Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

by Guest 10.05.14 23:55

@ Andrew 77R

No need to apologise. Anyway, it's all codswallop because there's no way the PJ will have given an exclusive to the Star. big grin

by stillsloppingout 10.05.14 23:58

canada12 wrote:I don't think Madeleine's final resting place is a diggable plot of ground within the general area of PDL.

Although I do think that she was placed in at least one or two places nearby temporarily. And may have been moved multiple times, to keep ahead of police, dogs, etc.

Agree with those who have pointed out that the McCanns (as well as their friends) are all foreigners who fled the country.

I dont for one minute think the PJ have given a quote to the british press , but it only takes one pi**ed off disgruntled cop to fire a parting shot . I do hope that is the case , as surly Portugal are not bending to the Powerful Mc lobby . poor Mr Amaral.

Ps re the Yard in the helecopter shot . it looked to me like he was simply taking pics on a Normal SLR Nikon camera .no heat seeking gizmos . Nice work if you can get it .

by Guest 10.05.14 23:59

Dee Coy wrote:@ Andrew 77R

No need to apologise. Anyway, it's all codswallop because there's no way the PJ will have given an exclusive to the Star.

Yep - certainly agree it's all codswallop.

by squeaker 11.05.14 0:01

If the PJ really do think a foreigner is to blame, then the only ones they KNOW have fled the country are the McCanns and their friends.

by utahagen 11.05.14 0:26

Andrew7706 wrote: "Team McCann want people to think digging is a waste of time."

As the pop song goes, "You got it!/Baby, you've got it."

If this dig is a farce, why did the McCanns look more terrified on the Today Show this week than they did the day after Madeleine was "abducted" seven years ago?

by Markus 2 11.05.14 0:27

Giving in to psychic feelings from Kate to search that area, makes no sense or is there more to this.

Yet the other psychic dig or more informative one that Birch claims, they are taking him to court.

It came as Met detectives last night studied aerial photos of the search sites as they wait for Portuguese police chiefs to tell them if they can be involved in the digs. The locations include wasteland next to the Ocean Club where Madeleine vanished aged three in 2007 and hillside land where mum Kate dreamt her daughter was.

So it was after this dream that they came under suspicion very odd going back there imo unless they hope to find something relating to the Mcanns

Just weeks after Madeleine McCann vanished, sobbing mum Kate rang the Portuguese detective appointed to look after her to tell of a horrific dream in which she had seen her daughter’s dead body.
Distraught Kate said Madeleine had been lying on a hillside overlooking the beach at Praia da Luz. She begged Inspector Ricardo Paiva to search the spot.
Astonishingly, rather than inspiring pity at a desperate mother’s plight, the incident sparked only suspicion in the minds of the officers who were supposed to be hunting Madeleine and her abductor.
And yesterday Paiva told a Portuguese court the frantic phone call was the crucial episode that led to both Kate and Gerry becoming suspects. Kate and Gerry sat just yards from Paiva as he gave evidence in their libel trial against disgraced ex-detective Goncalo Amaral.
He said: “The turning point of the investigation came after I received a phone call from Kate. She was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying.
“She said she had had a nightmare and saw Madeleine's body lying on a hillside and we should search for her there. She gave the impression that she thought she was dead.”
Paiva, a family liaison officer, said he took the call at the end of July 2007. Madeleine had vanished on May 3.
Police duly searched the hillside but found no clues.
But Paiva said the call was the catalyst that persuaded Portuguese police to ask their British counterparts to bring in sniffer dogs to examine the McCanns’ flat.
He told the Lisbon court: “We decided to send the specialist dogs in. British police informed us about how they could detect the scent of death.”
But the detective admitted the police had been suspicious of the McCanns from the start – simply because they had tried to give the stalled hunt for Madeleine some much-needed momentum.
He added: “They disobeyed our request to keep quiet about the details of their daughter’s disappearance while we conducted our investigation. Instead, they turned it into a media circus.”

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by Guest 11.05.14 0:53

Jeremy Wilkins' mate Donal Macintyre with his journalism.... Pr*ck!!

