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Post by HiDeHo 01.08.18 14:59

DISCREPANCY/QUESTION [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Did Gerry STOP UK REPORTING testimony of Tavares/Paiva/Flores?


On Jan 12th 2010, Ricardo Paiva and Tavares gave testimony.  The following day there were approx 50 articles in the newspapers including Maddie Died in apartment...

Gerry left court early that day and claimed to return to UK for work commitments...

Within a couple of days there were NO MORE NEGATIVE articles or about the court hearing 


Did Gerry return to UK to STOP the media reports? 


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The following day there were approx 50 NEWSPAPER articles ...


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JAN 13th 2010 Approx 50 articles about hearing and  Maddie dead in apartment..

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JAN 16th - 19th 2010 Within a couple of days of his return to UK NO negative articles about the McCanns

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DISCREPANCY/QUESTION [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Did the McCanns know Mari Olli who still claims to have seen Maddie in Morocco?

Mari Olli married to Ray Pollard born and bred in Rothley


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Post by Phoebe 02.08.18 19:04

I don't know if there is a direct link between Mari Pollard's husband, Ray, and Gerry McCann or any of the other T9, but there is a Cristina Pollard at Leicester Hospital -  Perhaps she is related to Ray and Mari or it could be just another coincidence!

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Post by Verdi 02.08.18 21:14

There's a Sue Pollard here 'n all..



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Post by Verdi 03.08.18 23:32

Miss Biddy Brett-Rooks, the consul general for Casablanca, was there to meet us when we landed. She looked and sounded exactly as I’d imagined from her name: very sweet and very English. We went first to a hotel where we had arranged to meet an ITN crew from the UK. They wanted to show us an interview they’d recorded with a Norwegian lady called Mari Olli.

We’d heard about Mari Olli only two days earlier. On 9 May, she’d seen a little girl who looked like Madeleine at a petrol station on the outskirts of Marrakesh. While her husband filled up the tank, Mari had gone into the garage shop to buy some water. She’d noticed a man there hanging around with a blonde child of around four, who looked pale and tired. Mari heard her ask the man in English, ‘Can we see Mummy soon?’ to which he replied, ‘Soon.’ It wasn’t until Mari and her husband were back at their home on the Costa del Sol the next evening that they learned of Madeleine’s abduction.

In ITN’s interview, Mari stated that as soon as she saw Madeleine’s photograph, she recognized her as the girl she’d seen in Marrakesh and rang the Spanish police straight away. Gerry and I watched the footage with heavy hearts. Not only was it upsetting, it was also deeply concerning. From what we could infer, this lead simply hadn’t been adequately followed up. Indeed, a month later, Mari still hadn’t been formally interviewed. It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.

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I doubt there is a personal connection between this witness and the McCanns back at Rothley, it's a tall order expecting a friend or acquaintance to concoct a fabricated story about a missing three year old child. 

I do however think there is a strong possibility that this witness was planted by a source close to the family, i.e. Kennedy the double glazier who had a team on stand-by in Morocco in the name of Metodo3 - being the most obvious destination for a potential child abductor, so say they, along with Brussels, Germany, the Netherlands etc.  Damn cheek of it, accuse a country of harbouring their stolen child and then expect cooperation and hospitality?

Humbug!

The European/North African tour de force was nothing but a public relations exercise, there was nothing else to be gained.

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Post by HiDeHo 05.08.18 20:49

@Paulo Reis posted on this topic a few times on his blog.

Here is a page of some of his articles on the subject.

