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Was Maddie ALIVE on Thursday? So many discrepancies - were they trying to hide something?

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Was Maddie ALIVE on Thursday? So many discrepancies - were they trying to hide something?

Post by HiDeHo on 25.03.18 6:16

There are many claims that nothing happened to Madeleine until Thursday evening.  

Mr Amaral clams she was at the creche until Thursday 5.30pm, but he was not privy to the last 9 months of the investigation and would only be able to comment on the witness statements  as they appear, without questioning their validity (in public).  He was also not privy to the rogatory statements.

He was likely restricted to only comment on the investigation as it stood on October 2nd 2007 at which time he was removed to Faro.

Suggestions that I do not support Mr Amaral are totally unfounded and ridiculous. I realise the strong possibility that he was restricted in what he could discuss publicly (no discrediting witnesses) and the following nine months of investigation.

One example is that, as I recall, he did not initially consider the (denied) text messages (Wednesday morning starting at 8am) as important except the identity.

As we know, these text messages became important enough later in the investigation that they were taken to 'supreme' court just prior to the shelving to get some information on them.  They started Wednesday morning... WHY? (Had something happened by then?)

I have always FULLY supported Goncalo Amaral and have compiled and added translations to 25 of his videos.  

Sadly he was taken off the case before he had the opportunity to complete his investigations.  Who knows what he would have discovered in the following 9 months!

I'm sure the following discrepancies would have been of interest to him if he had the information.




PLEASE NOTE:  I urge everyone to confirm the info before using it anywhere else, as although I am confident, most of it is from memory and there is always the chance of a slight error.



Here are SOME of the discrepancies and timeline for THURSDAY MORNING only!  Would all these contradictions have occurred if it was still a normal holiday and nothing had happened to Maddie?

I dont believe so


View the ENTIRE timetable for Thursday here and please dont hesitate to bring any discrepancies to my attention as often I copy/paste the statements without comparing to other statements): 

Title: THURSDAY Timetables for COMPARISON
 http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy/WELCOME-to-HDH-Controversy-Info/THURSDAY-Timetables-for-COMPARISON-1-2404921.html







Gerry and Kate woke at 7.30 - 8.00am, washed the children and had breakfast between 8.00 and 8.30.  The food had been previously bought by them both at Baptiste supermarket.

During breakfast, Madeleine asked Kate why she had not gone into her room when the twins were crying,(Kate told Fiona that Madeleine asked her why when Madeleine and Sean were crying) 
however, Gerry claims Madeleine asked HIM why he hadnt gone in when the twins were crying (but 6 days later he changed it to Madeleine asking Kate why she didnt go in when Madeleine and Sean were crying )- 

During breakfast. "She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine’s pijama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry."

According to Kate, "After breakfast they got dressed and left the apartment by the main door
. All children went walking. The verandah door was closed and locked; she doesn’t know whether the main door was locked or unlocked."

Gerry describes differently, "after breakfast, about 09h00, KATE and the children left by the rear door, he having left by the front door, which he locked with the key, having also closed and locked the rear door from the inside."

Matthew, Rachael and G***e  went to the Millennium Restaurant for breakfast, as they did each morning.  There wasn’t anybody else there, they had breakfast on their own. There were people at the other tables but it was fairly quiet, and none of the other group were there initially. They were always fairly early because G***e was always awake earliest, always by half six or six o’clock and she’d be sort of sparky and awake and wanting to get up and so they'd sort of trudge on and they might even be banging on the doors waiting for them to open up, they'd be fairly early to breakfast.

Rachael, however said they were all (except the McCanns who had their breakfast in the apartment)  at breakfast. (maybe she forgot that Dianne didn't go to breakfast when she had tennis).  

Jane Tanner was up late and didn't go to breakfast but Russell took E**a and E**e and met Matthew Oldfield as he was leaving.  

Matthew didn't want to take G***e to the Nursery as she was a bit upset so Rachael volunteered to do it.

Rachael also claimed that Madeleine and the twins went to the club that morning.

After dropping G***e off at the club, Rachael returned to their apartment to get ready for tennis.

Russell, E**e, E**a and Matthew went back in to the Millenium.


After breakfast, Kate and Gerry took the twins to the creche, although there is no record on the creche records of the twins being there that morning, and Kate presumed that Gerry took Madeleine to the creche.

"Gerry said They made their way on foot by the usual route to the crèche next to the TAPAS where they left the twins, and, while KATE stayed to play tennis he took MADELEINE to her crèche, through the short-cut, where they arrived at 09h15, and , since it was obligatory, he signed the child's attendance register. 

The records show that Gerry dropped Madeleine off at 9.10 and Catriona Baker recalls seeing him around 9.15.

