Re: Breaking News on Sky News - SY back in PDL suspects to be interviewed

by sofieellis 02.07.14 14:18

NickE wrote:
sofieellis wrote:Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 36s
Source: Today police began the process of speaking to a total of 11 witnesses. #mccann

Any idea who these witnesses might be? Tapas staff, creche staff .... or?

No idea, but if the witnesses progress the case as much as we're led to believe the arguidos have, then I don't suppose it matters who they are.

by Baldrick 02.07.14 14:23

sofieellis wrote:Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 1m
Source close to @MadeleineMcCann investigation: "Questioning of the four suspects was concluded yesterday evening."

Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 51s
Source: "Unfortunately the interviews have led to no new developments and we are back where we were seven years ago."

Well they are very unlikely to say "The people we interviewed squealed like pigs, and told us exactly what we wanted to know"

by FrankS 02.07.14 14:24

Brunty on Sky News Live a few mins ago.

The 3 reasons why SY/PJ are speaking to S.M on a second day.

There is a forensic link between his apartment and apartment 5a. (Didn't mention the hair).

He was overheard on the phone the next day (May 4th) talking suspiciously.

His car was burnt out with the words 'speak' painted next to it.

by Bishop Brennan 02.07.14 14:37

FrankS wrote:Brunty on Sky News Live a few mins ago.

The 3 reasons why SY/PJ are speaking to S.M on a second day.

There is a forensic link between his apartment and apartment 5a. (Didn't mention the hair).

He was overheard on the phone the next day (May 4th) talking suspiciously.

His car was burnt out with the words 'speak' painted next to it.

Right - so the exact same reasons that the PJ spoke to him, and examined all his computers back in 2007. All part of AR's approach to ignore any work done by the PJ and all of the available files. Following (that part of) the remit - to investigate as though it was for the first time. Ditto the digs, and ditto the 11 witnesses. All been done 7 long years ago, but reported now as though it is BREAKING NEWS...

by whatliesbehindthesofa 02.07.14 14:44

One might question why exactly Scotland Yard have leaked to the BBC that there have been no new developments. Surely, if that really was the case there would be no point in leaking anything.

by Cristobell 02.07.14 14:46

So in sights at the moment, are Sergi Malenka, a 50 year old with mental disabilities, a man who was 16 at the time and friendly with the disabled guy, and an Ocean Club driver.

Sadly prisons are filled with mentally disabled people, they are probably the easiest group to pin a crime on and no doubt the ever helpful Jane Tanner will recognise him as the man she saw, and a few of the tapas will probably recall seeing him hanging around.

Imo, it is unbelievably wicked of the police to join in with the McCanns and their friends in pointing the finger at innocent people, especially considering the police know (or should know) exactly who was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. What will become of those men named arguidoes? Will they be publically vilified? Will they be physically attacked? Just how far will Scotland Yard go to steer suspicion away from the parents? It now seems to include endangering lives.

by Newintown 02.07.14 14:48

Bishop Brennan wrote:
FrankS wrote:Brunty on Sky News Live a few mins ago.

The 3 reasons why SY/PJ are speaking to S.M on a second day.

There is a forensic link between his apartment and apartment 5a. (Didn't mention the hair).

He was overheard on the phone the next day (May 4th) talking suspiciously.

His car was burnt out with the words 'speak' painted next to it.

Right - so the exact same reasons that the PJ spoke to him, and examined all his computers back in 2007. All part of AR's approach to ignore any work done by the PJ and all of the available files. Following (that part of) the remit - to investigate as though it was for the first time. Ditto the digs, and ditto the 11 witnesses. All been done 7 long years ago, but reported now as though it is BREAKING NEWS...

As the McCanns were telling the whole World from very early on that the PJ were useless and were trying to implicate them in Madeleine's "disappearance" I can see that SY are looking on the new investigation as a "clean sweep" and are starting from the beginning, although they may be making reference to the files made available to see what has been done earlier and overlapping things that have already been done, i.e. interviews of certain people.

That way if a case ever goes to trial the McCanns cannot claim that they didn't have a fair trial as SY were only following what the PJ said from the beginning. The fact that the new operation was based in Oporto away from the original police investigation may also point to the fact that the SY operation is distancing itself from the original investigation and is looking at it with "fresh eyes" as to not to leave themselves open to "corruption" shouted from the rooftops by the McCanns et al.

All IMO of course.

by Bishop Brennan 02.07.14 14:56

Cristobell wrote:So in sights at the moment, are Sergi Malenka, a 50 year old with mental disabilities, a man who was 16 at the time and friendly with the disabled guy, and an Ocean Club driver.