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Hello,

I am thankful for your work and efforts to clear the Madeleine case. But can you please remove my picture (Mari Olli)  immediately! I have informed the press that I regret, the use of my picture, because the whole case is traumatic enough for me to handle.
My highest wish is that we can get a answer about what happened and a clarify. Please remove the A1 security web and the information about Rays brother Tony Pollard, because this has nothing to do with the case. A1 security has nothing to do with the case and they are not base in Alhurin the Grande. Please confirm when this is done.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]About the “order” you “gave” me, demanding the immediate removal of the picture of Mrs. Mary Olli from my blog, my answer is short and clear: No!
I will correct the reference to A1 Security, because you said that company is not based in Alhurin Grande. You think this information “has nothing to do with the case” of Madeleine McCann disappearance. That’s your opinion. I think this detail is worth mentioning. And I am the Editor of my blog.
Anything else, please pay attention to the fact that none of you is a judge or sit in a Court, so any “orders” or demands made in such a way as you did, are completely worthless for me. If you want to “upgrade” your demands and send it through a Court, please be advised to get a lawyer with a good command of Portuguese and Chinese language.
I am a permanent resident of Macau Special Administrative Region, in China. So, only the local courts have the legal power to give me “orders” similar to the one you emailed me. And Chinese and Portuguese are the official languages of Macau.
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Post by Verdi 05.08.18 22:11

The multi-faceted coverage of this case was/is unprecedented on every level - reason enough to suspect an establishment cover-up in my view.  It goes way beyond empathy, entering into the realms of a sinister backcloth of mystery and intrigue.

The European tour for example is just not normal, it was an orchestrated public relations exercise designed to hoodwink the populace.  Under normal circumstances, the UK's diplomatic corps do not get involved with a foreign police investigation or personally involved with the victims/suspects of an incident such as the disappearance of a British child holidaying abroad - it just doesn't happen.  The local or nearest consulate are there to provide routine assistance in a case such as this, it most certainly does not fall within the remit of an Ambassador to get closely involved - even less to interfere with a police investigation in any way shape or form - it just doesn't happen.  I would go so far as to say it's borderline illegal.

Without some evidence to back-up the European tour itinerary, I have my doubts that it happened as reported by the UK media - with the exception of the visit to the Vatican that shows photographic evidence of the presence of the McCanns before his Paypalness.

Who's to say that any of the countries they visited they were received by diplomatic envoys and ministerial representatives of the highest order?  The only reportage is the media, there is no evidence that any of this was a reality.  Press conferences, photo shoots etc all there for the naked eye but what other evidence is there?

If anyone can prove me wrong by providing evidence that the McCanns received the reception during their European/North African tour as reported by the UK press please do - put me out of my misery.  As it stands, I don't believe a word of it.

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Post by HiDeHo 07.08.18 15:01

DISCREPANCY [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] McCanns paid HALF a MILLION to Lord Bell and £30,000 to Hanover PR for REPUTATION MANAGEMENT?

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HOW DID BELL POTTINGER ASSIST THE McCANNS?

We know that the McCanns paid Lord Bell of BELL POTTINGER £500,000  to keep on front pages of newspapers for a year and that Alex Wolfall was in PDL on May 5th 2007 to assist the McCanns including downloading their photos.

Was the payment ONLY to put  them on front pages?

'Lord Bell, founder of Bell Pottinger quoted in a book written by Owen Jones. He is commenting on the 'Hacked Off' campaign, and he says he doesn't care what the McCanns think. 'They paid me £500,000 to keep them on the front page of every newspaper for one year and that's what we did'.
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Bell Pottinger secretly filmed boasting of political access and doing PR for despotic regimes

One of Britain's largest lobbying companies has been secretly recorded boasting about its access to the heart of Government and how it uses 'dark arts' to bury bad coverage and influence public opinion.

An undercover investigation by the Bureau, published in the Independent today, has taped senior executives at Bell Pottinger:

* Claiming they have used their access to Downing Street to persuade David Cameron to speak to the Chinese premier on behalf of one of their business clients, within 24 hours of asking him to do so.

* Boasting about Bell Pottinger's access to the Foreign Secretary William Hague, to Mr Cameron's chief of staff Ed Llewellyn and to Mr Cameron's old friend and closest No 10 adviser Steve Hilton;

* Suggesting the company could manipulate Google results to 'drown out' negative coverage of human rights violations and child labour;

* Revealing that Bell Pottinger has a team which 'sorts' negative Wikipedia coverage of clients;

* Saying it was possible to use MPs known to be critical of investigative programmes to attack their reporting for minor errors.