Once the children had been delivered, they went to the tennis courts for a scheduled tennis lesson. Kate’s group lesson was at 9:15, Gerry’s an hour later. Kate didn't know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment.

On returning, not by the short-cut, Gerry went to the supermarket where he bought milk, he presumes, making his way to his apartment, entering by the front door, that was locked by key, when it was 09H40/09H45.

He remained at home for about 15 minutes, dressing in tennis clothes, left by the front door, that he did not lock, and made his way to the tennis courts by the usual route, they being next to the TAPAS.

Kate met Rachael, Jane and Dianne at the courts at 9.10am

Rachael claimed that Russel went to the beach with Matthew and Fiona and Dave were also down there, David says they took the dinghys out, but Matthew claimed that  when the left the Millenium, Russell went on and he turned left and went down to the beach and went sailing for that morning.

Meanwhile  as Russell's daughter E**e was feeling ill, he dropped E**a (his other daughter!) at the Kids Club at around 10am (9.50 according to records) after breakfast. 
He completely corroborates his partner Jane Tanner's statements for the rest of the day.

ROB Went to the flat with E**e whiles she was resting he went outside to watch Jane play tennis. He went to the flat with E**e he thinks she had a snooze that morning,  and he read a book and played with her and then, at some stage,  when Jane had finished playing tennis, he then went out with E** play tennis.

According to Gerry, when Kate had finished playing tennis  at 10:15, she went to the recreation area next to the swimming pool to talk to Russell until Gerry’s lesson was over.
 

Jez arrived for tennis with Gerry and noted that the two females of his group (Rachael and Jane?) were not there,  (where were they?)  just one that he did not know the name of (Dianne?).

He had met Rachael and Jane (and Mathew an Russell) on the plane.

On the second court between 9 and 10 another person REAP was playing.

While Gerry and Jez were playing, at 10.30 there was the Minis for tennis.  This was not Madeleine's group. It was the group with Bridget O'Donnell and Jez Wilkins' girl that was playing.

Bridget claimed all the girls were pink and pretty.


At the same time (10.30am) Madeleine was being taken on the speedboat by Catriona and telling her she was scared.

Catriona recalls seeing friends of Kate and Gerrys David and Jane (meaning Fiona?)

Russell remembers that  after Jane’s tennis lesson   ‘ one of the guests ,a  man from Southampton came up , ‘ his three year old daughter, was having a kid’s tennis lesson.

He felt it was important, particularly, because of what the man said, if Madeleine was potentially being photographed by anyone, it was absolutely clear that Madeleine and E**a were not there that day.

And present at that conversation were Russell, Jane, Kate and Rachael, 

There were a couple of people who were, who Kate and Rachael and Jane had played with, I, I forget the names. I’ve got this vague recollection there was a lady who, probably in her mid-forties, blonde hair, who may have been there as well, (Anne & Jayne Jensen? - they were booked for 12.1- 2.30)

At 10.52 Russell's mobile was active for the only time that day.

Just before 11.00am, Kate was still there (we don't know the time that morning that she washed the tea stain!), Rachael and Jane  also, as Russell confirmed they were there during the children's tennis and the conversation with the man from Southampton.

Fiona and Dave were on their way back to their apartment (where they arrived at 11.30am) as they were cold from sailing.

Russell, Jane and Evie walked down to the beach just after 11.00 as they met Fiona and Dave on their way back.

They met Dave and Fi coming back, because they’d had their second, sailing lesson they said‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’ So then Jane and Russell went down to the beach,  and Russell took out a kayak and Jane sat and just played

Ella and Madeleine and 
the rest of the group were getting ready to walk back up to the Kids Club

Jane  got pictures of Ella, of Evie, (Note: Not Madeleine in the same group?) that’s about the first day she took pictures 
Thursday was  probably one of the first nice days the sun had  come out in the day.

They didn’t know where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t co to the beach with them.


Matthew Oldfield was booked for 11.00 (He and Rachael had said he went down to the beach for sailing around an hour earlier at 10.00am!)

Records show that he played with Dan on Court 1 while FOSTER played on court 2.

After Gerry's tennis class finished at 11.15, he stayed in the pool area talking with his wife andother persons, whom he does not remember.

After tennis, they all went to the pool. Jez saw Gerry and Kate near the pool relaxing and spent the majority of the time talking with the tennis coach She was a British tennis instructor whose name is George or Georgina. He remembered that she was telling them a bit about her personal life.

 The coach appeared to be talking about her life in general and both Jeremy and Bridget noticed that Gerry and Kate were listening intently to her. Jeremy thought this to be courteous of them considering they did not know her.


Fiona and Dave were drenched and really wet and really cold, so they came back to the apartment to get,  more clothes because they hadn’t taken enough with them.  Eleven, half eleven, that they  were back at the apartment.

