British Police hiding evidence in Maddie case.

Bishop Brennan wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

canada12 wrote:

sofieellis wrote:
If the same tradition is used in Portugal, then anyone with keys, would also have access to the coffin.

And if someone with keys had the time to wait until someone died, and their coffin was placed overnight in the church, then it would be a simple matter to take an item out of cold storage and transport it to the coffin, and nobody would be any the wiser in the morning.

  And someone who knew about the Catholic traditions of leaving the coffin in the church....unlike me, I would never have thought of such a thing!

It's an astonishing twist to this saga that seems to have no end.  But that the story comes from Amaral - already facing a libel charge - does give it a lot of credibility. This is not a 'source' or a rumour, this seems to be Amaral being quoted directly.  As bluebag said earlier, he appears to be going "all in" - so let's hope he's got the cards (Ace or otherwise) to back it up.  The McCanns lawyers are certain to call him on it, so he needs to know this is true... or know someone who does.   Fingers crossed!

ChippyM wrote:

Bishop Brennan wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

canada12 wrote:

sofieellis wrote:
If the same tradition is used in Portugal, then anyone with keys, would also have access to the coffin.

And if someone with keys had the time to wait until someone died, and their coffin was placed overnight in the church, then it would be a simple matter to take an item out of cold storage and transport it to the coffin, and nobody would be any the wiser in the morning.

  And someone who knew about the Catholic traditions of leaving the coffin in the church....unlike me, I would never have thought of such a thing!

It's an astonishing twist to this saga that seems to have no end.  But that the story comes from Amaral - already facing a libel charge - does give it a lot of credibility. This is not a 'source' or a rumour, this seems to be Amaral being quoted directly.  As bluebag said earlier, he appears to be going "all in" - so let's hope he's got the cards (Ace or otherwise) to back it up.  The McCanns lawyers are certain to call him on it, so he needs to know this is true... or know someone who does.   Fingers crossed!

 Unless it's just the translation, he refers to 'reports'. So would that mean he has access to some kind of witness statement or statements about the coffin incident?  I bloody hope so!

NickE wrote:Does Roman Catholics use cremation as a method at all?

sofieellis wrote:

NickE wrote:Does Roman Catholics use cremation as a method at all?

Yes, I have known lots of Catholics who have been cremated.

noddy100 wrote:

kevmack wrote:I'm really keen to find out the veracity of this and the link Candyfloss posted earlier with all the references to dawn in PdL..that's really intriguing, and definitely sounds like certain people know things.., wish they'd hurry up and reveal all, I understand about timing etc and to use the Mccanns favourite soundbite, getting all of the pieces of the puzzle, but it's so frustrating if there is evidence there, that is being kept under wraps until it can all be tied together, prior to finally resolving this crime.

I am a strong believer that the only reason there has been no action against the McCanns so far is the lack of solid evidence that will secure a conviction in a court of law.  Knowing how slippery the McCanns can be, every i needs to be dotted and every t crossed, but hopefully it is just a matter of time

They look rattled
I think they have always been confident because they know the body will never be found
This has kept the charade going
But now I think they may be realising that forensics etc have moved on and some cases are brought without a body and the longer this drags out the more chance they have of being rumbled
That coupled with their indented arrogance is written all over their faces
They are used to calling the shots and now they aren't
Not even with SY

Ochosi wrote:Was looking at it earlier, Rasputin. 

Some info here:

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id353.html

kevmack wrote:Totally agree with the last sentence, that was the one mistake the Portuguese made and that was not hauling them and their friends straight in for questioning under arguido status on the 4th May.  They were allowed to prance around, putting out stories in the media and setting the whole world off on a wild goose chase, which allowed evidence to be compromised and ultimately created a very difficult environment with which to charge and subsequently prosecute them.  

Sadly it was the compassion of the Portuguese police rather than ineptitude or lack of care, which enabled the McCanns to go about their business, raising money and acting like celebs, but worse than that, to create a huge wave of hostility to the very police force who had gone out of their way to help them, hostility that has grown over the years and culminating in the sad state of affairs that sees a hardworking, conscientious and honest man, dragged through court, in order to assist the McCanns maintain the lie, they started on the 3rd of May 2007

Nina wrote:

SallyVern wrote:I trust Dr Amaral and considering the length of time it took to move Madeleine's body then his theory makes sense. I recall (a rumour?) he said evidence had been found suggesting Madelene's body was frozen prior to being moved in the hire car. Maybe frozen while waiting for the first available funeral? but it's a huge gamble to take. What if someone looked in the coffin prior to the cremation.

I can't remember the guy's name, the one that stored the hire car for the McCanns. Maybe his freezer should undergo forensic examination just to make sure.

SallyVern, when one looks into the coffin at the dearly departed we look at the face, maybe the hands as they may have been placed at repose on the chest. We do not look further down the coffin and often, even with the full lid lifted the lower body is covered by a lace edged coverlet. It would be very easy to place something else beside, or under the legs of the person awaiting disposal be it by burial or cremation.
I wonder if maybe an overnight in the church prior to the service? This would make me believe it was a person who was very close to the church and wished to be there overnight before their last journey.


