Re: Breaking News on Sky News - SY back in PDL suspects to be interviewed

by Newintown 02.07.14 15:46

SixMillionQuid wrote:
SallyVern wrote:What I don't understand is if Maddie's hair was found on SM's couch then why wasn't he looked at in more depth back then? Not sure if he's being used as a scapegoat or if something was found in the scrublands to tie loose ends together.

I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!
Nothing in files to say hair samples were found at his property in 2007.

And this makes curious to know when these samples were found. SY 'found' crecheman six years later and now this.

When listening to GA talking about hair samples which the PJ were holding I automatically thought he was referring to hair samples found in the back of the McCanns' rental car. I can't remember now what the whole context of the conversation was.

That may account for nothing being in the PJ files about hair samples being found at SM's property, unless the information is in some of the PJ files which have been withheld.

by sallypelt 02.07.14 15:47

lj wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Poe wrote:In amongst all the dross in the press, there has been some surprisingly specific information:

- The police allowed themselves to be filmed carrying out the digs making sure that everyone was absolutely clear on which areas were being searched.

- The dogs were specifically identified as cadaver dogs.

- Out of all the possible witnesses/suspects, the press have named Sergey Malinka. Why just him?

Perhaps this is being carefully orchestrated to ramp up the pressure on the McCanns.
The alternative view of course is that this is most certainly 'being carefully orchestrated' - who could disagree with that? - but primarily, or even solely, to continue to influence public perception of what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

Has there ever been any case before in world history where so many events in a police investigation have been played out, apparently quite deliberately, in the full glare of the media and cameras (and ExclusivePics)?

Genuine question.

Can anyone think of another case where cameras were on hand to record police officers laising with each other, collecting boxes of evidence, flying in helicopters, digging wasteland with dozens of media cameramen looking on, etc. etc.?
Correct .. throw in two workers with local knowledge [ possibly keys ] , a Russian , [ who is an expert with computers, nice !!! they will start alluding to web porn next . oh no show would be complete with out the village idiot . well surprise surprise , they found one of them as well . all bases covered. the 3 Arguido's are now seven . it has re shaped history .
a member of this forum stated we must give redwood a chance and NOT to take the P*** out of his ar** . well i see nothing [ crimewatch , the digs , this , that has given me any confidence . Only when the tapas lot inc the McCann's are rounded up in dawn raids and taken to paddington green station , and questioned under oath, with the PJ present will i have any confidence in this case and the way it is being run . You Do NOT spend ten Million pounds when the conclusion is plain to see . its a disgrace .
I completely agree!

Still doesn't explain how the smell of death was all over Kate McCann's clothes, to say nothing of the findings in the car that the McCann's hired a few weeks later.

by Cristobell 02.07.14 15:48

Just found this video of Malenka being interviewed in 2007 - thanks HideHo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SXXXpqJljA&feature=youtu.be

by sallypelt 02.07.14 15:50

Newintown wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
SallyVern wrote:What I don't understand is if Maddie's hair was found on SM's couch then why wasn't he looked at in more depth back then? Not sure if he's being used as a scapegoat or if something was found in the scrublands to tie loose ends together.

I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!
Nothing in files to say hair samples were found at his property in 2007.

And this makes curious to know when these samples were found. SY 'found' crecheman six years later and now this.

When listening to GA talking about hair samples which the PJ were holding I automatically thought he was referring to hair samples found in the back of the McCanns' rental car. I can't remember now what the whole context of the conversation was.

That may account for nothing being in the PJ files about hair samples being found at SM's property.

We have to accept that fact that not all the information contained in the files was made public.

by lj 02.07.14 15:50

Dutchgirl wrote:With thanks to Joana Morais

English ask for DNA of the arguidos at all costs in the Maddie case - even in a sneaky way
2 July 2014 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment

something to illustrate in the meantime

by Marisa Rodrigues

The British Police even asked the Judiciary Police to start collecting fingerprints and DNA profiles of the four suspects now constituted as arguidos. Even if it was done in a sneaky way.

The request appears in a letter rogatory dated of July last year, but was challenged by the PJ, since it is an illegality. At the request of Scotland Yard, and with the endorsement of the Portuguese Public Ministry, the suspects were formally constituted arguidos, Tuesday, by the PJ inspectors of the Southern Directorate in Faro.

in [url=http://www.jn.pt/Dossies/dossie.aspx?content_id=4003235&dossier=O caso Maddie McCann]Jornal de Notícias - paper edition to follow/going to buy it[/url]

Why?? Just because they like being sneaky?

by Woofer 02.07.14 15:53

SixMillionQuid wrote:
SallyVern wrote:What I don't understand is if Maddie's hair was found on SM's couch then why wasn't he looked at in more depth back then? Not sure if he's being used as a scapegoat or if something was found in the scrublands to tie loose ends together.

