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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.02.13 19:58

Jean wrote:I wondered if that was a reference to Gerry's statement relating to the last time he "checked on the children" when he spent a long time in the toilet without noticing the abductor who was lurking in there, waiting to pounce.
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Post by EJW on 04.02.13 19:59

Good luck for tomorrow Tony, we will all be thinking of you and sending you our positive thoughts. It would be good to remember Fortes fortuna adiuvat.
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Post by sallypelt on 04.02.13 20:02

In my haste to catch up with today's events on the forum, I rushed through today's posts. I have now taken more time to go through them, and I can see that the question res ipsa clemantis has been answered. There, that's now been put to restCOURT 14 - Mr Justice Tugendhat - 10.30am tomorrow, Tuesday 5 February - Page 4 3655783648
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Post by monkey mind on 04.02.13 20:04

@Tony Bennett wrote:[
Here's one that you might not have come across before:

Res ipsa clametis

I'll let one of our classical scholars explain that one!

Ras Ipsa Clametis

Ras Ipsa = facts

So there is no doubt it is an attractive climbing shrub often preferring a sunny aspect and well drained soil.

Though I confess Tony, I’m not sure what you hope to gain from this in court tomorrow. Is Mr Tugendhat a keen gardener perchance??

Best fortune, we are all with you.
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Post by Cheshire Cat on 04.02.13 20:17

Good luck Tony! I will be thinking about you tomorrow and Wednesday.
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Post by cass7 on 04.02.13 20:17

yet again tony hope all is well and you can hold your head up high tomorrow -- a true gentleman yourself and ga -- the mcanns cannot be arsed to show their faces -give em enough rope and all that
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Post by Hobs on 04.02.13 20:17

I forgot to add this one which completely nullifies her claim that the books and you have harmed or hinderd the search for Madeleine in any way , shape or form.

Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?


A. Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

If she is hindering and jeopardising the investigation how can you be guilty of the same thing?

Innocent parents co-operate fully in an investigation, answering all questions, doing reconstructions and so on.

Parents with guilty knowledge refuse to answer all the questions, refuse reconstructions outright or ake unreasobable demands as to who, how or when it can take place.

Parents who are deceptive when their child goes missing have a reason to be deceptive.

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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 20:18

I have merged the Jan45 thread 'Good luck tomorrow', with this one.
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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 20:30

Can't begin to imagine what you're going through at the moment Tony, but I have nothing but admiration and respect for you.

Good luck tomorrow, may justice prevail..
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Post by davidslewgoliath on 04.02.13 20:33

Sincere good wishes for the trial Tony - and here is an anonymous quote which made me think of your great undertaking tomorrow: -

"Take into account that great love and great achievement involve great risk"

You are certainly risking much for your love of truth and justice for a child you never knew - and for that you have earned the respect and admiration of many.
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Post by tiny on 04.02.13 20:40

Good luck for tomorrow tony,i did not think it would get to court, i really thought the mccanns would back down,you must be their worst nightmare because there is no where for them to turn now.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.02.13 20:43

@Cheshire Cat wrote:Good luck Tony! I will be thinking about you tomorrow and Wednesday.
Very nice to see your name up here again, Cheshire Cat, I'm so glad you're still following this 'complete mystery'. I look forward to more insights from you.

My McKenzie Friend is coming round for dinner in a few moments, all my preparation is done now. Maybe we'll have a glass of wine or two - even the great St. Paul advised one of his followers, Timothy, to have 'a little wine for his stomach', so there's a Biblical precedent.

I just have no way at all of knowing how things will go tomorrow; what I do know is that since Adrienne Page Q.C. came on the scene, she is making a Herculean effort to narrow the issue to: did you promise not to do A & B, have you done A & B, if Yes, you must go to prison.

I have other arguments and facts for the Court.

Goodnight everyone, and I truly bless you all for your wonderful comments once again, they have made me all the more determined to do the best I can for us all, otherwise, it is all down to the judgment of Mr Justice Tugendhat

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 04.02.13 20:51

The very best of luck tomorrow. A Page is NOT the judge so she can behave as she wants, hopefully will get slapped down if she is NOT ensuring everything is fair.
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Post by Ashwarya on 04.02.13 20:58

@Tony Bennett wrote:I just have no way at all of knowing how things will go tomorrow; what I do know is that since Adrienne Page Q.C. came on the scene, she is making a Herculean effort to narrow the issue to: did you promise not to do A & B, have you done A & B, if Yes, you must go to prison.

I have other arguments and facts for the Court.

