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by **Tony Bennett** 11.05.11 0:45

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by scotclogs 11.05.11 11:10

Thanks Tony , Well thats good to know Mrs

That wont please DR KATE lol4

by Baronstu 21.05.11 20:39

Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window. Rushing outside, he made the sickening discovery that
it could be raised from this side, too, not just from inside as we’d thought.

Once again I will state, I have had shutters like these, albeit wooden ones, You CANNOT raise them more than a few inches from the outside.

by lj 21.05.11 22:13

I have had them in various houses, indeed it is impossible, it would require for the roll mechanism to be broken.
They are called hurricane curtains where I live now.

by Baronstu 26.05.11 14:54

On 4 May 2007, I became Kate McCann. According to my passport, driving licence and bank account I was Kate Healy. I
hadn’t kept my maiden name for any particular reason – it was just who I was and who I’d always been. But when Madeleine
was taken, the press automatically referred to me as Kate McCann, and Kate McCann I have been ever since. Overnight our
old life had gone and I’d become a different person.

I find this little titbit very interesting.
IF this is true, WHY did she use McCann to sign the creche records every day?

by lj 26.05.11 15:58

Baronstu wrote:On 4 May 2007, I became Kate McCann. According to my passport, driving licence and bank account I was Kate Healy. I
hadn’t kept my maiden name for any particular reason – it was just who I was and who I’d always been. But when Madeleine
was taken, the press automatically referred to me as Kate McCann, and Kate McCann I have been ever since. Overnight our
old life had gone and I’d become a different person.

I find this little titbit very interesting.
IF this is true, WHY did she use McCann to sign the creche records every day?

I think Kate has trouble with names: McCann, Healy, Maddie, Madeleine, Amoral, Amaral.

She should see a doctor for that.

A good one.

by stephen25000 27.05.11 7:32

lj wrote:
Baronstu wrote:On 4 May 2007, I became Kate McCann. According to my passport, driving licence and bank account I was Kate Healy. I
hadn’t kept my maiden name for any particular reason – it was just who I was and who I’d always been. But when Madeleine
was taken, the press automatically referred to me as Kate McCann, and Kate McCann I have been ever since. Overnight our
old life had gone and I’d become a different person.

I find this little titbit very interesting.
IF this is true, WHY did she use McCann to sign the creche records every day?

I think Kate has trouble with names: McCann, Healy, Maddie, Madeleine, Amoral, Amaral.

She should see a doctor for that.

A good one.

I believe Kate has trouble with the truth per se.

In her egocentric view of the world everything has to revolve around her and she can't deal with anything else.

by lj 27.05.11 9:12

stephen25000 wrote:
lj wrote:
Baronstu wrote:On 4 May 2007, I became Kate McCann. According to my passport, driving licence and bank account I was Kate Healy. I
hadn’t kept my maiden name for any particular reason – it was just who I was and who I’d always been. But when Madeleine
was taken, the press automatically referred to me as Kate McCann, and Kate McCann I have been ever since. Overnight our
old life had gone and I’d become a different person.

I find this little titbit very interesting.
IF this is true, WHY did she use McCann to sign the creche records every day?

I think Kate has trouble with names: McCann, Healy, Maddie, Madeleine, Amoral, Amaral.

She should see a doctor for that.

A good one.

I believe Kate has trouble with the truth per se.

In her egocentric view of the world everything has to revolve around her and she can't deal with anything else.

I agree, but Baronstu is right that the signing of the check in-out sheet is very interesting.
Wasn't there also a problem that she signed Madeleine out the 3rd but her book said she found Gerry waiting with the kids in the Tapas bar.

by stephen25000 27.05.11 9:30

lj wrote:
stephen25000 wrote:
lj wrote:
Baronstu wrote:On 4 May 2007, I became Kate McCann. According to my passport, driving licence and bank account I was Kate Healy. I
hadn’t kept my maiden name for any particular reason – it was just who I was and who I’d always been. But when Madeleine
was taken, the press automatically referred to me as Kate McCann, and Kate McCann I have been ever since. Overnight our
old life had gone and I’d become a different person.

I find this little titbit very interesting.
IF this is true, WHY did she use McCann to sign the creche records every day?

I think Kate has trouble with names: McCann, Healy, Maddie, Madeleine, Amoral, Amaral.

She should see a doctor for that.

A good one.

I believe Kate has trouble with the truth per se.

In her egocentric view of the world everything has to revolve around her and she can't deal with anything else.

