LAST DAY OF LIBEL TRIAL 8th July 2014 DISCUSSION AND NEWS

canada12 wrote:

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
I would say the McCanns have made a rubbish job of substantiating their claims so far. No clinical depression, Gerry able to function at work, no proof of any incident of actual damage to them, still ambassadors and going to galas etc, Leveson, SY review still going on so clearly search not hampered, going on fun runs and so it goes on. I don't think they have provided one serious bit of proof that it has had any effect on them at all, and for that they want a million euros.

I feel sure the judge will rule against them.

I feel the same way. So far all they've really proved is that the book made them unhappy and made their children ask questions. Any book can do that. Why not sue every writer that's ever written anything that made them feel the slightest bit cheesed off?

I think both Kate and Gerry summed it up well when they were asked whether they had any depression or inability to sleep. Both responded they had, but it was temporary. That in itself seals the verdict for me. They were temporarily upset but now they're not, so no long standing ill-effects, case closed.

Cristobell wrote:Oh what a tangled web we weave......  eh?

Had Kate told the truth about how people had deserted them in droves she would have had a valid argument as to loss of reputation. However the party line has always been that everyone supports them.  Goncalo's lawyer proved that with the 20,000 people turning up for a prayer meeting (that Kate didn't know about) and her elevation to Ambassador for Missing People, that their reputation clearly hadn't suffered at all. Kate fell into the Judge's trap.  When asked about famous people, Kate said they had renowned people who supported them.  Effectively, she was arguing the case for the Defence, their reputation wasn't harmed.   

The truth is, their reputations are in ruins, and I am sure they have plenty of evidence to substantiate it - a simply graph of the drop in the donations to the Fund, would have perfectly illustrated their loss of popularity.  However, the McCanns are so arrogant that they used their own children (again), rather than admit people don't like them anymore.

Woofer wrote:Truly like ostriches - heads in the sand - don`t realise everyone can see their bottoms.

SuspiciousMinds wrote:QUOTE: "GMC explains that it states right at the beginning that Madeleine is dead, that there was no abduction, that he and his wife are liars, that they are cold and ruthless enough to hide a body instead of rending assistance. There's no evidence of that and the evidence that the documentary presents doesn't match."

See, this is what bugs me, time and time again. Do they ever, ever just come out and deny that they hid the body? It's always "there is no evidence" or "we didn't kill her" or "it's ludicrous" - they never seem to deny irrevocably the thing they're actually being accused of.

"No evidence" does not mean they didn't do it - it just means no-one is capable of proving in court that they actually did do it. Why is the lack of evidence so much more important to them than just simply telling the world, "We didn't do it"?


Put yourself in that situation. What would trip from your lips?

1. "Someone said my child is dead, there was no abduction, my wife and I are cold, ruthless liars, and we hid her body. There is no evidence of that."

2. "Someone said my child is dead, there was no abduction, my wife and I are cold, ruthless liars, and we hid her body. It's wicked, untrue rubbish - we love our children with all our hearts, and we would never, ever do anything like that."


Actually, the first option is even more weird than I thought at first, because it suggests that Gerry doesn't KNOW if he and his wife are cold, ruthless liars who hid the body, but that he could be persuaded to believe it if someone showed him some evidence!

"No evidence" does not mean they didn't do it - it just means no-one is capable of proving in court that they actually did do it. Why is the lack of evidence so much more important to them than just simply telling the world, "We didn't do it"?

Truthandjustice wrote:Interesting that GM was not upset by or had never heard of any of the other books on the case... It does make this one look vindictive towards and persecution of Amaral.

tasprin wrote:It's a shame the judge didn't see this photo

MAY 2012



Meeting: Kate McCann (right) talks to the Duchess of Gloucester (left), Home Secretary
Theresa May (2nd left) and chief executive of Missing People Martin Houghton-Brown
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-goes-845462#ixzz376MFPxWf

ultimaThule wrote:

inspirespirit wrote:

Versailles wrote:

Miraflores wrote:

If only she had just been honest at the beginning.... even if she had done something terrible to Madeleine, she could well of been suffering post natal depression. The courts would have been sympathetic and she would probably have just needed psychiatric help.

