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Post by PeterMac on 16.05.14 9:33

Just a thought

Why has Redwood asked for calm re the McCann case,  and a top cop has asked media not to speculate ?
One possible explanation is that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation

Allowing the enquiry slowly to die away is not likely to do either of these things - not in the short term anyway.
If SY did nothing useful for a year - how would we be able to tell ?

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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 9:41

PeterMac wrote:Just a thought

Why has Redwood asked for calm re the McCann case,  and a top cop has asked media not to speculate ?

Have these things actually happened?
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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements on 16.05.14 9:44

PeterMac wrote:Just a thought

Why has Redwood asked for calm re the McCann case,  and a top cop has asked media not to speculate ?
Has he? When did he say this and where is the link please?
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 16.05.14 9:44

PeterMac wrote:Just a thought

Why has Redwood asked for calm re the McCann case,  and a top cop has asked media not to speculate ?
One possible explanation is that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation

Allowing the enquiry slowly to die away is not likely to do either of these things - not in the short term anyway.
If SY did nothing useful for a year - how would we be able to tell ?

Aye, I like that explanation. We had a media blitz last week, and what seems to be media silence this week. It's feels spookily quiet to me at the moment.

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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 9:56

PeterMac wrote:that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation
IMO it would cause absolute mayhem amongst so many people if they announced that the Mccanns have been charged.

The lynch mobs would be out in force. Rothley towers would be vandalised possible worse. Everybody ever associated with them would be literally thrown to the wolves.

There would be so much anger and hate towards them. It would surpass the likes of Fred and Rose West.

People certainly wouldn't be calm about it anyway...
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Post by HelenMeg on 16.05.14 10:15

Andrew77R wrote:
PeterMac wrote:that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation
IMO it would cause absolute mayhem amongst so many people if they announced that the Mccanns have been charged.

The lynch mobs would be out in force. Rothley towers would be vandalised possible worse. Everybody ever associated with them would be literally thrown to the wolves.

There would be so much anger and hate towards them. It would surpass the likes of Fred and Rose West.

People certainly wouldn't be calm about it anyway...
Maybe PJ are making a breakthrough and Redwood is not happy

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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 10:19

HelenMeg wrote:Maybe PJ are making a breakthrough and Redwood is not happy
Bloody well hope so.
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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 10:21

Andrew77R wrote:
PeterMac wrote:that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation
IMO it would cause absolute mayhem amongst so many people if they announced that the Mccanns have been charged.

The lynch mobs would be out in force. Rothley towers would be vandalised possible worse. Everybody ever associated with them would be literally thrown to the wolves.

There would be so much anger and hate towards them. It would surpass the likes of Fred and Rose West.

People certainly wouldn't be calm about it anyway...

I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for Kate & Gerry but those poor poor twins.
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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 10:23

Andrew77R, that reminds me of Kate's quote that there would be riots if they were arrested! Though she of course meant that the anger would be directed at the police, not at her.

I would hope that people would not behave as you describe, other than the inevitable shouting and screaming outside the courts where suspects are appearing.
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Post by rainbow-fairy on 16.05.14 10:27

Andrew77R wrote:
PeterMac wrote:that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation
IMO it would cause absolute mayhem amongst so many people if they announced that the Mccanns have been charged.

The lynch mobs would be out in force. Rothley towers would be vandalised possible worse. Everybody ever associated with them would be literally thrown to the wolves.

There would be so much anger and hate towards them. It would surpass the likes of Fred and Rose West.

People certainly wouldn't be calm about it anyway...
I agree and I have often wondered - IF the MC's were charged AND convicted (with anything regarding Maddie), what on earth would be done with them? Where would they be put?
Nowhere would be safe enough IMO

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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 10:28

Poe wrote:
I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for Kate & Gerry but those poor poor twins.
Yes, i really do feel for them. I really do. (the twins).

God knows what would happen to them if K and G did end up doing a stretch.

Could they go and live with relatives that were also in on the scam. I don't think so.

New identities and be loved and looked after in a new country would be the best option.
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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 10:34

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Andrew77R, that reminds me of Kate's quote that there would be riots if they were arrested! Though she of course meant that the anger would be directed at the police, not at her.