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/massive-row-between-uk-and-portuguese-police-threatens-maddie-digs

by margaret 11.05.14 1:04

sallypelt wrote:David Miliband opens up about IVF battle and adoption as battle with his brother for Labour leadership heats up

In response to Tony's post above, and without posting the entire post, what has often baffled me about the McCann's IVF treatment is how easy it was for Kate to get pregnant by this method. Taking into account what we've been told, that Madeleine appeared to have been a "difficult" baby, it's been stated that Kate was exhausted with Madeleine's lack of sleep etc, yet her and Gerry went ahead and had more IVF treatment, when Madeleine was little more than a year old, resulting in a girl AND boy. Call me cynical, but I can't quite get my head around how "perfect" this IVF treatment turned out to be for the McCann's, whereby it fails for so many people.

Believe me there's no magic. Every cycle has 25-30% chance of success. I've known people to have 12 cycles and nothing, and some who get lucky the first time.

by notlongnow 11.05.14 1:04

Good to see him back as he told the world how it was done some years back.

by Guest 11.05.14 1:11

notlongnow wrote:Good to see him back as he told the world how it was done some years back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwzIxpQgfs

The guy is a joke.

I saw him on a Manchester to London train about a year or so ago. Wish i had a few words with him then.

by listener 11.05.14 1:17

"It came as Met detectives last night studied aerial photos of the search sites as they wait for Portuguese police chiefs to tell them if they can be involved in the digs. The locations include wasteland next to the Ocean Club where Madeleine vanished aged three in 2007 and hillside land where mum Kate dreamt her daughter was."

Don't the Met have Google Earth on their PCs back at the yard?
So they were studying pictures purely for the media.

by garfy 11.05.14 1:25

squeaker wrote:If the PJ really do think a foreigner is to blame, then the only ones they KNOW have fled the country are the McCanns and their friends.

Maddie Case: PJ changes investigation line

Judiciary on the lead of foreign abductor

Investigators believe that the suspect took the English child and left the country

by Tânia Laranjo
10.05.2014

The Judiciary Police (PJ) changes the investigation line in the Maddie case. After the process into the disappearance of the English girl was reopened based on the similarity with five cases of children that allegedly were victims of abuse – and in which Euclides Monteiro, now deceased, appeared as the main suspect – the authorities now believe that the disappearance of Maddie may have been a one-of-a-kind case. translation - not an organised abduction The thesis that connected several situations continues to be followed by the English, (yeah right...at least according to the "leaks" given to MSM, that is)but the Judiciary defends that the indications that have been collected over the past six months weaken that theory.

They now believe that the abduction was an isolated situation and that the crime was committed by a foreigner as this is written by a Portugese based person, "foreign" means NOT PORTUGESE ie, British.. They also defend that the suspect left the countryand have yet to come back for the dig - wont' come back either, willingly – given that no other similar situation took place – and that the body, in a case of homicide,ie, no abductor is holding her in his basement; the dogs were right is no longer in our country, either she was removed, via vehicle, already deceased, to Spain. Nevertheless, this PJ theory is far from being closed. Sources that were contacted by CM recall that the case, as long as it is not clarified, allows for all kinds of hypotheses and speculationbecause the investigation was shut down by political forces..

Meanwhile, the diligences that were requested by the English authorities have no starting date. They've already started.On Thursday, the PJ authorized aerial photos to be taken, in order to understand where the excavations may take place. It is not known whether those will be carried out with the use of dogs or the special sonars that the English say they possess. What is certain is that all the costs will be covered by the British police, which now seems to believe that the little girl died in May of 2007, when she disappeared in Praia da Luz, Lagos. we told you so! Now, you can pay for it, we will not spend another cent on this messThe Scotland Yard members returned to England yesterday morning.

DETAILS

Grounds: One of the locations where the English police wants to carry out searches is a piece of ground near the Ocean Club.madeleine never left the OC until AFTER she was exhumed.

Roadworks: Another location of interest is the streets that were under work in May of 2007. as identified by Amaral and his team

by canada12 11.05.14 1:48

utahagen wrote:Andrew7706 wrote: "Team McCann want people to think digging is a waste of time."

As the pop song goes, "You got it!/Baby, you've got it."

If this dig is a farce, why did the McCanns look more terrified on the Today Show this week than they did the day after Madeleine was "abducted" seven years ago?