And then they sat, by the pool for a bit with Dave and then we saw Kate and Gerry and we justsat and had a chat with them


Anne and Jayne Jensen played on the  court 1 after Matthew Oldfield at 12 -12.30

















At some point Kate and Gerry went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 whenKate went to Madeleine’s creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. 
She signed the register  (but CAT does not recall seeing her) and went to the twins’ creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him

The twins were not signed in or out that morning.


Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes

Gerry claims that at 12H00, together with KATE,  she made lunch and he went to get MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home. Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut.
(Creche records Kate 12.25 - no records for twins) (FIONA AND KATE PICKED HER UP ALTHOUGH CAT DOES NOT REMEMBER SEEING KATE OR GERRY PICKING HER UP OR DROPPING HER OFF AFTER LUNCH)

GERRY At 12h30 they started lunch
, the meal having lasted an hour until 13h30

At that time the Last Picture was taken!!

Fiona and Dave and Dianne had lunch in their apartment and (unusually) Jane and Russel, Matthew and Rachael had lunch together.


NOTE:

Remembering these timelines are taken from T7 (contrived) statements.

Jez (credible witness) did not see Jane and Rachael OR (maybe) Kate when he arrived even though they all claim to have been there.

ROB claims they were there and entered into a conversation with the Man from Southampton.

Rachael and Matthew claim he was sailing in the morning...going at around 10.00am but he was booked for a tennis lesson at 11.00am

Kate claims to have chatted with ROB after her lesson but he says he was in the apartment looking after E**e for some time.

Fiona claims to have seen Kate and Gerry by the pool for 10 minutes before they went to pick up Madeleine and Scarlett but Kate and Gerry say they were back in the apartment at that time. (Where did Kate meet up with Fiona to collect the children?)

Many more discrepancies for that morning nd I haven't finished putting all the statements together.

Jane, Rachael, Fiona, Matthew and Russell were not mentioned by Jez, even though he knew some of them from the plane and they claim to have been there!
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Re: Was Maddie ALIVE on Thursday? So many discrepancies - were they trying to hide something?

Post by HiDeHo on 25.03.18 6:19

Kate Gerry FP/DP JT ROB MO RMO DW Others 
7amKATE On May 3 they all woke between 7;30 and 8:00 AM; doesn’t know who woke first.  GERRY Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00       









8am They washed the children and had breakfast at the apartment between 08:00 and 08:30 AM. Food bought by her and Gerry at Baptista supermarket.




KATE During breakfast the “crying episode”, already described, took place. She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine’s pijama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry.

 While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her “why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying?”. 
   MO - The Thursday morning we, Rachael, G***e and I went to the Millennium Restaurant for breakfast, well as we did each morning, as I’ve already said. There wasn’t anybody else there, we had breakfast on our own. I don’t mean there was nobody else at any other table, but it was fairly quiet, but none of the other group were there initially. Now we were always fairly early because G***e was always awake earliest, erm, awake at, I don’t know”.
00.02.26 4078 “Lucky you!”
Reply “Yeah, always by half six or six o’clock and she’d be sort of sparky and awake and wanting to get up and so we’d sort of trudge on and we might even be banging on the doors waiting for them to open up, we’d be fairly early to breakfast.

 

RMO - On 3rd May, the day of Madeleine’s disappearancethey all (except for the McCanns who stayed in their apartment) has breakfast at the Millenium at 08.00.


  





9am  KATE After breakfast they got dressedand left the apartment by the main door. All children went walking. The verandah door was closed and locked; she doesn’t know whether the main door was locked or unlocked.

After leaving the apartment they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas; at the same time she supposes that Gerry took Madeleine to the creche next to the 24-hour reception area. 

Once the children had been delivered, they went to the tennis courts for a scheduled tennis lesson. Kate’s group lesson was at 9:15, Gerry’s an hour later. She doesn’t know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment

Also present at the tennis courts between 9.10 and 10.10 were Kate McCann, Dianne Webster and Jane Tanner.
 GERRY Thursday, after breakfast, about 09h00,KATE and the children left by the rear door, he having left by the front door, which he locked with the key, having also closed and locked the rear door from the inside.


They made their way on foot by the usual route to the crèche next to the TAPAS where they left the twins, and, while KATE stayed to play tennis he took MADELEINE to her crèche, through the short-cut, where they arrived at 09h15, and ,
since it was obligatory, he signed the child's attendance register.
 
She doesn’t know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment

GERRY On returning, not by the short-cut, he went to the supermarket where he bought milk, he presumes, making his way to his apartment, entering by the front door, that was locked by key, when it was 09H40/09H45.
----- He remained at home for about 15 minutes, dressing in tennis clothes, left by the front door, that he did not lock, and made his way to the tennis courts by the usual route, they being next to the TAPAS.

  j up late no breakfast

Also present at the tennis courts between 9.10 and 10.10 were Kate McCann, Dianne Webster and Jane Tanner.