I would hope that people would not behave as you describe, other than the inevitable shouting and screaming outside the courts where suspects are appearing.
Well this time round there would be riots directed at them if they were arrested.
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Post by HelenMeg on 16.05.14 10:34

Andrew77R wrote:
Poe wrote:
I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for Kate & Gerry but those poor poor twins.
Yes, i really do feel for them. I really do. (the twins).

God knows what would happen to them if K and G did end up doing a stretch.

Could they go and live with relatives that were also in on the scam. I don't think so.

New identities and be loved and looked after in a new country would be the best option.
I honestly cant ever see the Mc Canns being put away. Just cannot envisage that ever happening. Actually it would be enough for me that they had to publicly acknowledge that they knew exactly what happened,  were involved in a cover up and blatantly lied to the world about their daughter's death.Oh yes, on the Lorraine Kelly show  with Kirsty Young in the audience.
Oh yes, and had to pay back the fund and move to a council house on a Leicester estate (nothing wrong in council houses in Leicester -just that the MC Canns being so status driven it would not be easy for them).

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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 10:37

rainbow-fairy wrote:I agree and I have often wondered - IF the MC's were charged AND convicted (with anything regarding Maddie), what on earth would be done with them? Where would they be put?
Nowhere would be safe enough IMO
Exactly. 

Some high secure prison within a prison. Whereabouts not to be disclosed. 

Oh and the taxpayer will have to fork out more millions for it as well. However that could be seen as money well spent.
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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 10:39

@helenmag

I think K and G would sooner do porridge than downsize to a council house.
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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 11:30

HelenMeg wrote:
I honestly cant ever see the Mc Canns being put away. Just cannot envisage that ever happening. Actually it would be enough for me that they had to publicly acknowledge that they knew exactly what happened,  were involved in a cover up and blatantly lied to the world about their daughter's death.Oh yes, on the Lorraine Kelly show  with Kirsty Young in the audience.
Oh yes, and had to pay back the fund and move to a council house on a Leicester estate (nothing wrong in council houses in Leicester -just that the MC Canns being so status driven it would not be easy for them).

The irony is that, if the McCanns ever confessed, it wouldn't be safe for them not to be imprisoned and they would be in most danger from their own supporters who have blindly believed every word the couple have uttered.

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rainbow-fairy wrote:I agree and I have often wondered - IF the MC's were charged AND convicted (with anything regarding Maddie), what on earth would be done with them? Where would they be put?
Nowhere would be safe enough IMO
Exactly. 

Some high secure prison within a prison. Whereabouts not to be disclosed. 

Oh and the taxpayer will have to fork out more millions for it as well. However that could be seen as money well spent.

Kate would be put in the same place as Rose West and there are plenty of high security male prisons.
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Post by tasprin on 16.05.14 11:40

rainbow-fairy wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
PeterMac wrote:that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation
IMO it would cause absolute mayhem amongst so many people if they announced that the Mccanns have been charged.

The lynch mobs would be out in force. Rothley towers would be vandalised possible worse. Everybody ever associated with them would be literally thrown to the wolves.

There would be so much anger and hate towards them. It would surpass the likes of Fred and Rose West.

People certainly wouldn't be calm about it anyway...
I agree and I have often wondered - IF the MC's were charged AND convicted (with anything regarding Maddie), what on earth would be done with them? Where would they be put?
Nowhere would be safe enough IMO

That is the most plausible reason for a cover-up (if there is one). And imo it is the reason they created such a huge media circus in the first place, latched on to as many people of influence as possible, and kept it going for seven years - - intentionally making themselves too big to prosecute.

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Post by canada12 on 16.05.14 11:44

tasprin wrote:

That is the most plausible reason for a cover-up (if there is one). And imo it is the reason they created such a huge media circus in the first place, latched on to as many people of influence as possible, and kept it going for seven years - - intentionally making themselves too big to prosecute.

I think Max Clifford put an end to that line of thinking....

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Post by Cristobell on 16.05.14 11:49

PeterMac wrote:Just a thought

Why has Redwood asked for calm re the McCann case,  and a top cop has asked media not to speculate ?
One possible explanation is that something is about to be revealed, or to happen which might cause people NOT to be calm, and might cause the media to begin speculation

Allowing the enquiry slowly to die away is not likely to do either of these things - not in the short term anyway.
If SY did nothing useful for a year - how would we be able to tell ?
Strange to ask for calm, are people likely to riot? What does DCI Redwood know that would lead to the opposite of calm?  Would the arrest of a lone smellyman bring out a hanging mob?  