Reporters from the Bureau posed as agents for the government of Uzbekistan -- a brutal dictatorship responsible for killings, human rights violations and child labour -- and representatives of its cotton industry in a bid to discover what promises British lobbying and public relations firms were prepared to make when pitching to clients; what techniques they use; and and how much of their work is open to public scrutiny.



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Post by Verdi 07.08.18 21:30

Is this 'discrepency' thread of yours intended for information only or a food for thought initiative or are you looking for members to help develop your extensive research and resultant provocative inference?

If the latter, or even a combination of all three, why don't you start a project in the Virtual Classroom

I get the vibes that quite a few members, old and new, would welcome the opportunity to assist with development of your work.  I genuinely believe you would attract more willing participants if your project was separated from the main forum where it is so easily buried by other subject matter.  Of course members have their lives to lead, so time is perhaps an issue but if you isolate your project then more members would be able to contribute as and when they have the time.

Give it some consideration.  It seems such a travesty to waste your Virtual Classroom when it could be put to good productive use. 

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Verdi wrote:Is this 'discrepency' thread of yours intended for information only or a food for thought initiative or are you looking for members to help develop your extensive research and resultant provocative inference?

If the latter, or even a combination of all three, why don't you start a project in the Virtual Classroom

I get the vibes that quite a few members, old and new, would welcome the opportunity to assist with development of your work.  I genuinely believe you would attract more willing participants if your project was separated from the main forum where it is so easily buried by other subject matter.  Of course members have their lives to lead, so time is perhaps an issue but if you isolate your project then more members would be able to contribute as and when they have the time.

Give it some consideration.  It seems such a travesty to waste your Virtual Classroom when it could be put to good productive use. 

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Input is always welcome and I am usually assured of getting some from you, Verdi, winkwink

The discrepancy thread was intended mostly for reference with the ability for members to ask for further info or links.

To help understand my threads/postings, I should maybe, explain my 'role' in this forum/case.

I have done everything possible to save as much information as possible in this case, for various reasons, but mostly to assist in ensuring that my posts are as accurate as possible.

It has been of prime importance to me that all my videos  and graphics are as 'fact' (and file) based as possible, and I have gone to extreme lengths to check, double check, triple check them...over and over again as once they are uploaded I can't change them.  In over 300 videos I am pleased that I have discovered very few errors and mostly not of any great importance.

From the moment the files were released I wanted to 'understand' the week as much as possible, who was who, who worked where and when and hat was claimed compared to the rest of the main witnesses.

I compiled hundreds of threads and timelines and timetables in my Research forum (Aimoo) from 2008 - 2011 and then used all that info in my new effort of videos for the next 2 years (over 300)

Once the 'week' was retained in my brain it became clear where the discrepancies were.... and my 'logic' told me that if nothing happened until Thursday night, then there should only have been a few memory issues.

For many years I have referred to 'discrepancies' but after 11 years, I'm not sure that most people could list more than a few.

Hence this thread...

You mention the Virtual thread, but that is restricted and so far I have had no real offers.  I spent 4 dedicated years compiling and though I wasn't able to finish my project,  I doubt there is anyone with the time and patience to continue.  I certainly would LOVE to get some help as I know there is a lot I missed, but its above what I would expect from most people.

Regarding the placement of this thread....I have CHOSEN to have it on 'Latest News'  for many reasons

LATEST NEWS is, has always been and will continue to be my 'go to' page.

I can see at a glance if there is any latest news but more importantly, it allows me to see the 'history' of each thread... Whether its new, how popular it has been, who originated the thread and whether the last post is new or possibly a bump of the thread.

The sub title often gives more info on the thread.

The scrolling thread list in the right hand side is great, but it doesn't give me the info I like to see when choosing a thread to read.  I don't think I am the only member that feels that way, but regardless, it is for that reason that I chose to place this thread in this position.

I don't feel it is hidden away anywhere as judging by the views (which I have been keeping an eye on) its getting at least a few hundred views a day and often double that.  (9700 views for 14 Discrepancies = Approx 700 views each, and for 30 days it works out to approx 300 views a day)

I am more than happy to know that this thread is getting those views (usually immediately after I post the next #)...so now worries from me about it being hidden, especially while it is fairly quiet. (Unless you can give view figures for other threads on another page that are getting far better views?)