I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!
Nothing in files to say hair samples were found at his property in 2007.

And this makes curious to know when these samples were found. SY 'found' crecheman six years later and now this.

Also note that Sergey Malinka lived with his parents at the time. So how did he store a body without his parents noticing? His Mother Svetlana Malinka gave a statement, but can`t find one for the Father.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm

by Guest 02.07.14 16:03

Cristobell wrote:Just found this video of Malenka being interviewed in 2007 - thanks HideHo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SXXXpqJljA&feature=youtu.be

So he tells he was heard as a witness, not as a suspect. Big difference from SY's interrogation, if it's true that he is or was a suspect yesterday.

by bristow 02.07.14 16:05

I'm working funny shifts and am totally behind with what is going on - would someone mind just writing a quick summary about these interviews please, i would be so grateful as not having time to read the threads or contribute properly. Many thanks.

by Cristobell 02.07.14 16:07

I think if the McCanns had help, they would never have used the hire car to move the body - that was an act of desperation, Mark Harrison was due to arrive to conduct thorough searches. The McCanns are both doctors, so too some of their friends, they would have worked with cadavers as students and would be familiar with the smell they leave behind, using their own car was incredibly risky, and not something they would have done if they had another option (a helper).

We are talking about the death of a child here. How likely is it that the parents would have trusted complete strangers? Why would Malenka or Murat get involved in such a heinous crime to assist people they don't know in the disposal of a child's body? What were the chances of the McCanns holidaying in a small Portuguese resort, that they had never been to before, finding such hardened criminals among the locals?

I have watched Hideho's video of Malenka, he has no criminal record and as a 'normal' man, its not in the least surprising that he had porn on his computer.

I agree with others, who think SY are ticking boxes created by the McCanns. They tried their damnest to pin the crime on Robert Murat, and they will clutch any straw that might get them off the hook.

by tasprin 02.07.14 16:07

Thanks for posting the video link Cristobell

by SixMillionQuid 02.07.14 16:08

Woofer wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
SallyVern wrote:What I don't understand is if Maddie's hair was found on SM's couch then why wasn't he looked at in more depth back then? Not sure if he's being used as a scapegoat or if something was found in the scrublands to tie loose ends together.

I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!
Nothing in files to say hair samples were found at his property in 2007.

And this makes curious to know when these samples were found. SY 'found' crecheman six years later and now this.
Also note that Sergey Malinka lived with his parents at the time. So how did he store a body without his parents noticing? His Mother Svetlana Malinka gave a statement, but can`t find one for the Father.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm

And apart from the dodgy stuff found on hard drives and a search of his Audi A4 there's no reference to forensics searches being carried out at his home.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm

by woodforthetrees 02.07.14 16:16

Hmmm, well to say that he was given an opportunity to protest his innocence directly to the media, he certainly didn't do himself any favours did he.

Not once did he say "the police will find no indecent images so they can look for as long as they like" or "I am very angry that i have been dragged into this situation when there is not one shred of evidence to incriminate me. I shall be seeking legal advice on how to sue for defamation of character"

His answers were vague and gave the impression that things 'could' be discovered.

That said, he looked calm and composed, almost bemused as to what was going on.

by ShuBob 02.07.14 16:16

I have heard or read nothing to suggest Malinka and/or Murat had anything whatsoever to do with Maddie's disappearance.

by Newintown 02.07.14 16:30

sallypelt wrote:
lj wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Poe wrote:In amongst all the dross in the press, there has been some surprisingly specific information:

- The police allowed themselves to be filmed carrying out the digs making sure that everyone was absolutely clear on which areas were being searched.

- The dogs were specifically identified as cadaver dogs.

- Out of all the possible witnesses/suspects, the press have named Sergey Malinka. Why just him?

Perhaps this is being carefully orchestrated to ramp up the pressure on the McCanns.
The alternative view of course is that this is most certainly 'being carefully orchestrated' - who could disagree with that? - but primarily, or even solely, to continue to influence public perception of what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

Has there ever been any case before in world history where so many events in a police investigation have been played out, apparently quite deliberately, in the full glare of the media and cameras (and ExclusivePics)?

Genuine question.

Can anyone think of another case where cameras were on hand to record police officers laising with each other, collecting boxes of evidence, flying in helicopters, digging wasteland with dozens of media cameramen looking on, etc. etc.?
Correct .. throw in two workers with local knowledge [ possibly keys ] , a Russian , [ who is an expert with computers, nice !!! they will start alluding to web porn next . oh no show would be complete with out the village idiot . well surprise surprise , they found one of them as well . all bases covered. the 3 Arguido's are now seven . it has re shaped history .
a member of this forum stated we must give redwood a chance and NOT to take the P*** out of his ar** . well i see nothing [ crimewatch , the digs , this , that has given me any confidence . Only when the tapas lot inc the McCann's are rounded up in dawn raids and taken to paddington green station , and questioned under oath, with the PJ present will i have any confidence in this case and the way it is being run . You Do NOT spend ten Million pounds when the conclusion is plain to see . its a disgrace .
I completely agree!