I think at least some of the terror comes from Kate and Gerry discovering that their mantra of "abducted and still alive and unharmed somewhere" has at last been discarded by the Met and the field is wide open now to investigate all possibilities. Before, they were fairly safe in their assumptions that everyone had bought their story and the worst they were guilty of was neglect for leaving Madeleine alone (and even then, it was of course "within the bounds of reasonable parenting", or words to that effect.) Now that story has been cast aside. The police are willing to look at all possibilities. And if all possibilities are on the table, that means Kate and Gerry and their friends back under the microscope too. And who knows what the microscope might uncover now that the high magnification has been switched on.

IMO.

by Guest 11.05.14 1:51

Sunday Express's latest...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/475201/Madeleine-s-birthday-is-so-hard-says-mother-Kate-McCann

by canada12 11.05.14 2:00

Andrew77R wrote:Sunday Express's latest...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/475201/Madeleine-s-birthday-is-so-hard-says-mother-Kate-McCann

It's hard not to make really sarcastic comments about this story. It was THEIR idea to stop the dig until after Madeleine's birthday?

Well, ok. Would this be to give "friends" over in Portugal time to move whatever it is they're afraid might be dug up? Now that the aerial photos have been taken and the ground surveyed and, in theory, nobody's watching? (an old trick, by the way)

IMO only.

by Guest 11.05.14 2:25

Interesting what this guy is saying on twitter. Although obviously could be b*llsh*t of course...

Ian Hitchings ‏

[ltr]@IamIanHitchings[/ltr]

  now
#MadeleineMcCann: specialist American law enforcement agencies to take part in Portugal "field operation". #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏

[ltr]@IamIanHitchings[/ltr]

  now
@JillyCL Hi Jilly, I was merely informed by a reliable source. #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏

[ltr]@IamIanHitchings[/ltr]

  now
@_DarkMavis The American's have been involved from the outset. Where do you think #MadeleineMcCann's DNA is held? In the US. #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏

[ltr]@IamIanHitchings[/ltr]

  now
@JillyCL Get your brain cells working. We haven't any Forensic Science Services here in the UK. Also, Maddie's DNA is in the US. #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏[ltr]@IamIanHitchings[/ltr]  now

@JillyCL #MadeleineMcCann's DNA has been held in the US since she disappeared. It's going to be a specialist "field operation". #McCann

by Okeydokey 11.05.14 2:40

Andrew77R wrote:Interesting what this guy is saying on twitter. Although obviously could be b*llsh*t of course...

Ian Hitchings ‏

@IamIanHitchings

  now
#MadeleineMcCann: specialist American law enforcement agencies to take part in Portugal "field operation". #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏

@IamIanHitchings

  now
@JillyCL Hi Jilly, I was merely informed by a reliable source. #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏

@IamIanHitchings

  now
@_DarkMavis The American's have been involved from the outset. Where do you think #MadeleineMcCann's DNA is held? In the US. #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏

@IamIanHitchings

  now
@JillyCL Get your brain cells working. We haven't any Forensic Science Services here in the UK. Also, Maddie's DNA is in the US. #McCann

Ian Hitchings ‏
@IamIanHitchings
  now

@JillyCL #MadeleineMcCann's DNA has been held in the US since she disappeared. It's going to be a specialist "field operation". #McCann

"We haven't any Forensic Science Services here in the UK" = BS of course.

by Okeydokey 11.05.14 2:43

canada12 wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Sunday Express's latest...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/475201/Madeleine-s-birthday-is-so-hard-says-mother-Kate-McCann

It's hard not to make really sarcastic comments about this story. It was THEIR idea to stop the dig until after Madeleine's birthday?

Well, ok. Would this be to give friends over in Portugal time to move whatever it is they're afraid might be dug up? Now that the aerial photos have been taken and the ground surveyed? (an old trick, by the way)

IMO only.