Just another pointer which makes it more believable. An open top casket can also open in two halves which is pretty normal anyway exposing the torso and leaving the legs and feet covered with the other half. Would there be enough room to conceal a small child without anyone noticing?

Dutchgirl wrote:Hidden Evidence

19 June 2014 | Posted by Joana Morais
The former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão discloses new information
Gonçalo Amaral says that documentation within the scope of the English investigation into Madeleine's disappearance vanished from the case files

by Magali Pinto

Just a few days after Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club tourist resort in Praia da Luz, Lagos, on the 3rd of May 2007, a witness showed up, a British tourist woman, who claimed she saw the girl's father walking in the beach at night. The disclosure was made by the former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão, Gonçalo Amaral, on CMTV [Correio da Manhã TV channel, available at MEO digital TV provider], according to whom all data referring to that witness has vanished.

"We tried to retrieve that witness statement and the documents that were in the domain of the English police. They have simply vanished. To this day we still don't know who that witness is and where she is", said Gonçalo Amaral.

The former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão will face again today Gerry and Kate McCann at the Palácio da Justiça in Lisbon, for another hearing session of the trial in which the McCann couple demands 1,2 million euros for damages for the publication of the book 'Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira' [Maddie, The Truth of the Lie] written by Gonçalo Amaral. In the book, the former coordinator of the PJ sustains the thesis that the parents are responsible for the disappearance of the girls and the concealment of her body.

Gonçalo Amaral has no doubts that Maddie is dead.

"The girl's parents had a key to church, in that church a vigil took place a month after the disappearance. According to information, the child's body could have been placed in the coffin, at the feet of the woman that was later cremated".

He concluded by saying, "The mystery will only be over when they stop protecting the McCann couple. Only then we will learn the truth".

Details

5 Million
Since the beginning of the Operation Grange - the name given to the English investigation initiated in 2011 - the English have already spend well over 5 million euros. [sic, is closer to 12 million euros/10 million pounds]

Two Weeks
Just in the searches that took place in the past couple of weeks, with sniffer dogs, georadar, in three areas in Praia da Luz, the English authorities have spent about 100 thousand euros.

Results
Even though all that money has been invested, so far, there is no progress made in the investigation resulting from the efforts of the English.

in Correio da Manhã, pag. 19, paper edition/online here, June 16, 2014
Before, during and after the time the McCanns were constituted as ‘arguidos’ [formal suspects], Leicestershire Police who was supposedly working in liaison with the Judiciary Police, displayed a link to the McCanns limited company, their 'fund-raising' website. The link was only removed on 7 September 2010. More on the fund here.

«Leicestershire Constabulary: A number of law enforcement agencies, including Leicestershire Constabulary, have a link to the 'Find Madeleine' website. Whilst we encourage anyone with information about Madeleine's whereabouts to contact the Portuguese police or their local police, we recognise the fact that some people may not feel comfortable in doing so. This link provides them with an alternative means of passing information.» in The Most Incredible Statement Made By A Police Force Ever

perpendicular circus wrote: They need the funds to secure their reputation. They need their reputation to secure the fund. 
 But they can't say that ,and they even have to claim that being made arguidos was totally cool and expected and not traumatic in any way. .
 
 In creating a media monster and accepting Clarrie they have made a Frankenstein that they have to keep feeding .  The monster was to push away any suggestion of their involvement and they saw that negligence was the first in-road to that. 
 The article I posted in which Clarrie gives a very open interview to a German satirical magazine was most revealing in that he focussed on  "parental responsibility" as the very first aspect of this potential money-spinner.

j.rob wrote:If, as Amaral suggests, Madeleine was cremated a month after she disappeared, which would be 3rd June, I wonder what Kate has to say about the events of that day in her surprisingly revealing book?

Perhaps also of interest, it was in early June that that the Foreign Office decided that Clarence had to go and the McCanns should use Madeleine's Fund to employ someone to replace Clarence once their campaign visits were complete. Also of note is how reluctant the McCann's are to have to use The Fund to pay a salary for media liaison. 

But back to 3rd June. Kate writes:

"It was the following evening, Sunday 3 June - exactly a month after Madeleine's abduction - that Gerry and I opened up a little more to each other and shared some of the thoughts and anxieties that had been quietly tormenting us both: thoughts and anxieties that perhaps we hadn't felt able to ready to voice up to now.........We acknowledged the possibility that Madeleine might no longer be alive.......For me, the honest exposure of this buried poison was like lancing a boil. ......Strengthened and comforted, I fell asleep that night more peacefully than I had in many days."


Hmmm. And very interesting. So once the 'vital evidence' has been reduced to ashes, Kate and Gerry can sleep peacefully. 

And the Foreign Office can take Clarence off the case.

Job done.