Still doesn't explain how the smell of death was all over Kate McCann's clothes, to say nothing of the findings in the car that the McCann's hired a few weeks later.

And just to remind people of the look of horror on KM's face on the last Crimewatch programme when the e-fits of "Smithman" were shown on the screen behind her; GM being oblivious to them as he had his back to the screen, these being the e-fits which had been suppressed by the McCanns for 5 years.

by Guest 02.07.14 16:33

In a search of Malikna's Audi on 4th June they did collect some hairs.
It's on page 2356 of the PJFiles in Portuguese but I can't find the translation.
"diversos cabelos recolhidos sobre o banco frontal do lado direito"
'several hairs collected over the front seat on the right side"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2356.jpg

I also can't find the results of any forensic tests on these hairs.
Does anyone know any more about this?

However Eddie and Keela did search Malinka's car at the same time as the McCanns on 6th August.
So If these are the hairs that SY are excited about I don't see the connection.

by margaret 02.07.14 16:36

lj wrote:

I hope all 4 brought lawyers, who adviced them to sit thight and answer no question.

Why? How would that be helpful? I hope they answered every question because it would make Kate Mccanns refusal to answer hers more suspicious.

by Woofer 02.07.14 16:38

@ Cristobell - "I have watched Hideho's video of Malenka, he has no criminal record and as a 'normal' man, its not in the least surprising that he had porn on his computer."

Just my opinion but its hardly a `normal` man that has bestiality on CD Roms in his home - its totally sick and warped IMO (and I`m no Mary Whitehouse).

by lj 02.07.14 16:42

Justformaddie wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Justformaddie wrote:How are they gonna explain these suspects not leaving ANY forensic traces in 5a?, cadaver on clothes wardrobe and in the car and km hindering the search by not answering the. 48 questions? IMO this is telling me poor maddie was dead before they went to dinner at 8:30 that night

They must have some imo, otherwise why would they ask for these suspects DNA, they must want it to see if it matches something?
Was that kept quiet then?
I thought the pj had no trace of any burglar at all, I'm confused lol

I bet they still don't have any, and this is just part of the "we went all the way show".
They have been watching CSI too much.

by lj 02.07.14 16:44

sallypelt wrote:
FrankS wrote:http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/will-dna-solve-madeleine-mccann-case.html

I have skimmed over PB's blog, but I find her analysis far too simple. No matter what these "professionals" throw at the great unwashed, there's one thing, above all others, in the McCann case that CANNOT be explained away, and that is the smell of death on Kate McCann's clothes and the car the McCann's hired a few weeks AFTER Madeleine went missing.

To coin a phrase....we are just NOT buying it!

They did not want to explain it away. They are just ignoring it.

by lj 02.07.14 16:46

NickE wrote:
Justformaddie wrote:Hairs that were found on sm chairs with DNA similar to maddies apparently
....and the DNA in the boot of the trunk was not similar to Madeleine's DNA or?

Nah, those were not interesting enough to investigate.

Wonder if FFS pardon FSS ~~did this bend the evidence~~ analysis too.

by lj 02.07.14 16:49

Daryl Dixon wrote:
Monty Heck wrote:
NickE wrote:
Justformaddie wrote:Hairs that were found on sm chairs with DNA similar to maddies apparently
....and the DNA in the boot of the trunk was not similar to Madeleine's DNA or?
Quite. When is a partial match not a partial match and why should one have less significance than the other? Most unscientific. It seems unlikely there is any intent to prosecute as any defender of the "new arguido/s" would annihilate this piece of evidence on exactly those grounds.

It seems to me that Eddie and Keela's indications in 5A and on McCanns clothes have been in some way invalidated or discredited. I can see no other reason why the police would appear to openly ignore the dogs findings.

I can see a reason, but that has nothing to do with the evidence itself.

by Newintown 02.07.14 16:50

lj wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
FrankS wrote:http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/will-dna-solve-madeleine-mccann-case.html

I have skimmed over PB's blog, but I find her analysis far too simple. No matter what these "professionals" throw at the great unwashed, there's one thing, above all others, in the McCann case that CANNOT be explained away, and that is the smell of death on Kate McCann's clothes and the car the McCann's hired a few weeks AFTER Madeleine went missing.

To coin a phrase....we are just NOT buying it!

They did not want to explain it away. They are just ignoring it.

How do you know "they are just ignoring it". Do you expect SY to tell the whole population of the UK and the World what they are actually doing and what they've found.