J Tennis with RM
 jROB took E&E to Millenium with Matt

ROB Erm well we didn’t see them at, at breakfast me and,me and Matt had gone up to the Millennium for breakfastand we were, we were running a little bit late


j Rob dropped Ella..walked Ev to tennis?
 MO - And so that morning we’d eaten breakfast and we were ready to leave before anybody else arrived and we were actually out of the door when Russell, with his two children, but not Jane, arrived.

 MO - I didn’t really enjoy dropping G***e off at Nursery because she got a bit upset, Rachael volunteered to go and do it. So she went back, erm, she went back first and I stayed with Russell and went back in for breakfast, because I was going to go down to the beach and sail because they had, erm, either a sailing or a wind surfing, I think they had sailing that morning, so I was going to go down and go sailing, that’s what we’d agreed that I would do. Erm, so we went back in and he had breakfast and I think Jane had tennis, I think maybe they were, I think they had a lesson, did they have a lesson together Rachael and Jane, erm, they wouldn’t have done because we’d have had lessons as a couple. And so I went back in with Russell and E**a and E**e and we had breakfast and then we walked back together and we, Russell had to take E**a and E**e, erm, so he dropped E**a off at the, at her Nursery area which was separate from where we drop G***e, 


 Afterwards the witness took G***e to the Club.Madeleine and the twins also went to the Club that morning, (?) as well as the other children in the group.

The witness, after leaving G***e at the club went to the apartment to get ready for tennis. Also present at the tennis courts between 9.10 and 10.10 were Kate McCann, Dianne Webster and Jane Tanner.
 Also present at the tennis courts between 9.10 and 10.10 were Kate McCann, Dianne Webster and Jane Tanner. 









TIME TENNIS  Tennis Records & CommentsOther Locations
 9.00 KM JT RMO
plus blonde lady in 40's
9-10 Adult classic 1




9-10 RFAP?
GPO4?
 Kate’s group lesson was at 9:15,
I think it was kind of generally a sort of women’s tennis lesson that had gone on, there may have been a partner of one of the other, of the other guests, there were a couple of people who were, who Kate and Rachael and Jane had played with, I, I forget the names. I’ve got this vague recollection there was a lady who, probably in her mid-forties, blonde hair,
 
 9.30 KM JT RMO
9-10 Adult classic 1



9-10 RFAP?
GPO4?
  RMOErm well I saw Kate, I chatted to Kate by the pool, erm in the morning”.
1578 “What time was that”?
Reply “That would have been from sort of, you know half nine, ten o’clock onwards

RMO  (May 11)At 09H45 she left the apartment and went to the swimming pool area where she read a book and talked with KATE until llH10, the time at which she went to the tennis courts since the lesson was delayed slightly. At that time her husband MATHEW arrived also to play tennis until about 12.10 pm.







10am  When her lesson ended at 10:15, she went to the recreation area next to the swimming pool to talk to Russelluntil Gerry’s lesson was over
  The Payne couple were also at the beach

DP - on that particular day err me and Fiona had you know gone down to the beach, we err took the dinghies out err as usual
 jThursday another group of children came down for their tennis 
lesson and that’s when Russell and this other person was there with the video camera.conversation with this other person .. because he was taking pictures of his daughter
 ROB
Yesterday, as his daughter **** was feeling ill, the informant dropped **** (his other daughter!) at the Kids Club at around 10am after breakfast. 
He completely corroborates his partner Jane Tanner's statements for the rest of the day.

RMO- Matthew andROB went to the beach

ROB Went to the flat with E***whileshe was resting I went outside to watch Jane play tennis��? I think I was sat and, I went to the flat with E**erm, she, I think she did have a snooze that morning, erm, and I read a book and played with her and then, at some stage, I think when Jane had finished playing tennis, I then went out with E** play tennis��?

ROB After Jane’s tennis lesson? I’ll try and preserve it as much as possible, ‘I recall that one of the guests? erm, ?FONT sia man from Southampton came up full-stop. ‘His daughter it was his three year old daughter, ‘his young daughter was having a? this, it may be word perfect, ‘was having a? erm?
1578 “We have got His daughter was playing tennis Reply “Well, yeah, his, his daughter was having a tennis lesson, you know, a kid’s tennis lesson

And I think that’s important, particularly, because of what the man said, if Madeleine was potentially being photographed by anyone, it was absolutely clear that Madeleine and E were not there that day

And present at that conversation were?��?BR>Reply “Well certainly myself, Jane, Kate and Rachael, 

there were a couple of people who were, who Kate and Rachael and Jane had played with, I, I forget the names. I’ve got this vague recollection there was a lady who, probably in her mid-forties, blonde hair, who may have been there as well, (Anne & Jayne?)