Goodnight everyone, and I truly bless you all for your wonderful comments once again, they have made me all the more determined to do the best I can for us all, otherwise, it is all down to the judgment of Mr Justice Tugendhat

Tony

Hi Tony, I thought Carter Ruck said they had engaged a QC so that she could assist you as an unrepresented defendant! I would like to see what they do when they are not trying to help someone.

I wish you well for tomorrow and sincerely hope that Judge Tugendhat lives up to his reputation as a fair-minded judge. Your previous encounter with him seemed to bode well in that direction. What absolute evil you seem to be up against - you have shown so much courage and determination to get this far, and the rest of us can only look on in awe and admiration.

God bless you always, Ashwarya.
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Post by petunia on 04.02.13 21:01

glad your with good friends tonight Tony enjoy your meal and wine.lets hope wednesday evening it will be a glass of champagne xx
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Post by ShuBob on 04.02.13 21:01

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Try and get as much rest as you can tonight. You have truth and honesty on your side. That counts for a lot as Chris Huhne and his silk found out today COURT 14 - Mr Justice Tugendhat - 10.30am tomorrow, Tuesday 5 February - Page 4 847771
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Post by stargazer59 on 04.02.13 21:07

Best wishes Tony.

Will be thinking of you tomorrow.

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Post by wjk on 04.02.13 21:15

Sending positive thoughts your way, Tony.

I will be with you in spirit tomorrow xx
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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 21:17

All the best Tony. It seems bizarre that as a British taxpayer you are allowed to pay for our police to investigate a foreign criminal case, but you are not allowed to express an opinion echoing that of the local investigating police force into that same case, despite the fact that this view is available in bookshops all over the rest of Europe. It's a strange world, isn't it?
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Post by Inspectorfrost on 04.02.13 21:24

i posted these two entries on another thread asking if people thought it was unreasonable to suspect something might be afoot, I hope a tiny bit of it helps

Re: Do you agree with what Tony Bennett says about the McCanns?
  Inspectorfrost on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:55 pm

Of course it is reasonable. Why would it be unreasonable to have an informed opinion of suspicion? Built from reading the files, watching a plethora of documentaries and interviews, etc, as mentioned before, perhaps having law enforcement experience oneself (no, not me).Since when was thinking and having suspicions and views a crime? Even the PT police and the Prosecutor have not stated as a fact it was an abduction, unless I missed something. Even the Brit police IIRC have said there is nothing in the files which exonerates either one or both. It also doesn't mean any suspicions are correct in fact but people have the right to hold opinions. This IS a cold case after all.

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Re: Do you agree with what Tony Bennett says about the McCanns?
  Inspectorfrost on Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:42 pm

The lawyers say it is unreasonable to suspect the parents as there are no credible grounds for it. Could they explain the credible grounds for believing in a stranger abduction? And how they are more credible than not believing in one? And how are the lawyers in any position whatsoever to assert that an abduction took place and that includes clarence mitchell and a host of journalists and other commentators when the actual authorities investigating it couldn't do as much? That includes ALL authorities. From where I am sitting, someone correct me if I am wrong, they are blatantly telling people what to think and impeding freedom of speech. Now, I trust the earnest and learned judge can see this.

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Post by McCant on 04.02.13 21:37

Never mind Tony; how are the prosecution going to sleep tonight, with the knowledge that they’ll be ripping in to an old age pensioner tomorrow whom they know stands for justice; something they chose to make careers out of; and that their offence really boils down to the defence of lies and deception. You have to feel sorry for them… god knows what their parents must think.
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Post by Nina on 04.02.13 21:38

All I can now wish for you Tony is a good nights rest, if not sleep then a relaxed state. An early rise and a safe journey with your McKenzie friend to London to be met by those of us who could be there in person. There will be many here on the forum all the day awaiting any snippets of news passed to us during breaks. We shall all be rooting for you Tony, you now know what support and respect is here for you so rest easy you dear brave man. roses

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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 21:51

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Post by nanof nine on 04.02.13 21:55

Dear Mr Bennet . Good luck God Bless for tomorrow

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Post by sombrero on 04.02.13 21:56

Tony has to concentrate on the central argument. Most of us on this forum hold the view that Amaral's account of what happened is either correct or close to correct. However, this case is about CR claims that TB broke the agreement which woud be a contempt of court.

AP has clearly been brought in because she is best person to concentrate the dispute on these grounds. Its a clear legal argument where she has the upper hand. The more the case moves to the events of what happens plays to TB hand because he will understand the facts of the case as much as anyone in England and certainly more than AP.

Good luck Tony. You are one brave person.
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