I am afraid I have to agree with you - I say afraid because it means I then have to agree the Met Police are either (a) complete incompetents in Police work or (b) are engaged in a monumental cover up. And of course (a) is a little bit unlikely isn't it?

by canada12 11.05.14 2:44

JillyCL ‏@JillyCL 8m
@IamIanHitchings Maddie's DNA was only sent to the US in 2007 because of Baby Grace http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post20401.html#p20401 … #McCann

JillyCL ‏@JillyCL 24m
@IamIanHitchings That isn't "field operations". There are many forensic sci services in Europe. Why a need to send to the US? #McCann

by canada12 11.05.14 2:51

Okeydokey wrote:
canada12 wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Sunday Express's latest...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/475201/Madeleine-s-birthday-is-so-hard-says-mother-Kate-McCann

It's hard not to make really sarcastic comments about this story. It was THEIR idea to stop the dig until after Madeleine's birthday?

Well, ok. Would this be to give friends over in Portugal time to move whatever it is they're afraid might be dug up? Now that the aerial photos have been taken and the ground surveyed? (an old trick, by the way)

IMO only.

I am afraid I have to agree with you - I say afraid because it means I then have to agree the Met Police are either (a) complete incompetents in Police work or (b) are engaged in a monumental cover up. And of course (a) is a little bit unlikely isn't it?

Or (c) the Met and the PJ were both aware that saying they were going to dig up certain areas around PDL would cause some discomfort among suspects. So they went through an elaborate show to prove they were serious, even to the point of hiring a helicopter to show that they were taking photos of certain areas of interest.

Cue Kate and Gerry pleading with them to delay digging until after they celebrate Madeleine's birthday.

The Met dutifully go home, promising to return at some later, unspecified time. All visible activity ceases in PDL.

And then (and this is all pure speculation on my part), someone goes to suspect areas and makes sure suspect material won't be discovered.

Except they're being watched and monitored and followed, unknown to them.

Or (d), the Met delaying digging had absolutely nothing to do with Kate and Gerry, and it's pure spin that they're saying they asked their pal Andy to delay until after Madeleine's birthday (IMO).

All sorts of interesting possibilities here.

by Okeydokey 11.05.14 2:52

margaret wrote:
sallypelt wrote:David Miliband opens up about IVF battle and adoption as battle with his brother for Labour leadership heats up

In response to Tony's post above, and without posting the entire post, what has often baffled me about the McCann's IVF treatment is how easy it was for Kate to get pregnant by this method. Taking into account what we've been told, that Madeleine appeared to have been a "difficult" baby, it's been stated that Kate was exhausted with Madeleine's lack of sleep etc, yet her and Gerry went ahead and had more IVF treatment, when Madeleine was little more than a year old, resulting in a girl AND boy. Call me cynical, but I can't quite get my head around how "perfect" this IVF treatment turned out to be for the McCann's, whereby it fails for so many people.

Believe me there's no magic. Every cycle has 25-30% chance of success. I've known people to have 12 cycles and nothing, and some who get lucky the first time.

Quite. I don't think Sallypelt can know much about the subject. We're talking averages here. Obviously some couples are going to face virtually insurmountable barriers to conception (not necessarily understood by their doctors) which will mean more couples at the other end of the range have a good chance of conception with IVF. So then you come down to which group any particular IVF couple come under.

My sister conceived after first treatment with IVF. It's not unusual. Possibly some people here don't like the idea of IVF but it's been around for decades.

by Okeydokey 11.05.14 2:55

canada12 wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:
canada12 wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Sunday Express's latest...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/475201/Madeleine-s-birthday-is-so-hard-says-mother-Kate-McCann

It's hard not to make really sarcastic comments about this story. It was THEIR idea to stop the dig until after Madeleine's birthday?

Well, ok. Would this be to give friends over in Portugal time to move whatever it is they're afraid might be dug up? Now that the aerial photos have been taken and the ground surveyed? (an old trick, by the way)

IMO only.

I am afraid I have to agree with you - I say afraid because it means I then have to agree the Met Police are either (a) complete incompetents in Police work or (b) are engaged in a monumental cover up. And of course (a) is a little bit unlikely isn't it?

Or (c) the Met and the PJ were both aware that saying they were going to dig up certain areas around PDL would cause some discomfort among suspects. So they went through an elaborate show to prove they were serious, even to the point of hiring a helicopter to show that they were taking photos of certain areas of interest.

Cue Kate and Gerry pleading with them to delay digging until after they celebrate Madeleine's birthday.

The Met dutifully go home, promising to return at some later, unspecified time. All visible activity ceases in PDL.