I can't see how "they are just ignoring it" when they are using dogs at the present time. So if the dogs had found something in the digs in the past week or so and may find something in forthcoming digs are you saying that SY will just ignore their findings?

by ultimaThule 02.07.14 16:51

Cristobell wrote:I think if the McCanns had help, they would never have used the hire car to move the body - that was an act of desperation, Mark Harrison was due to arrive to conduct thorough searches. The McCanns are both doctors, so too some of their friends, they would have worked with cadavers as students and would be familiar with the smell they leave behind, using their own car was incredibly risky, and not something they would have done if they had another option (a helper).

We are talking about the death of a child here. How likely is it that the parents would have trusted complete strangers? Why would Malenka or Murat get involved in such a heinous crime to assist people they don't know in the disposal of a child's body? What were the chances of the McCanns holidaying in a small Portuguese resort, that they had never been to before, finding such hardened criminals among the locals?

I have watched Hideho's video of Malenka, he has no criminal record and as a 'normal' man, its not in the least surprising that he had porn on his computer.

I agree with others, who think SY are ticking boxes created by the McCanns. They tried their damnest to pin the crime on Robert Murat, and they will clutch any straw that might get them off the hook.

While I incline to the view that the McCanns did not have help when moving the body, you have made a number of assertions that I cannot agree with, Cristobell, as:

1. Medical students do not dissect decomposed cadavers and the predominant odour in the path lab is that of formaldehyde,

2, 'Normal' men don't keep porn on their computers and I would regard any man that does with suspicion. .

3. The absence of a criminal record is no indication of probity as all convicted criminals once had no record of offending and some long practising criminals die with a clean sheet.

4.. Gerry had been to Portugal before the couple's MW holiday and the McCanns, together with the twins and an older female child, were allegedly seen on a beach close to PDL at Easter 2007.

by Woofer 02.07.14 16:56

From a 2011 thread by TB - `Analysis - why did RM have encrypted material on his computer` :-

"The da Silvas

In view of the importance of the da Silva family in the various rounds of meetings Robert Murat had between Tuesday 1 May and Thursday 3 May, there has been interest in Murat’s connections with that family. Several other individuals with the surname ‘da Silva’ were contacted by the Portuguese Police in their enquiries.

Marina Castela (see above) gave a detailed witness statement in which she explained that the person responsible for cleaning Apartment 5A was an employee called Maria Julia Serafim da Silva. There has been speculation that she might be related to the da Silva father and sons whom Murat was so anxious to meet (as we have seen above) as soon as he returned to Praia da Luz in the early hours of Tuesday 1 May.

Another witness with the surname da Silva - Maria Manuela Martins da Silva - said was visiting the sister of her boyfriend in another Ocean Club apartment (Block 6, Apartment 5) during the afternoon and evening of 3 May. From the ground floor kitchen window of that apartment, there was a direct view across to the back windows of the apartment occupied by Madeleine McCann [Source: Police Files 02 - Processos Volume II, Pages 469 to 470a].

Unusually, some five days later, Maria was able to recall the exact time she left that apartment - 9.58pm. She says she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time, and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge. Maria da Silva left with her boyfriend in a green Opel Frontera, parked in the private parking area of Block 6. As they drove away, she recalled seeing a small car, perhaps grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment. By coincidence the route taken by GNR officer, Pedro Miguel Esteves Fernandes and the Search & Rescue dogs in the early hours of 4 May, lost track of Madeleine's scent in the private parking area of Block 6.

The following da Silvas are noted in the Portuguese Police files:

· Maria Julia Serafim da Silva - responsible for cleaning Apartment 5A - and supervised by Marina Castela

· JJorge Manuel da Silva - Businessman and shop owner that Murat and Walczuk meet with at golf club for several hours on the afternoon of May 3rd and elsewhere at other times

· Maria Manuela Martins da Silva - staying with the sister of boyfriend in Apartment Block 6 of the Ocean Club

· Celeste Da Conceicao Antao da Silva - A cleaner at the Ocean Club, Celeste is the first to report that there had been a spate of burglaries in the resort

· Joquim Silva - A member of the 100-strong Jehovah's Witness congregation, who did not confirm Michaela Walczuk's claim of aAttendance a JW meeting on the night of 3 May. He is featured in a report by the Evening Standard.

TB didn`t include the latest Arguido Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva who was a driver at the OC.

Just noticed when I was trying to find out what was found on RM`s computer.

by Joey Deacon 02.07.14 17:08

I think that the most interesting news of the day is that a large swathe of bog entries have been removed from the McCann's blog.

Other than to hide information, what possible reason could there be for this?

It follows then, that if they are hiding information, then they have something to hide.

Now, I'm sure that all of us here suspect that they have something to hide (and suspect that they know they have something to hide too), but whoosing information from their blog suggests that they now know, or suspect that some people (of an official capacity perhaps), are now looking at them more closely than they were in the past.

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