Sadly prisons are filled with mentally disabled people, they are probably the easiest group to pin a crime on and no doubt the ever helpful Jane Tanner will recognise him as the man she saw, and a few of the tapas will probably recall seeing him hanging around.

Imo, it is unbelievably wicked of the police to join in with the McCanns and their friends in pointing the finger at innocent people, especially considering the police know (or should know) exactly who was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. What will become of those men named arguidoes? Will they be publically vilified? Will they be physically attacked? Just how far will Scotland Yard go to steer suspicion away from the parents? It now seems to include endangering lives.

If you are wearing a "cover-up" hat, then the answer is that £10m+ and 38 SY officers buys you as many Arguidos as you require, and goes as far and as long as you need to go. If this is just a fishing expedition by AR (and if Brunt's report is accurate then it clearly is) then it's shocking and VERY destructive.

by noddy100 02.07.14 14:57

Well judging by previous form and how much the mccanns appear to be able to orchestrate things maybe they insisted these 4 were looked at and SY have complied but found nothing

by Tangled Web 02.07.14 14:59

sofieellis wrote:Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 1m
Source close to @MadeleineMcCann investigation: "Questioning of the four suspects was concluded yesterday evening."

Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 51s
Source: "Unfortunately the interviews have led to no new developments and we are back where we were seven years ago."

Well, if we're back to where we were seven years ago, the finger must be pointing right at the McCann's IMO.

by **PeterMac** 02.07.14 15:00

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28123433

Questioning of four suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation has concluded without any new developments, a source has told the BBC.
The source close to the inquiry played down the significance of the interviews with suspects in Portugal on Tuesday.
Portuguese detectives in Faro were observed during the questioning by officers from the Met Police, which is carrying out its own investigation.
Madeleine disappeared aged three in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
The source told the BBC: "Questioning of the four suspects was concluded yesterday evening. Unfortunately the interviews have led to no new developments and we are back where we were seven years ago."

Well quite.
"back where we were 7 years ago", with -
No evidence of any unauthorised entry to the apartment
No evidence of any unauthorised exit from the apartment
No evidence of an abduction of a child from the apartment
Evidence of a dead body having been present in the apartment
Evidence of both parents lying about the circumstances
and so on and repetitively on.

And as for "playing down the significance" of formally detaining and interviewing no fewer than FOUR suspects, under caution, in full view of the world's press in a case which has captivated the world for nearly three quarters of a decade . . . Playing down the significance .. .?
Have they in fact got what they wanted.
They may have wanted negative evidence - by which I do not mean "No comment" but cast iron alibis for each one.

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

by Pershing36 02.07.14 15:02

Bishop Brennan wrote:
Cristobell wrote:So in sights at the moment, are Sergi Malenka, a 50 year old with mental disabilities, a man who was 16 at the time and friendly with the disabled guy, and an Ocean Club driver.

Sadly prisons are filled with mentally disabled people, they are probably the easiest group to pin a crime on and no doubt the ever helpful Jane Tanner will recognise him as the man she saw, and a few of the tapas will probably recall seeing him hanging around.

Imo, it is unbelievably wicked of the police to join in with the McCanns and their friends in pointing the finger at innocent people, especially considering the police know (or should know) exactly who was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. What will become of those men named arguidoes? Will they be publically vilified? Will they be physically attacked? Just how far will Scotland Yard go to steer suspicion away from the parents? It now seems to include endangering lives.

If you are wearing a "cover-up" hat, then the answer is that £10m+ and 38 SY officers buys you as many Arguidos as you require, and goes as far and as long as you need to go. If this is just a fishing expedition by AR (and if Brunt's report is accurate then it clearly is) then it's shocking and VERY destructive.

Malenka looks like he could fit as a Patsy quite well. There were loads of allegations about Porn and encrypted files knocking about the web. I am sure these could resurface and maybe even get them out of burglary gone wrong (which sounds nuts) to a more believable people ring.

by Newintown 02.07.14 15:03

noddy100 wrote:Well judging by previous form and how much the mccanns appear to be able to orchestrate things maybe they insisted these 4 were looked at and SY have complied but found nothing

As mentioned in my earlier post at 2.48 p.m. no doubt SY have to look at everyone who may have any connection with Madeleine, either a fantasy story or something else, to eliminate everyone and everything so there is no "wriggle out room" in any future court case which may take place.

by Bishop Brennan 02.07.14 15:03

Tangled Web wrote:
sofieellis wrote:Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 1m
Source close to @MadeleineMcCann investigation: "Questioning of the four suspects was concluded yesterday evening."

Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 51s
Source: "Unfortunately the interviews have led to no new developments and we are back where we were seven years ago."

Well, if we're back to where we were seven years ago, the finger must be pointing right at the McCann's IMO.

And yet it isn't, is it? In the eyes of the public the finger is pointing now (and probably for ever more) at this new carefully selected band of 4 Arguidos. Job, quite possibly, Done. Or the prelude to AR's masterstroke?

by FrankS 02.07.14 15:05

Bishop Brennan wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
sofieellis wrote:Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 1m
Source close to @MadeleineMcCann investigation: "Questioning of the four suspects was concluded yesterday evening."

Dominic Hurst ‏@DominicHurst 51s
Source: "Unfortunately the interviews have led to no new developments and we are back where we were seven years ago."

Well, if we're back to where we were seven years ago, the finger must be pointing right at the McCann's IMO.

And yet it isn't, is it? In the eyes of the public the finger is pointing now (and probably for ever more) at this new carefully selected band of 4 Arguidos. Job, quite possibly, Done. Or the prelude to AR's masterstroke?

See PeterMac's post up thread.

Summed it up very nicely.

by lj 02.07.14 15:07

Tony Bennett wrote:
FrankS wrote: The British Police even asked the Judiciary Police to start collecting fingerprints and a DNA profiles of the four suspects now constituted as arguidos. Even if it was done in a sneaky way.

The request appears in a letter rogatory dated of July last year, but was challenged by the PJ, since it is an illegality. At the request of Scotland Yard, and with the endorsement of the Portuguese Public Ministry, the suspects were formally constituted arguidos, Tuesday, by the PJ inspectors of the Southern Directorate in Faro.
So it took nearly a year to accede to one of Redwood's Rogatory Requests!

Looks like the Portuguese are exacting revenge over Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith delaying all those Rogatory Requests by the Portuguese police back in late 2007/early 2008

Or the reason for the request were bogus. After all you have to have some reasonable suspicion to haul in peoiple, make them arguidos and interrogate them.

by **PeterMac** 02.07.14 15:16

lj wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:. . .The British Police even asked the Judiciary Police to start collecting fingerprints and a DNA profiles of the four suspects now constituted as arguidos.
Or the reason for the request were bogus. After all you have to have some reasonable suspicion to haul in people, make them arguidos and interrogate them.

The only reason for taking fingerprints from a suspect is to COMPARE them with one you already have from the scene or a piece of evidence linked to a crime.
In itself it has no value
The only reason for taking a DNA profile from a suspect is to COMPARE it with one you already have from the scene or a piece of evidence linked to a crime.
In itself it has no value

by lj 02.07.14 15:16

candyfloss wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Poe wrote:In amongst all the dross in the press, there has been some surprisingly specific information:

- The police allowed themselves to be filmed carrying out the digs making sure that everyone was absolutely clear on which areas were being searched.

- The dogs were specifically identified as cadaver dogs.

- Out of all the possible witnesses/suspects, the press have named Sergey Malinka. Why just him?

Perhaps this is being carefully orchestrated to ramp up the pressure on the McCanns.
The alternative view of course is that this is most certainly 'being carefully orchestrated' - who could disagree with that? - but primarily, or even solely, to continue to influence public perception of what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

Has there ever been any case before in world history where so many events in a police investigation have been played out, apparently quite deliberately, in the full glare of the media and cameras (and ExclusivePics)?

Genuine question.

Can anyone think of another case where cameras were on hand to record police officers laising with each other, collecting boxes of evidence, flying in helicopters, digging wasteland with dozens of media cameramen looking on, etc. etc.?

Yes, both Tia Sharp and April Jones, both extremely high profile cases, played out in the media daily until the perpetrator arrested and tried. We had the dogs going in, the helicopters etc., police coming out with evidence bags - media interviews with cops..... all exactly the same

In the US nowadays every step is being filmed, from arrest to handling evidence etc. To avoid claims of tampering with evidence, beating up suspects etc.
Of course those videos are not supposed to end up in the press.

by lj 02.07.14 15:19

PeterMac wrote:
lj wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:. . .The British Police even asked the Judiciary Police to start collecting fingerprints and a DNA profiles of the four suspects now constituted as arguidos.
Or the reason for the request were bogus. After all you have to have some reasonable suspicion to haul in people, make them arguidos and interrogate them.