I agree, but Baronstu is right that the signing of the check in-out sheet is very interesting.
Wasn't there also a problem that she signed Madeleine out the 3rd but her book said she found Gerry waiting with the kids in the Tapas bar.

I agree on that point to. There are far to many inconsistencies in the Mccanns timing, heralding the fact they were concealing the true facts.

Hence the refusal of KM to answer the questions posed by the PJ/

by Guest 27.05.11 17:41

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2539-tony-bennett-s-summary-and-critique-of-kate-s-book

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

by ufercoffy 27.05.11 17:48

That sounds like the moment Madeleine died. And she was there.

by Guest 27.05.11 17:50

ufercoffy wrote:That sounds like the moment Madeleine died. And she was there.

It certainly made me stop and think ufercoffy. Strange words.

by Guest 12.02.12 15:29

candyfloss wrote:https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2539-tony-bennett-s-summary-and-critique-of-kate-s-book

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

So what happened on May 1st?
And why was dreaming about that such a dreadful experience?
And why use the phrase 'please hold on', like you would when someone was letting go of life, or a means of support of some kind, whereas when someone is holding you wrapped in her arms, you would use: don't let go of me, don't let me go, keep your arms around me, hold me tight, etcetera etcetera.

Why:' stay with Mummy' instead of: 'stay with us'?

by **Nina** 12.02.12 15:51

Portia wrote:
candyfloss wrote:https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2539-tony-bennett-s-summary-and-critique-of-kate-s-book

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

So what happened on May 1st?
And why was dreaming about that such a dreadful experience?
And why use the phrase 'please hold on', like you would when someone was letting go of life, or a means of support of some kind, whereas when someone is holding you wrapped in her arms, you would use: don't let go of me, don't let me go, keep your arms around me, hold me tight, etcetera etcetera.

Why:' stay with Mummy' instead of: 'stay with us'?

Imo Kate McCann has experienced that very scene, but not in a dream.

by Guest 12.02.12 21:13

Sat reading the ticker tape for some time.

Left (not for the first time) with a sensation of total disgust at goings-on.

Tony, Pat, Goncalo: their FF-ing money will bring you down, but history will prove you right.

by Angelique 14.02.12 23:49

Portia

I have to agree with you but this is what they intended - they knew there would be a time/backup plan - when the Fund started to dry up they would need a source of income. This is how they intended to feed.

Baronstu

"Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window. Rushing outside, he made the sickening discovery that
it could be raised from this side, too, not just from inside as we’d thought."

The material point is they can't have it both ways - "the shutters jemmied" and "it could be raised from this side too, not just from the inside"

If this was correct then why the jemmied shutters.

by Angelique 14.02.12 23:56

candyfloss wrote:https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2539-tony-bennett-s-summary-and-critique-of-kate-s-book

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

I think she is describing a "real event" too. This "unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal" is truly the exact noise at the moment someone you love passes. I have experienced this - you do howl almost instinctively - I think it is something you cannot control. Kate is describing it exactly.

by Gillyspot 15.02.12 6:57

"erry went off to fetch them. The shop was only about 25 feet away, yet when he called to me asking me to give him a hand with the five ice-creams he was paying for, I was momentarily torn. Would the children be OK on the bench while I nipped over? I hurried across, watching them all the time.
How could I balk at leaving the kids to run a few yards for ice-creams and feel comfortable with the child-checking arrangement we had at dinner?"

You and me both Kate if that is what you really did.

by happychick 15.02.12 7:52

Gillyspot wrote:"erry went off to fetch them. The shop was only about 25 feet away, yet when he called to me asking me to give him a hand with the five ice-creams he was paying for, I was momentarily torn. Would the children be OK on the bench while I nipped over? I hurried across, watching them all the time.

That's an awfully long sentence to say "Would the kids be safe? Bugger it, I'm going anyway."

Nothing's changed has it Kate? Just that you are even more aware of the dangers of leaving your kids alone even though you still do it.

by puzzled 15.02.12 14:49

candyfloss wrote:https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2539-tony-bennett-s-summary-and-critique-of-kate-s-book

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

Actually, what I find disturbing about this is not so much the part in bold as the description of the dream.

by listener 15.02.12 22:48

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

I could well be wrong, but after my1st, 2nd & 3rd reading of that I doubt very much that kind of 'output' (wrong word, I know) could have been penned by her You CAN quote extracts from Dr Kate's book here 172348