10.52 Russel Mobile On the day of the occurrence, 3rd, there exists only the record made at 10:52:32
MO - he (ROB) went on and I turned left and went down to the beach and went sailing for that morning
 RMO- Matthew andROB went to the beach. The Payne couple were also at the beach. 

Gerry’s tennis session was at 10.00.

  10-11 creche 'minis' tennis
(according to tennis records but not on Lobsters schedule)

Madeleine sailing

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id231.html
\\\"There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing.She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap \\\"I am scared, I am scared.\\\" We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time. Jane Tanner\\\'s daughter also took part in my group and together they would play. Apart from being a happy child in the club, she always seemed very content when she saw her parents. Madeleine did not demonstrate any fear with the return launch to land.\\\"

JEZ Relative to the encounter with Gerry and Kate on the 3rd of May 2007;
I had a tennis lesson with Gerry from 10h00 to 11h00. After the lesson we went to fetch the children from the crèche.


Jez Thursday, 3rd May 2007, at 10 am I went to tennis lesson as usual and Jerry was there and a female. The other two females were not present

JEZ He went to play tennis at 1030hrs and noticed Gerry was there. He engaged in general conversation with him 
as well as a female member of Gerry’s group, but he could not name her. (D





10.00 GM JW Female
(2 females missing)

10-11 Adult classic 2



10-10.30 Adult Classic
 

JEREMY WILKINS
On Thursday, 3rd May 2007, at 10 am I went to tennis lesson as usual and Jerry was there and a female. The other two females were not present. We again engaged in general conversation and played (?!) the lesson for an hour.

He went to play tennis at 1030hrs and noticed Gerry was there. He engaged in general conversation with him as well as a female member of Gerry’s group, but he could not name her. 

Gerry’s an hour later
 
10.30 GM JW
Female
(2 females missing)


10-11 Adult classic 2



Madeleine?
10.30 MINIS
 he lives in Southampton, he was there with his wife and a young kid 
yeah, his, his daughter was having a tennis lesson

10.15 - 11.15 KM ROB - Rec Area When her lesson ended at 10:15, she went to the recreation area next to the swimming pool to talk to Russell until Gerry’s lesson was over

KM JT RMO Court area  - And present at that conversation were?”
Reply “Well certainly myself, Jane, Kate and Rachael, 

RMO-
the last time you saw Madeleine”?
Reply “Erm it was when she was having a tennis lesson, in the morning yeah, about probably between ten thirty and eleven on the morning of the third of May”.
00.41.13 1578 “At the tennis courts”?
Reply “Yes at the tennis courts”.
1578 “Any particular court”?
Reply “Erm it was the one, if you were standing facing the courts, it’s the one on the left I think”.NOTE: Madeleine's group played on Tuesday  and all Mini's tennis was played on Court 2. Rachael is describing court 1. WHY LIE about seeing madeleine?
RMO“Erm well I saw Kate, I chatted to Kate by the pool, erm in the morning”.
1578 “What time was that”?
Reply “That would have been from sort of, you know half nine, ten o’clock onwards, we were chatting when Madeleine arrived for the tennis lesson with the rest of the children from her group, erm I think that was probably about ten thirty, erm and Gerry was there then as well, I think he’d been having a lesson on the tennis courts I think, he was having group lessons, so I think he might have been having his lesson sort of up until then, erm so they were both there then and then erm Matt and I had our tennis lesson  
DP FP MO Sailing Dave and I, taking out a boat together. And, and that morning I think Matt came out as well and he was on a separate boat, 






Russell

 After Jane’s tennis lesson I’ll try and preserve it as much as possible, ‘I recall that one of the guests erm, a man from Southampton came up full-stop. ‘His daughter it was his three year old daughter, ‘his young daughter was having a this, it may be word perfect, ‘was having a erm
1578 “We have got His daughter was playing tennisReply “Well, yeah, his, his daughter was having a tennis lesson, you know, a kid’s tennis lesson


 
And I think that’s important, particularly, because of what the man said, if Madeleine was potentially being photographed by anyone, it was absolutely clear thatMadeleine and E were not there that day
 
And present at that conversation were?��?BR>Reply “Well certainly myself, Jane, Kate and Rachael, 



NOTE: Russell (above) claims they were watching the mini group lesson at 10.30 - 11.00 and describes in detail.

Jane (below) claims they went to the beach and saw Madeleine and Ella.

Both statements are specific and a contradiction of each other

See below.... 