I agree here. A friend's wife suffered. PND is not just 'the blues'; it's a serious condition which doesn't just go away after a few weeks and needs treatment.

Some women are evil. There is no need to invent a psychiatric diagnosis to a woman just because she has done something we can not comprehend. That is a slap in the face for those mothers who are truly suffering from PND.

So, unless Kate has been diagnosed with it, I dont think she had it.

No-one is inventing a psychiatric diagnosis.  Loads of women go undiagnosed, and they are doctors, so can self prescribe without having to put anything on their records.  Also,  what you have to bear in mind is she is living with a narcisstic sociopath, so everything she does and says will be controlled by him, imo.  He may have been treating her for it, for all we know, as he wouldn't have wanted everyone to know his wife had a psychiatric disorder.  She certainly doesn't look 'with it', half the time and the other half, she looks terrified and haunted.

Doctors in the UK are not allowed to self-prescribe and, except in emergencies, they do not provide treatment for their relatives, is.

It seems to me that you have invented a pyschiatric diagnois for GM and IMO, as evidenced both by her bewk and her observable behaviour, the only narcissistic sociopath KM is living with is herself.

inspirespirit wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

inspirespirit wrote:

Versailles wrote:

Miraflores wrote:

If only she had just been honest at the beginning.... even if she had done something terrible to Madeleine, she could well of been suffering post natal depression. The courts would have been sympathetic and she would probably have just needed psychiatric help.

I agree here. A friend's wife suffered. PND is not just 'the blues'; it's a serious condition which doesn't just go away after a few weeks and needs treatment.

Some women are evil. There is no need to invent a psychiatric diagnosis to a woman just because she has done something we can not comprehend. That is a slap in the face for those mothers who are truly suffering from PND.

So, unless Kate has been diagnosed with it, I dont think she had it.

No-one is inventing a psychiatric diagnosis.  Loads of women go undiagnosed, and they are doctors, so can self prescribe without having to put anything on their records.  Also,  what you have to bear in mind is she is living with a narcisstic sociopath, so everything she does and says will be controlled by him, imo.  He may have been treating her for it, for all we know, as he wouldn't have wanted everyone to know his wife had a psychiatric disorder.  She certainly doesn't look 'with it', half the time and the other half, she looks terrified and haunted.

Doctors in the UK are not allowed to self-prescribe and, except in emergencies, they do not provide treatment for their relatives, is.

It seems to me that you have invented a pyschiatric diagnois for GM and IMO, as evidenced both by her bewk and her observable behaviour, the only narcissistic sociopath KM is living with is herself.

I most definitely HAVE NOT invented a psychiatric diagnosis for GM.  Narcissistic Sociopaths are recognised personality disorders.   Also, Doctors maybe shouldn't self-prescribe, but they do... FACT.    Trust me, if you have ever lived with an NS, you would know how controlling and manipulative they are of everything in your/their life.    I don't obviously know if KM had PND, I was just saying how dreadful she is looking, and how there is the very real possibility if they are hiding this massive secret, she could be in danger if she starts to crack.  http://paularenee.wordpress.com/identifying-a-narcissistic-sociopath/

Gaggzy wrote:

Gerry, stop scratching your ear. People will think you're lying.

Kate, they KNOW I'm lying ... my lips are moving.

True Liberty wrote:Coming here this morning I really do notice the absence of posters such as Russian Doll and others whose names escape me right now.
10 pages of the same comments about how awful she looks.

But let us move on.

I don't think Sean heard that on the bus,  I think a kid told him that on the bus, but my her saying that it would imply that people were doubting their story.  This way it is just the bad old Goncalo who is throwing litter in their way.

I also find it interesting that the last time they were in Lisbon they complained about how often and how difficult to compensate for new trial dates.  And yet,  their own defence stretched on longer this time by asking for fiscal records of "the truth of the lie".   With that in mind,  I hope the judge goes through Enid's accounting on the funds and see how much they made off this lie.  And tallying the two together, justice will be done.

My prayers are with the twins,  9 years of age is a very prime time for psychological damage to do the greatest harm,  especialy for boys.