You CAN quote extracts from Dr Kate's book here 172348

by graciemacey 22.05.12 22:43

well, I have so far read up to page 254, and the one and only thing (so far!!) that I fully believe KM is telling the truth is on page 156 where she states that she is sure that the Portuguese hate what the british call coffee!!! .. thats the only bit of all the pages I have ploughed through that I actually believe!!! ... oh and last little observation from me, is the name Madeleine was never ever shortened!! ha! gerald is gerry / ger (!!) phil, jack, seany ... so little Madeleine is the only one in her family that gets her full name? .. i don't believe it!!! You CAN quote extracts from Dr Kate's book here 636506

You CAN quote extracts from Dr Kate's book here 636506

by jd 22.05.12 23:16

I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

Sounds to me she is describing after Maddie fell behind the sofa

by **tigger** 23.05.12 6:26

puzzled wrote:
candyfloss wrote:https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2539-tony-bennett-s-summary-and-critique-of-kate-s-book

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

Actually, what I find disturbing about this is not so much the part in bold as the description of the dream.

What strikes me again here - it's Madeleine who has to hold Mummy, not the other way round.I would without fail be dreaming of me holding her safe. The methaphores used betray an average hack as a ghost writer. Boot in the stomach, chest pain, being strangled and howling
I've bolded the overuse of methaphors and the disconnected words used - too much of a good thing seismic or unearthly, not both. Etc. less is more Kate.
I find this very unconvincing - it's all about Kate again isn't it?
O yes, and with the endorphin we get her scientific mind as well - just so we know she's a doctor.

by uppatoffee 23.05.12 6:54

jd wrote:
I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

Sounds to me she is describing after Maddie fell behind the sofa

Totally agree Jd. Sounds like an accident has occurred and she is willing Madeleine to cling on to life, feeling hopeless that, despite being a doctor that she can do nothing to save her.

by russiandoll 23.05.12 10:43

Can't bring myself to read the book again, I wonder did the linguistically bizarre epsiode re- presumably Mrs Fenn get a rewrite?
When Kate complained about the plummy voiced lady not reacting appropriately to being told Madeleine was missing.
Kate said that the lady reacted as if she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a shelf rather than a child had been stolen.

I commented on forensic linguisics about the strangeness of this analogy...the change of verb from stolen to fallen.
Why not the automatic one to use,the same verb, to portray her anger that the woman reacted as if a material thing rather than a child [much more valuable and so much more distressin], had been taken
as if she had been told my passport / necklace/ purse/wallet/had been stolen.

why a can of beans falling from a shelf?
seems the word fall is very important.

by russiandoll 16.09.12 16:57

I cannot get over the immature and petulant tone of the following about G Amaral. I have no problem with her contemptuous attitude, I understand it. Under the circumstances, I would have expected a bit of mature passion from Kate, rather than a tone taken more akin to that of a child whose doll had been broken by a friend. I should not have been surprised really considering her tedious complaints about smoking detectives in t shirts.,

"That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."
What exactly is it he should be afraid of I wonder.

by **PeterMac** 16.09.12 17:09

Didn't she forgive the "Abductor" ?

by Guest 16.09.12 18:19

Angelique wrote:
candyfloss wrote:https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2539-tony-bennett-s-summary-and-critique-of-kate-s-book

From Chapter 15 - Summary and Critique - Tony Bennett

Dr Kate: “On the night of 1 September I dreamed about Madeleine for the first time on four months…it was such a dreadful experience…Although I was dreaming, I could feel her. It was as if parts of my body that had been hibernating for months suddenly began to stir. I could sense the cold, dark days lifting as I luxuriated in warmth and light. And Madeleine was holding me, her little arms wrapped tightly round me, and it felt so good, I could smell her, I could feel her with every one of my senses as I soaked up this heavenly moment. My Madeleine. I wanted to stay like this for ever. And then I woke up. Ice began to course through my body, driving out every endorphin and remnant of warmth. I didn’t understand. What was happening? How could this be? I could still feel her! A heavy boot connected with my stomach and the ache in my chest was worse than I’d known it. I was struggling for breath, almost as if I were being strangled. Please God, don’t let her go! Stay with me, Madeleine. Please stay with me. Don’t go - stay with Mummy. Please, sweetheart, hold on. I love you so much. I started to cry. The crying built into seismic sobs. An unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal, was coming out of my mouth. The crushing pain in my chest intensified to the point where I thought I was going to die. I’d been with her. And then she was gone. Again”.

I think she is describing a "real event" too. This "unearthly sound, like the howl of a wounded animal" is truly the exact noise at the moment someone you love passes. I have experienced this - you do howl almost instinctively - I think it is something you cannot control. Kate is describing it exactly.

Same here. I didn't recognise the sound I made when my cat was run over.