I think a call for calm, suggests there may be a surprise or dare I say it, a conclusion that the vast majority are not expecting.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 16.05.14 11:53

Cristobell wrote:
Strange to ask for calm, are people likely to riot? What does DCI Redwood know that would lead to the opposite of calm?  Would the arrest of a lone smellyman bring out a hanging mob?  

I think a call for calm, suggests there may be a surprise or dare I say it, a conclusion that the vast majority are not expecting.

If it's a conclusion that the vast majority of the members of this forum are not expecting, I say bring it on!  big grin 

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Post by Cristobell on 16.05.14 12:03

Poe wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:
I honestly cant ever see the Mc Canns being put away. Just cannot envisage that ever happening. Actually it would be enough for me that they had to publicly acknowledge that they knew exactly what happened,  were involved in a cover up and blatantly lied to the world about their daughter's death.Oh yes, on the Lorraine Kelly show  with Kirsty Young in the audience.
Oh yes, and had to pay back the fund and move to a council house on a Leicester estate (nothing wrong in council houses in Leicester -just that the MC Canns being so status driven it would not be easy for them).

The irony is that, if the McCanns ever confessed, it wouldn't be safe for them not to be imprisoned and they would be in most danger from their own supporters who have blindly believed every word the couple have uttered.

Andrew77R wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:I agree and I have often wondered - IF the MC's were charged AND convicted (with anything regarding Maddie), what on earth would be done with them? Where would they be put?
Nowhere would be safe enough IMO
Exactly. 

Some high secure prison within a prison. Whereabouts not to be disclosed. 

Oh and the taxpayer will have to fork out more millions for it as well. However that could be seen as money well spent.

Kate would be put in the same place as Rose West and there are plenty of high security male prisons.
A few months ago I read a post by a 'pro' that floated the idea of letting them off.  What they have done is not so bad, and the amazing work they have done for charity and the protection of children since makes up for anything that may have gone before.  

Its a novel idea, if the public can put aside the actual death of the child and the disposal of her body, everything the McCanns have done since that fateful night could be seen as saintly.  A knighthood and honours might be going a tad too far, but if the public can be convinced that the McCanns have suffered enough by being without their daughter, we can all move on.

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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 12:03

Iv'e always wondered about all those A List celebs that jumped on the bandwagon straight away. Donating money etc. The likes of JK Rowling, Richard Branson, Beckham. I'm sure the list goes on. I even read somewhere that Rooney stuck a 100k into the fund. Not much on there wages but even so.

Anyway, at a later date some of these people who did donate large sums surely looked into it in bit more detail. Or certainly were told things when the files were released etc. 

Some of them must of thought.. 'hang on a minute. That doesn't make sense. The lying, cheating b*stards. Been conned out of a fortune here'.

Now i can understand (a bit) that they may feel embarrassed by being sucked into it all and been played a fool so to speak. What i can't understand why no one of stature has come forward and questioned it.

'Hey i donated 100k. I want it back. They have conned me' etc etc. 

If was say a pro footballer who gave a six figure sum in the early stages to genuinely help, which looks good for my image too with the whole 'helping' thing. Then i found out it was a load of crock. Then i would be taking them to the cleaners and using my high profile to further highlight the case that it was a con and questions need to be answered.

Cant see the Mccanns knocking on Beckhams door with Brian Kennedy and lawyers in tow. 

So why hasn't anyone come forward and told it how it is.

Just a wall of silence. So it must be ok to be conned out of loads of money then?
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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 12:11

Cristobell: I assume the pro was going with the official story and believed that all the McCanns are guilty of is an error of judgement which led to a dreadful consequence?

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with sympathising with anyone who genuinely was in that situation and would welcome what they did later to compensate for their mistake.

Never in a month of Sundays do the McCanns come into that category for me!
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Post by Guest on 16.05.14 12:15

Cristobell wrote:

A few months ago I read a post by a 'pro' that floated the idea of letting them off.  What they have done is not so bad, and the amazing work they have done for charity and the protection of children since makes up for anything that may have gone before.  
... but what is this 'pro' saying THEY HAVE DONE?

Left the kids for a few hours while they went out and dined?

Or, concealed an accidental death and hid the body?

What they have done is not so bad? What is it this pro thinks they have actually done i wonder?
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 16.05.14 15:49

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