Jane

jRussell, me and Evie walked down to the 
beach.I don’t know 
where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t come to the beach with us

 
jDave and Fi were already down there and, no, we 
metwe met Dave and Fi coming back, because they’d had their second, I think 
they’d had their second sailing lessonthey said ‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’So then we 
went down to the beach, erm, and Russell took out a kayak and I sat and just played


 

jElla and Madeleine and the rest of the groupthey were getting ready to walk back up to the, erm, tut, the 
Kids Club

 
jI’ve got pictures 
of Ella, of Evie, that’s about the first day I took pictures actually
Reply “So, yeah, so we had, erm, the tennis lesson finished, so I’ve had that conversation
about ‘Isn’t it awful you can’t watch your daughter’, blah, blah, blah, ‘You can’t film
your own daughter’. And then we walked down to the beach with Exx. So I think,
erm, I think we walked down, no, Dave and Fi were already down there and, no, we
met. Hang on. Sorry, I’m just trying to think.

(Contradiction corrected, it seems they did both but no mention of the beach by ROB when asked about seeing Madeleine)


 
jThursday was actually probably one of the first nice 
days
the sun had more come out in the day










11am  I don’t know 
where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t come to the beach with us
 GERRY The tennis class finished at llH15, he stayed in the pool area talking with his wife andother persons, whom he does not remember.
 FP - FIONA PAYNE And then we were drenched and really wet and really cold, so I think we actually came back to the apartment to get, you know, more clothes because were cold and hadn’t taken enough with us. Erm, and then, so that would have been, I don’t know, eleven, half eleven, that we were back at the apartment. 
And then sat, erm, on, by the pool for a bit with Dave and then we saw Kate and Gerry and we just sat and had a chat with them
 JT - jRussell, me and Evie walked down to the 
beach.I don’t know 
where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t come to the beach with us

jDave and Fi were already down there and, no, we 
metwe met Dave and Fi coming back, because they’d had their second, I think
they’d had their second sailing lessonthey said ‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’So then we 
went down to the beach, erm, and Russell took out a kayak and I sat and just played 


jElla and Madeleine and the rest of the groupthey were getting ready to walk back up to the, erm, tut, the 
Kids Club

jI’ve got pictures 
of Ella, of Evie, (Note: Not Madeleine in the same group?)
 that’s about the first day I took pictures actually

jThursday was actually probably one of the first nice 
daysthe sun had more come out in the day

 JT - jRussell, me and Evie walked down to the 
beach
  The witness’s tennis session was at 11 with Matthew after he returned from the beach. JEZ Relative to the encounter with Gerry and Kate on the 3rd of May 2007;
I had a tennis lesson with Gerry from 10h00 to 11h00. After the lesson we went to fetch the children from the crèche. I saw Gerry and Kate near the pool relaxing. I remember that they were talking to a British tennis instructor whose name is George or Georgina. I remember that she was telling them a bit about her personal life.

JEZ - 3 May 2007.

He went to play tennis at 1030hrs and noticed Gerry was there. He engaged in general conversation with him as well as a female member of Gerry’s group, but he could not name her. After which they all went to the pool. Both Gerry and Kate were present this time and spent the majority of the time talking with the tennis coach. The coach appeared to be talking about her life in general and both Jeremy and Bridget noticed that Gerry and Kate were listening intently to her. Jeremy thought this to be courteous of them considering they did not kn









11.00 MO
11-12 Oldfield (YW?) Dan (L?)



11-12 Foster
MO 4078 “Did you play tennis every day?”
Reply “No, erm, no, I think, I think we tried to play tennis, because they two things, they do sort of organised lessons and we signed up for some lessons which got delayed for weather reasons later in the week, I can’t remember if we signed up for those straight away, because we didn’t do a group, we didn’t do a group lesson which we’d done, when did we do a group lesson, I don’t think we did, I think we just did, Rachael and I, erm, with, erm, with an instructor, because I think we felt we’d play sort of socially with everybody else and then we’d have, do some sort of private lessons rather than signing up all week. I’m not sure about that. I don’t remember playing any organised games with anybody else, I think we just had sort of three, sort of two or three, erm, proper tennis lessons”.
4078 “Do you remember when they were?”
Reply “Erm, I know there was one on the last Thursday,because it got moved over from Wednesday, becauseWednesday it rained and Thursday was a pretty decent day for weather, erm, so it would probably have been, if I’m thinking it’s three, it would probably have been Monday, Tuesday andThursday, but I can’t remember”.

MO -  I assume we made our way back from the beach, picked G***e up from Nursery and, erm, had lunch,


FP eleven, half eleven, that we were back at the apartment

MO - 
 He was sailing until about 11h00 due to which he was late for the tennis class he had booked for that time, together with his wife.

RMO - and then erm Matt and I had our tennis lesson

RMO - until llH10, the time at which she went to the tennis courts since the lesson was delayed slightly. At that time her husband MATHEW arrived also to play tennis until about 12.10 pm.
11.30 MO
11-12 Oldfield (YW?) Dan (L?)
 