Don't get me wrong, its not about the views to 'achieve' for me, its about how many people have interest and hopefully have left this thread with maybe some knowledge they didn't have before.

Regarding the content, a couple of weeks ago I was devastated to find that I had maybe LOST both my research and Ref forum with no hope of it being available anymore.  11 years of research...gone...

An Aimoo 'mod' was able to plead with a little man in China and he finally got them back online, but none of the links work.  Aimoo has moved (hence my forums disappeared) but I was so relieved to have them back that I am patiently waiting to give them time to fix the issues they have before I start complaining about the links...

HENCE I have not been able to do the DISCREPANCIES I planned but felt that my posts DO fall under 'discrepancies' of a sort and will continue to post what I can.  If I see the views dwindle then I know that they are not of any interest and will close the thread.  For now I am happy with the viewing response.

YES...lol I know I ramble a lot but it IS important to me that I explain myself, whether it is read or not :)

I hope I have answered your concerns Verdi (as time consuming as it is..)  laughat
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HiDeHo wrote:I hope I have answered your concerns Verdi (as time consuming as it is..) laughat

No, not really. It was the subject matter, i.e. your research, I was addressing - not you personally. Had it been about you I would have taken it to PM.

The 'Most Recent Topics' scroll widget is there for a purpose and very effective it is - it highlights every new post so readers can immediately see all the latest posts in one easily accessible location, without the need to navigate the forum. There is also the forum portal 'Madeleine McCann Archive' which likewise shows all the latest posts. Anyone who takes an interest in a specific subject can easily locate on CMoMM - it has so many tools to assist members and guest readers alike. It's very unlikely something will be missed unless it's of no particular interest to the majority readers.

Still, that's all beside the point. I was thinking if you are looking for members to help develop your research, as you have said in the past, an ideal place to start is the Virtual Classroom. There, you can have as many pupils as you like to help, as and when you can then update your research on the open forum for information, otherwise your hard work is here today gone tomorrow - so to speak. In the Virtual Classroom you can keep your project active for as long as it takes and it will remain there as a reference source.

As I said, rather than the odd member commenting on your running projects which are so easily lost or forgotten (the comments that is, not your research:), you can have a whole classroom to keep any one topic active for as long as you like. Of course you have to ask folk if they will join your class, how else will they know?

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HiDeHo wrote:I hope I have answered your concerns Verdi (as time consuming as it is..)  laughat

No, not really.  It was the subject matter, i.e. your research, I was addressing - not you personally.  Had it been about you I would have taken it to PM.

The 'Most Recent Topics' scroll widget is there for a purpose and very effective it is - it highlights every new post so readers can immediately see all the latest posts in one easily accessible location, without the need to navigate the forum.  There is also the forum portal 'Madeleine McCann Archive' which likewise shows all the latest posts.  Anyone who takes an interest in a specific subject can easily locate on CMoMM - it has so many tools to assist members and guest readers alike.  It's very unlikely something will be missed unless it's of no particular interest to the majority readers.

Still, that's all beside the point.  I was thinking if you are looking for members to help develop your research, as you have said in the past, an ideal place to start is the Virtual Classroom.  There, you can have as many pupils as you like to help, as and when you can then update your research on the open forum for information, otherwise your hard work is here today gone tomorrow - so to speak.  In the Virtual Classroom you can keep your project active for as long as it takes and it will remain there as a reference source.  

As I said, rather than the odd member commenting on your running projects which are so easily lost or forgotten (the comments that is, not your research:), you can have a whole classroom to keep any one topic active for as long as you like.  Of course you have to ask folk if they will join your class, how else will they know?

Just a suggestion that could be of benefit to you and the forum.



Firstly, I didn't take any of your comments to be against me personally :)

I have said time and time again that you do a great job with this forum, and Jill does a great job with presenting the forum with all the topics.

What I was attempting to point out is that, for me personally, I have always preferred to pop in to CMoMM via the Latest News page, and thats why I prefer to use the LN page to post my threads.

