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Post by Verdi on 14.06.18 2:09

@Mark Willis wrote:When Maddie went missing, suddenly this living breathing corporeal child became an item, an it, a good marketing ploy, who was only "almost" perfect when born. The temperature drops to freezing when Kate speaks of "the child" and Gerry equates Maddie with overdrafts and good quality wrist bands. I am going out on a limb here but I have always thought that, although Kate is no doubt the Mother, that Gerry was not, irrespective of documents (easily altered) that say he is the Father. Given Uncle John's unseemly haste to jack his job in I thought he might be the Father by er...proxy. (All donations gratefully received!).
Then I thought that the twins really were the love children of K and G and why Maddie appeared not to be as loved as they appear to be. Stranger things happen at sea.

So who was infertile - was it he or was it she?

Simple answer to that simple question is - we just don't know.  Logical assumption from recorded notes dictates it was Kate McCann who couldn't reproduce, why else would Gerald's 'donation' be accepted during the IVF process?  Sporty athletic alpha-male Gerald couldn't possibly be at fault - or could he?

Madeleine was born following a  rigorous regime of IVF treatment undertaken by consultant specialists in the UK.  Husband Gerald was seconded for one year to Amsterdam in January 2004, when Madeleine was but seven months old. on a research project, during which time the couple embarked on another course of IVF to enlarge their family.  Kate McCann responded to the treatment with little problem, so in that short sojourn in Amsterdam, the McCann couple soon became a family of five as Kate McCann gave birth to twins.  Unlike the grueling  procedure experienced in the UK.
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As special as Madeleine was to us, and as fortunate as we felt to have her, both Gerry and I were keen to expand our family. Given our fertility problems, this was going to mean another attempt at IVF. We had no way of knowing if it was likely to work again and, even if it did, how long it might take. As a first step, in the spring I went along to see a GP. Not being Dutch citizens, we weren’t sure if we would be entitled to any treatment at all, so we were surprised and delighted when, just a month later, we had an appointment with a specialist and within only six more weeks we found ourselves starting another cycle of IVF in Amsterdam.

For the most part, everything was far easier psychologically this time round. Much as I wanted another baby, Madeleine had lifted me from the despair of childlessness, thank God, and I was now able to approach the IVF a little more philosophically. If it succeeded, brilliant; if it didn’t, then we only needed to look at what we had already to be content. It was a weird period emotionally, though. I couldn’t help feeling a little guilty, as if we were somehow overlooking Madeleine, not focusing on her 100 per cent, in our haste to move on to ‘the next one’. I loved her so much but I also knew that a little brother or sister would enhance her life, too.

The treatment cycle did the trick and I was pregnant again. We were overjoyed. This time, however, the scan revealed two little beating hearts. Twins. Wow!


madeleine by KATE MCCANN

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The immaculate conception?

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Post by Imari on 14.06.18 10:28

Now this is fascinating because there is a sadness about Madeleine which could be associated (as with any older child) with arrival of wonder baby/ies who seem to supplant them in the parents' affection. 
I looked for a long time at the age progression pix, and could not see Gerry in his young Gerry pic, but rather the uncle, John whose face matches much more closely. I tried flipping horizontally and it then seems even clearer that the pic given to the age progressors is one of John, of course I cannot be certain. However why would this be done? The only reasons could be that John is the 'real' father and the hunt for Madeleine is genuine (had she been known to be dead, surely they would not worry that it should look exact) or that Madeleine had been transplanted into another family and they didn't want her found. 
Can one imagine a scenario where Kate, desperate to conceive and not getting there, might ask Gerry's brother to step in, thus preserving the family DNA? Could this be why the only time Kate gets really, clearly upset is in an interview when Gerry says that Madeleine is the product of their union, a "mixture of us"? 
Maybe he didn't know. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNt4mV5csi4
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Post by Verdi on 14.06.18 14:02

Hello Imari and  welcome to the forum, pleased to have you here.

DNA is an important factor here.

Initially, when the PJ investigation kicked-off, a clean reference sample of Madeleine's DNA was required by the investigation to eliminate evidence of who should and who shouldn't have been at the crime scene before the arrival of the police - routine policing.  The DNA reference sample wasn't required as some might think, to identify Madeleine as there was no corpse or remains of a corpse to compare.

Later in the investigation the case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, required a clean sample of Madeleine's DNA to confirm parentage - this is were it starts to look dodgy.

On 21st May 2007, Gerry McCann took lightening trip back to the UK, ostensibly to attend to matters of a personal nature and official business relating to the campaign.  On his return to Portugal he was weighted by pictures of Madeleine (to be dealt with on another thread) and other paraphenalia. including a pillowcase collected from the Rothley home and said to be used by Madeleine alone - therefore uncontaminated.  I'm not aware of a trail of evidence for this pillowcase, i.e. was it collected and packaged under the controlled conditions dictated by normal police protocol, or did Gerry McCann just stuff it in his holdall?

Whatever, the PJ investigation were satisfied, by forensic examination of the pillowcase, that Gerry and Kate McCann were the biological parents of Madeleine McCann.  The DNA sample was also compared to twin Amelie, so no apparent confusion there.  The journey of the pillowcase and the reason for it's appearance has always intrigued me - I choose not to get too involved with maters of forensic analysis, it not being a subject I'm qualified to discuss.  It would appear to be the primary reason for Gerry McCann's visit to the UK, in addition to collecting excess baggage in the form of a media monitoring director - but that's yet another story.

This is a point that  has been discussed extensively over the years and will no doubt continue to be, all the time there are pseudo experts out there who try to deflect from the core evidence.  I've yet to be convinced that the mysterious pillowcase, the item that seems to be the overriding factor to ensure innocence, was so innocent.
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Date: 28.08.2007

Letter to Dr. Gonçalo Amaral from the PT Genetic & Biological Forensic Service

I attach a response to your questions.

Warmest compliments,
Director of the Genetic & Biological Forensic Service,
Dr. Rosa Maria Espinheira


RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS

- None of the samples received by this institute were designated as relating to the missing child, so an answer to your question cannot be provided.

- Samples were investigated - hairs and cloth, and DNA profiles were obtained in only four cases and when compared with the DNA of Gerald and Kate McCann it was found that they cannot be related to the child.

- The traces were then studied for mitochondrial DNA as were all the references with results in accordance with our conclusions in the report dated July 9, 2007 - Proc 2007/000226/LX-BC.

- Regarding your request no. 5, determine if the 'profile' obtained by the British laboratory may pertain to a child of the McCann couple.

- We carried out a profile comparison obtained from the autosomal STRs of Kate McCann and Gerald McCann and of the profile sent us.

- The probability of the McCann couple being the biological parents of the female individual in that test is 99,9828 %.

Lisbon, 20th August, 2007

The Director of the Genetic & Biological Forensic Service

Dr. Rosa Maria Espinheira



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm

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Post by Imari Today at 6:18

Thank you, Verdi
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