11-12 Foster
 MO Thursday is easier to remember for obviously reasons, but Rachael and Jane played tennis that lunchtime and then came back and Russell and I went off to the beach, erm”.
JW-BOD GEORGINA 
I went to the pool where Bridget was. I think Jerry’s wife, [size=13]Kate was already there speaking to the tennis coach. They got really involved in a conversation XXX Jerry would say a joke (?!!!!, unreadible) and go ..

After which they all went to the pool. Both Gerry and Kate were present this time and spent the majority of the time talking with the tennis coach. The coach appeared to be talking about her life in general and both Jeremy and Bridget noticed that Gerry and Kate were listening intently to her. Jeremy thought this to be courteous of them considering they did not know her.



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FP DP GM KM -Pool area

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Re: Was Maddie ALIVE on Thursday? So many discrepancies - were they trying to hide something?

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12.00


KATE Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 whenshe went to Madeleine’s creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. 
She signed the register and went to the twins’ creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him

Together with the three children they went to 
the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes

 
 GERRY At 12H00, together with KATE, as he recalls it, she made lunch and he went to get MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home.Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut.
(Creche records Kate 12.25 - no records for twins)

GERRY At 12h30 they started lunch, the meal having lasted an hour until 13h30

 FP - And then it was time to pick up the kids, so Kate and I walked from the Tapas area over to the main reception, going between, you know, there was a sort of path that went between the other Ocean Club complex as well along the road, erm, and she picked up Madeleine and I picked up Scarlet and then we walked back together and that was the only day we ever did, ever did that. Erm, 

and then when we got back they, you know, Kate too Madeleine to their apartment for lunch and, erm, I went up to ours for lunch. 

And that day, erm, I think was the only day that no-one else came for lunch, erm, tut, I think that was just me, Dave and my mum, and the others,

Rachael and Matt, I think, had their lunch with Russ and Jane, erm, so those two families were together, 

Kate and Gerry on their own and us on our own.


DP - on that particular day err me and Fiona had you know gone down to the beach, we err took the dinghies out err as usual we went, you know we had the kids, err we had lunch err in the apartment. 

 jRuss took the, took the kayak out for a bit and then came 
back and then we just sat, I think we just stayed then on the beach and waited to, 
because Ella, and then waited ‘til sort of half twelve to go and pick Ella up for lunch, 
erm. So we walked back via the Kids Club and then back up for lunch. And I think 
that day was the day we had lunch in our apartment with just Matt and Rachael and not Dave and Fi. I think, I think because they’d done the sailing early

 ROB So after I’ve gone out to play tennis, erm, the next couple of paragraphs occur and then ‘We probably saw Madeleine at lunchtime and one of us probably collected El*so it’s slightly out of, it’s slightly out of synch this��?    

12.00 12 -12.30
Anne & Jayne Jensen
 JW-BOD GEORGINA  
FP DP GM KM -Pool area
we sort of sat about ten minutes and then, so Kate and I wandered off down to the, erm, Reception to get the kids, erm, Scarlet, Madeleine and Gerry and Dave went and got, went to the toddler club to get the twins and L***”
so when was the first time that you saw Kate and Gerry on the Thursday?”

we were just sat on the sun loungers by the pool, erm, just having a drink and Kate and Gerry appeared, we offered them a drink, I think they turned down, they either, they’d just had a tennis lesson or had a knock, erm. In fact I think, was it Gerry had had a lesson then and was going into length degree to Kate about his style of tennis and I was joking that Kate was actually listening to this and finding it incredibly boring cos it’s the sort of thing, you know, they, as a couple, they did have amazing sort of patience with each other than (inaudible), I wouldn’t have that with David talking to me (inaudible), so there was that joke, so yeah I think it was Gerry just had a tennis lesson and Kate might have been having a knock up, but they were in their tennis gear”.

RMO&MO had 11.00am tennis
12.30  LUNCH  Madeleine 12.25 KM
FP Yeah, that, that day, erm, I actually picked Scarlet up with Kate, erm, and I’m trying to think what the time, the times were

FP Kate and I walked from the Tapas area over to the main reception, (...) and she picked up Madeleine and I picked up Scarlet and then we walked back together

JW -At 12:30 pm we went fetch the little boy from the crèche as usual. Everyone left the pool at about the same time. I didn’t see Jerry or Kate.
At 1230hrs both Jeremy and Bridget went to pick up their children from the crèche. They did not have any interaction with the group again that afternoon

MO- I turned left and went down to the beach and went sailing for that morning. Erm, from then, I don’t remember, I assume we made our way back from the beach, picked G***e up from Nursery and, erm, had lunch, but I can’t remember where we had lunch that day, it may have been at Dave and Fiona’s by that point in the week
NOTE: No-one went to Fionas for lunch, JT&ROB MO & RMO had lunch together -
MO -Subsequently the three of them went to the Payne apartment for lunch. He clarifies that he lunched there with the Paynes, their children and mother-in-law, and with ROB and JT. He does not recall if KM and GM were there


[size=32]LUNCHTIME
[/size]
 Midday

CRECHE
12.25 KM
 At 12H00, he agreed with KATE, as he recalls it, that she would make lunch and the deponent would pick up MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins homeSince it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut.
NOTE: Kate claims she went back to the apartment at 12.15 and then picked Madeleine up with Fiona.

