.  A sort of place for anecdotes, jokes etc.  Not sure if it would be acceptable.

For starters, last evening one of those lighthearted quiz shows was on the telly.. 

Question (quizmaster):  When a government is preparing for a general election are they said to 'go to the country' or 'run for the hills'?
Answer (contestant):  Run for the hills!



Sorry - off topic again.

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:I meant free in the Netherlands.

I don't understand what you find so hilarious or your comment, but no problem.

Ladyinred I do apologize, no way was I mocking you, I thought your comment was tongue in cheek!  I guess I've grown so used to all the rubbish emanating from the McCann camp, nothing they say seems even remotely true and that line sounded to me like an apologists (not you!) attempt to cover yet another embarrassing question.

Ages ago I had a google around and came across something written by a woman with Dutch family connections.  She said that to receive IVF treatment in the Netherlands you had to be (at that time) resident and covered by insurance, otherwise no chance.  Whether that be true or not I've no idea  + The idea of a NHS doctor in the UK with a NHS consultant cardiologist as a husband, not being given preferential treatment i.e. IVF free gratis and for nothing, I thought rather amusing!

Still what do I know, this is just what goes on in my cynical head so best I shut up!  

Verdi, thank you.  As I said, no problem.  I probably should have been clearer in my post 

Off topic:  I hope you and Mark Willis don't mind but I'm nominating you both as the Ant & Dec of the forum

  Ladyinred!
Not sure whether that's intended as a compliment or insult ?!? 

I've been toying with the idea of starting a thread in the members lounge dedicated to anybody that's got the blues, needs cheering up or just fancies a bit of light entertainment.  A sort of place for anecdotes, jokes etc.  Not sure if it would be acceptable.

For starters, last evening one of those lighthearted quiz shows was on the telly.. 

Question (quizmaster):  When a government is preparing for a general election are they said to 'go to the country' or 'run for the hills'?
Answer (contestant):  Run for the hills!



Sorry - off topic again.

You can do whatever you like in the Member's Lounge, Ant

tigger wrote:Please do! A medicine for melancholy!

Verdi wrote:

tigger wrote:Please do! A medicine for melancholy!

WILCO !

Verdi wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

skyrocket wrote:Another point which I have been considering is whether the disturbing 'blue eyeshadow' photo of MBM could have been taken at Salsalito. IMO the photo was taken outdoors (so not in the UK at the beginning of April). The wall is consistent with the typical rough plaster common in Spain/Portugal (I lived in Spain for 2 years) and also with some of the external walls at Salsalito (see photos attached to Salsalito's reviews on the Tripadvisor web site) - note all the items hanging on the walls in general at Salsalito. As discussed elsewhere, MBM's pupils do not look natural for the apparent amount of ambient light but I'm still convinced it is an outdoor shot, which again is disturbing, as is the awkward/artificial posing of MBM's head. IMO the blue area to MBM's left shoulder is a man's t-shirt.

@ skyrocket

The question of where and when the 'blue eyeshadow' photo of Madeleine McCann was taken is I think of more than passing interest.

The claim by the McCanns that Madeleine's painted face was a result of 'playing with Mummy's make-up box' was met with near-universal derision. Nearly all thought that the eyeshadow must have been applied by an adult.  

It has been much discussed ever since it was published, which was on a strange 2min 30 sec video produced by McCanns' Liverpool friend (and Madeleine's godfather) Jon Corner, called 'Madeleine McCannn - Still Misisng, Still Missed, Still Looking' - see here:

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Dealing first of all with what you call the 'blue area' (bottom right of picture), if you watch the above video, the blue area comes fully into view at 1 min 17 secs. This is the best view I can find of it, but there may be better ones:

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When this was discussed on forums many years ago, the consensus was that the blue object was not a man's T-shirt, but a blue plastic chair. 
IIRC there was much discussion of whether the place where this disturbing photo was taken could be the Sol e Mar (sometimes incorrectly rendered Solimar) Apartments in Burgau. I am pretty sure that someone produced a photo of Sol e Mar showing the stucco walls (which you refer to a 'rough plaster') and blue chairs identical in colour to the blue shape in the bottom left of the photo.

The Sol e Mar apartments are of interest in any case for us because:

1. They were built by a building company owned by Robert Murat's father

2. His estates management company still maintains the properties

3. Polish man Wojcek Krokowski and his wife/lady friend stayed at the Sol e Mar, Burgau, for the week 28 April to 5 May (same as the McCanns)  

4. Hairs of the same haplotype as Robert Murat were found by the PJ in the very apartment Wojcek Krokowski stayed in   

5. Hairs of the same haplotype as Jane Tanner were also found by the PJ in the very apartment Wojcek Krokowski stayed in   

6. There is strong evidence that Jane Tanner based her description of a man carrying child on Wojcek Krokowksi

7. Nuno Lourenco made up a feeble 'kidnap' tale, in which he identified Wojcek Krokowski as the alleged paedophile kidnapper, which he delayed reporting for six days until the morning after Jane Tanner had given her statement to the police (see Richard Hall's film 'The Phantoms' - uploaded by HideHo: 
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8. The main witness who gave evidence to the Portuguese Police about Wojcek Krokowski's movements during that holiday week was the manager of the Burgau Beach Bar, an employee of the Eveleighs, who owned the bar.