The only reason for taking fingerprints from a suspect is to COMPARE them with one you already have from the scene or a piece of evidence linked to a crime.
In itself it has no value
The only reason for taking a DNA profile from a suspect is to COMPARE it with one you already have from the scene or a piece of evidence linked to a crime.
In itself it has no value

Exactly. They should be able to deny having to give that, don't they?

It's a massive fishing expedition and the fishers have no idea what they are looking for.

I hope all 4 brought lawyers, who adviced them to sit thight and answer no question.

by SallyVern 02.07.14 15:24

If Malinka did transport Maddie in his car then how convenient that his car was burnt to the ground in 2007. Looking from another point of view, if Malinka is being framed then how convenient for (whoever) that his car was burnt to the ground – take your pick.

I'm still convinced that GM knew Murat before Maddie vanished into thin air but only because of his response when asked if he knew him. If GM knows Murat then there might be a link to Malinka.

What if (and a big if) Murat was positioned as an interpreter to get inside knowledge of what was being said to relay back to the McC's? What if Murat was instrumental in helping them move Maddie to the first location using Malinka's car and later moved again in the hire car when they caught wind that the dogs would be flown in?

I believe that a body is often moved approx. 3 times when the person or persons involved are known to the victim. A stranger tends to leave the body in situ.

Don't want to point any fingers but it looks a bit odd considering. All in my personal opinion of course.

What I don't understand is if Maddie's hair was found on SM's couch then why wasn't he looked at in more depth back then? Not sure if he's being used as a scapegoat or if something was found in the scrublands to tie loose ends together.

I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!

by tiny 02.07.14 15:29

SallyVern wrote....I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!-----

I think there are quite a few like this.

by View-from-Ireland 02.07.14 15:30

SallyVern wrote:

I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!

That's exactly how I feel. I can't bring myself to post because my views/feelings are in a state of flux.

This case is such a head-scrambler if such a phrase exists.

by SixMillionQuid 02.07.14 15:40

SallyVern wrote:What I don't understand is if Maddie's hair was found on SM's couch then why wasn't he looked at in more depth back then? Not sure if he's being used as a scapegoat or if something was found in the scrublands to tie loose ends together.

I feel like a bloody yo-yo right now. Whitewash; no whitewash. Murat involved; Murat not involved back to Murat involved. My head is spinning!

Nothing in files to say hair samples were found at his property in 2007.

And this makes curious to know when these samples were found. SY 'found' crecheman six years later and now this.

by sallypelt 02.07.14 15:40

http://cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=34BF91B3-37F0-4D16-8A68-59F7D33471C8

Can anyone understand Portuguese?

by lj 02.07.14 15:45

stillsloppingout wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Poe wrote:In amongst all the dross in the press, there has been some surprisingly specific information:

- The police allowed themselves to be filmed carrying out the digs making sure that everyone was absolutely clear on which areas were being searched.

- The dogs were specifically identified as cadaver dogs.

- Out of all the possible witnesses/suspects, the press have named Sergey Malinka. Why just him?

Perhaps this is being carefully orchestrated to ramp up the pressure on the McCanns.
The alternative view of course is that this is most certainly 'being carefully orchestrated' - who could disagree with that? - but primarily, or even solely, to continue to influence public perception of what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

Has there ever been any case before in world history where so many events in a police investigation have been played out, apparently quite deliberately, in the full glare of the media and cameras (and ExclusivePics)?

Genuine question.

Can anyone think of another case where cameras were on hand to record police officers laising with each other, collecting boxes of evidence, flying in helicopters, digging wasteland with dozens of media cameramen looking on, etc. etc.?
Correct .. throw in two workers with local knowledge [ possibly keys ] , a Russian , [ who is an expert with computers, nice !!! they will start alluding to web porn next . oh no show would be complete with out the village idiot . well surprise surprise , they found one of them as well . all bases covered. the 3 Arguido's are now seven . it has re shaped history .
a member of this forum stated we must give redwood a chance and NOT to take the P*** out of his ar** . well i see nothing [ crimewatch , the digs , this , that has given me any confidence . Only when the tapas lot inc the McCann's are rounded up in dawn raids and taken to paddington green station , and questioned under oath, with the PJ present will i have any confidence in this case and the way it is being run . You Do NOT spend ten Million pounds when the conclusion is plain to see . its a disgrace .

I completely agree!
Stating obvious opinions like this is completely different from what happened to Dr. Amaral: he was first leaned on from all sides (his own dep, diplomats, politicians), then sidelined and after that almost "finished" by the McCanns.
Andy Redwood seems to have a crad blanche and not only financially. He really tries to do whatever he can to make this more a show.

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