Everyone has a different experience and certainly using a phone gives a VERY different experience when navigating the forum, but for those like myself, using a computer, THIS is what I prefer to view when I pop in.  It is the page I have bookmarked and where I hope to see any new info, as well as active topics.

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The scrolling recent topics is a  great addition, but my preference is to view the 'history' of each topic (if I havent already viewed the topic)


Scrolling recent topics 'history':



I would love to see all active  recent topics on one page (ie Latest News) and then filed away to the appropriate topic category when no longer any activity, and the scrolling topics continuing to  highlight all bumped threads as well.

I am not sure that many people realise how many categories there are in CMoMM :) More than 60!

As I have explained this is MY choice to have my threads in LN and when they are no longer active moved to the appropriate category.

Regarding the Virtual Classroom, I havent yet been contacted by anyone that has the time of motivation to study, and currently my forums are not easily accessible and I am having trouble with my posts because of that.

I just want everyone to know that my 'role' is to help provide info needed for everyone to see the details, gain the knowledge and decide for themselves.


I have about 300 or more graphics, more than 300 videos mostly based on the files and a computer that I have to move out of because of too much info saved...I can usually provide any info needed regarding the files.

VIDEOS - 5,262 files

PICTURES - 116,792 files
DOWNLOADS  - 7,284 files
DOCUMENTS - 80,024 files




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My threads are generally about INFORMATION and REFERENCE info with the ability to discuss and ask questions and seek links

My hope is that maybe one person at a time the UK public will learn the truth from the files.




Regardless of my personal preference in how I view the forum I can't thank Jill enough for the great job she does and Verdi, you are always on top of things in helping to keep the forum active.  Thank you  roses



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Post by Ladyinred 08.08.18 18:50

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] A gracious response, as usual.

Thank you, too, for your work that you kindly bring to the forum.  I don't want to see it separated or isolated in any way.
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Post by Jill Havern 08.08.18 20:15

HiDeHo wrote:I would love to see all active  recent topics on one page (ie Latest News) and then filed away to the appropriate topic category when no longer any activity, and the scrolling topics continuing to  highlight all bumped threads as well.

I am not sure that many people realise how many categories there are in CMoMM :) More than 60!

As I have explained this is MY choice to have my threads in LN and when they are no longer active moved to the appropriate category.
Hmmmm, nice idea Lizzy...but I don't think it's going to be feasible to put everything in one category until the topics are no longer active because, for example, it's only the 8th day of August and already there are more than 50 topics on the go so if they were put in one category (which only allows 45 topics per page) they would quickly be lost on to the next page so wouldn't be seen anyway, except via the 'Most Recent Topics' widget which I put there for precisely that reason, or people scroll back through the pages.

What I could do, however, is to create yet another new section called 'CMOMM lastest news' (placed underneath McCann Latest News) and ask everyone to post non-McCann related topics in there until they're inactive and can be filed into their proper place.

Or you could try scrolling down the 'Most recent topics' widget (which hosts 99 recent topics dating back to mid-July) to find all new topics - it's impossible to miss anything new with the widget.

I appreciate it's a different experience for those on iPhones but according to the checks I can make in the admin panel the forum is mobile friendly. I haven't got an iPhone so cannot verify that.

As always I am open to suggestions to improve the usability of the forum for everyone.

Sorry for taking your thread off-topic Lizzy, but if anyone has suggestions, or would like to tell me of any difficulties you may experience with the forum, please open a thread in the Technical section or send me a pm. thumbsup

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Post by Ladyinred 04.10.18 19:54

I've noticed that [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hasn't been here for a while.  Hope all is well with her.
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Post by Jill Havern 04.10.18 20:36

She's been having some health issues Ladyinred, aswell as some personal things to deal with.

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Thanks, Jill.  Good wishes to HideHo.
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Post by roz 04.10.18 21:23

I wish to send good wishes also to HiDeHo.
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Post by sandancer 04.10.18 21:38

To Lizzy Hi DeHo , your input and presence is greatly appreciated , and missed .

I hope your problems whatever they are , are swiftly resolved . 

Peace , blessings and light to you and your loved ones .

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Best wishes to HiDeHo for a speedy return to good health and to the forum   flowers
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