I do not know if someone can resurrect those photos of the Sol e Mar apartments? - I can't find them  

Is this what you're referring to Tony...

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skyrocket wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - that's great, thanks for confirming that. I've posted on several occasions that this balcony was definitely not the Sol e Mar apartments in Burgau but some were unconvinced. Good find! 

Tony Bennett wrote:

skyrocket wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - that's great, thanks for confirming that. I've posted on several occasions that this balcony was definitely not the Sol e Mar apartments in Burgau but some were unconvinced. Good find! 

Yes, I am persuaded that that photo is NOT the Sol e Mar apartments.

Maybe someone who knows how to do these things could grab of photo of Sol e Mar.

Khaleesi wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

skyrocket wrote:Another point which I have been considering is whether the disturbing 'blue eyeshadow' photo of MBM could have been taken at Salsalito. IMO the photo was taken outdoors (so not in the UK at the beginning of April). The wall is consistent with the typical rough plaster common in Spain/Portugal (I lived in Spain for 2 years) and also with some of the external walls at Salsalito (see photos attached to Salsalito's reviews on the Tripadvisor web site) - note all the items hanging on the walls in general at Salsalito. As discussed elsewhere, MBM's pupils do not look natural for the apparent amount of ambient light but I'm still convinced it is an outdoor shot, which again is disturbing, as is the awkward/artificial posing of MBM's head. IMO the blue area to MBM's left shoulder is a man's t-shirt.

@ skyrocket

The question of where and when the 'blue eyeshadow' photo of Madeleine McCann was taken is I think of more than passing interest.

The claim by the McCanns that Madeleine's painted face was a result of 'playing with Mummy's make-up box' was met with near-universal derision. Nearly all thought that the eyeshadow must have been applied by an adult.  

It has been much discussed ever since it was published, which was on a strange 2min 30 sec video produced by McCanns' Liverpool friend (and Madeleine's godfather) Jon Corner, called 'Madeleine McCannn - Still Misisng, Still Missed, Still Looking' - see here:

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Dealing first of all with what you call the 'blue area' (bottom right of picture), if you watch the above video, the blue area comes fully into view at 1 min 17 secs. This is the best view I can find of it, but there may be better ones:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

When this was discussed on forums many years ago, the consensus was that the blue object was not a man's T-shirt, but a blue plastic chair. 
IIRC there was much discussion of whether the place where this disturbing photo was taken could be the Sol e Mar (sometimes incorrectly rendered Solimar) Apartments in Burgau. I am pretty sure that someone produced a photo of Sol e Mar showing the stucco walls (which you refer to a 'rough plaster') and blue chairs identical in colour to the blue shape in the bottom left of the photo.

The Sol e Mar apartments are of interest in any case for us because:

1. They were built by a building company owned by Robert Murat's father

2. His estates management company still maintains the properties

3. Polish man Wojcek Krokowski and his wife/lady friend stayed at the Sol e Mar, Burgau, for the week 28 April to 5 May (same as the McCanns)  

4. Hairs of the same haplotype as Robert Murat were found by the PJ in the very apartment Wojcek Krokowski stayed in   

5. Hairs of the same haplotype as Jane Tanner were also found by the PJ in the very apartment Wojcek Krokowski stayed in   

6. There is strong evidence that Jane Tanner based her description of a man carrying child on Wojcek Krokowksi

7. Nuno Lourenco made up a feeble 'kidnap' tale, in which he identified Wojcek Krokowski as the alleged paedophile kidnapper, which he delayed reporting for six days until the morning after Jane Tanner had given her statement to the police (see Richard Hall's film 'The Phantoms' - uploaded by HideHo: 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] 

8. The main witness who gave evidence to the Portuguese Police about Wojcek Krokowski's movements during that holiday week was the manager of the Burgau Beach Bar, an employee of the Eveleighs, who owned the bar.

I do not know if someone can resurrect those photos of the Sol e Mar apartments? - I can't find them  

Is this what you're referring to Tony...

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I've found this, exactly this photo on TripAdvisor, described as being taken in Ms Alay apartments, Belmadena, Spain.

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There is another similar pic on a balcony in the batch. And the Street View from the address of the Ms Alay apartments reveals this:

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A lot of blue railings, blue chairs and beige stucco. Plenty of blue rimmed doors and distinctive brick walls.

So it seems this particular picture has zilch to do with Madeleine McCann.

Khaleesi wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

skyrocket wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - that's great, thanks for confirming that. I've posted on several occasions that this balcony was definitely not the Sol e Mar apartments in Burgau but some were unconvinced. Good find! 

Yes, I am persuaded that that photo is NOT the Sol e Mar apartments.

Maybe someone who knows how to do these things could grab of photo of Sol e Mar.

I'd love to, the problem is I cannot find a proper address for these mysterious Solimar/Sol e Mar appartments. For a tourist spot it has surprisingly bad advertising.

sammi1967 wrote:No idea Tony. If it's photoshopped as it looks to be....then yes it opens up many more questions I guess. It's just how I see it and of course I could be completely wrong. Some have seen it as a death look which I personally don't. Incidentally its the colour of the eyeshadow that gets me too...it's a very 70's shade of blue...not a KM colour at all. Although it could be part of a set I suppose.