And then (and this is all pure speculation on my part), someone goes to suspect areas and makes sure suspect material won't be discovered.

Except they're being watched and monitored and followed, unknown to them.

Or (d), the Met delaying digging had absolutely nothing to do with Kate and Gerry, and it's pure spin that they're saying they asked their pal Andy to delay until after Madeleine's birthday (IMO).

All sorts of interesting possibilities here.

OK Canada I accept the initial premise of (c) - it could be a Police ruse because Police do use ruses like putting suspects up for press interviews to see how they react.

Re (d) I need to catch up on the (usual) nonsense...McCann manipulation of the media is nothing new for sure!

by Okeydokey 11.05.14 2:58

Markus 2 wrote:Giving in to psychic feelings from Kate to search that area, makes no sense or is there more to this.

Yet the other psychic dig or more informative one that Birch claims, they are taking him to court.

It came as Met detectives last night studied aerial photos of the search sites as they wait for Portuguese police chiefs to tell them if they can be involved in the digs. The locations include wasteland next to the Ocean Club where Madeleine vanished aged three in 2007 and hillside land where mum Kate dreamt her daughter was.

So it was after this dream that they came under suspicion very odd going back there imo unless they hope to find something relating to the Mcanns

Just weeks after Madeleine McCann vanished, sobbing mum Kate rang the Portuguese detective appointed to look after her to tell of a horrific dream in which she had seen her daughter’s dead body.
Distraught Kate said Madeleine had been lying on a hillside overlooking the beach at Praia da Luz. She begged Inspector Ricardo Paiva to search the spot.
Astonishingly, rather than inspiring pity at a desperate mother’s plight, the incident sparked only suspicion in the minds of the officers who were supposed to be hunting Madeleine and her abductor.
And yesterday Paiva told a Portuguese court the frantic phone call was the crucial episode that led to both Kate and Gerry becoming suspects. Kate and Gerry sat just yards from Paiva as he gave evidence in their libel trial against disgraced ex-detective Goncalo Amaral.
He said: “The turning point of the investigation came after I received a phone call from Kate. She was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying.
“She said she had had a nightmare and saw Madeleine's body lying on a hillside and we should search for her there. She gave the impression that she thought she was dead.”
Paiva, a family liaison officer, said he took the call at the end of July 2007. Madeleine had vanished on May 3.
Police duly searched the hillside but found no clues.
But Paiva said the call was the catalyst that persuaded Portuguese police to ask their British counterparts to bring in sniffer dogs to examine the McCanns’ flat.
He told the Lisbon court: “We decided to send the specialist dogs in. British police informed us about how they could detect the scent of death.”
But the detective admitted the police had been suspicious of the McCanns from the start – simply because they had tried to give the stalled hunt for Madeleine some much-needed momentum.
He added: “They disobeyed our request to keep quiet about the details of their daughter’s disappearance while we conducted our investigation. Instead, they turned it into a media circus.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-mccann-made-a-suspect-in-maddy-194499#ixzz31MMpxOXD
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“She said she had had a nightmare and saw Madeleine's body lying on a hillside and we should search for her there. She gave the impression that she thought she was dead.”

So Kate is allowed to think her daughter is dead but the lead Police Officer (according to the McCanns and their legal team) is not allowed to because that will impede the search for her.

by canada12 11.05.14 3:00

Okeydokey wrote:

OK Canada I accept the initial premise of (c) - it could be a Police ruse because Police do use ruses like putting suspects up for press interviews to see how they react.

Re (d) I need to catch up on the (usual) nonsense...McCann manipulation of the media is nothing new for sure!

Indeed they do use ruses - quite a lot. Including watching suspects to see how they react to certain questions and circumstances during press conferences. And interviews. And behind the scenes.

by lj 11.05.14 3:06

TheTruthWillOut wrote:What I really can't get my head round is why the McCann's have kept the story in the news for 7 years when they could have just let it die and be forgotten by most.

I mean, if they had let it die when the PJ closed the case in 2008, would the current investigation be happening at all?

As has been pointed out many times: sociopaths, and especially the narcissistic type need the attention, even negative one. They can't help themselves, since they were propelled in the news they have to be there cost what cost.

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