Fiona claims they stayed at the pool and then went to pick Madeleine up

Catriona cannot remember who picked Madeleine up

The creche records show Kate 12.25)


At 12h30 they started lunch, the meal having lasted an hour, until 13h30

GERRY At 12H00, together with KATE, as he recalls it, she made lunch and he went to get MADELEINE.He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home. Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut.


GERRY At12h30 they started lunch, the meal having lasted an hour until 13h30

 Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine’s crèche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. She signed the crèche's register and went to the twins’ crèche with the intention of picking them up, she thinks that she met Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him. Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly the deponent and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes.


KATE Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine’s creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. 
She signed the register and went to the twins’ creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him

Together with the three children they went to 
the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes

FIONA PAYNE

“When did you see Kate and Gerald on Thursday, so when was the first time that you saw Kate and Gerry on the Thursday?”
Reply
“It would have been sort of late morning when we’d got back from our sailing and we got changed, got some warm things on and we were just sat on the sun loungers by the pool, erm, just having a drink and Kate and Gerry appeared, we offered them a drink, I think they turned down, they either, they’d just had a tennis lesson or had a knock, erm. In fact I think, was it Gerry had had a lesson then and was going into length degree to Kate about his style of tennis and I was joking that Kate was actually listening to this and finding it incredibly boring cos it’s the sort of thing, you know, they, as a couple, they did have amazing sort of patience with each other than (inaudible), I wouldn’t have that with David talking to me (inaudible), so there was that joke, so yeah I think it was Gerry just had a tennis lesson and Kate might have been having a knock up, but they were in their tennis gear


 FP - And then it was time to pick up the kids, so Kate and I walked from the Tapas area over to the main reception, going between, you know, there was a sort of path that went between the other Ocean Club complex as well along the road, erm, and she picked up Madeleine and I picked up Scarlet and then we walked back together and that was the only day we ever did, ever did that. Erm, 





 1.00

LAST PICTURE TAKEN 1.29
 the last record of themobile phone of Kate
prior to the occurrence [event] occurs at
13:34:53
 RRY 13h30 After that time they made their way to the resort play area, the deponent left by the front door and the rest of the family by the rear door that, once again, he shut and locked from the inside. As to the front door, he does not know exactly if he locked it.
----- That they stayed in the play area for approximately an hour until 14H30/14H35

After finishing lunch they stayed for a while at the apartment, then they went to the recreation area next to the pool, as the children were somewhat restless, maybe tired or bored. They remained at this area an hour, maybe more, then they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other creche. They went via a path in front of the small reception and then through gardens and stairs, taking a short cut. This route was the one mentioned by Gerry.

 We put our kids to bed slightly earlier that day, thinking, because it was a nicer day, that we’ll try and get down to the beach and, you know, have a bit of a afternoon at the beach with them. So that day was slightly different”.

 jbefore Ella went back, Rachael and I just went to have a knock on the tennis court probably about half one  ROB ‘I believe I saw Madeleine at lunchtime��?
 MO - I assume we made our way back from the beach, (NOTE: Tennis at 11 according to RMO and tennis sheets)
picked G***e up from Nursery and, erm, had lunch, but I can’t remember where we had lunch that day, it may have been at Dave and Fiona’s by that point in the week


 jbefore Ella went back, Rachael and I just went to have a knock on the tennis court probably about half one   


1.00  LUNCH  KM GM +3 - 5A
FP DP DW +2 Own apt Kids bed
about one, half one, 
MO RMO ROB JT Lunch together
1.30  LUNCH 1.30-2.15 KM GM +3 POOL
around 1.30pm, the children spent time near the club's swimming pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes,
FP- I was around, I was around the apartment”.
L&S asleep






2.00  GERRY After that14H30/14H35 they left the twins next to the crèche at the TAPAS, they signed the register and the three (deponent, KATE and MADELEINE) made their way to the crèche at the main reception, where they arrived at14H50 and delivered MADELEINE, not being able to say precisely who signed the register.

(CB does not remember who picked up and dropped off at lunchtime)

CB madeleine dropped by kate : 14-50 KM
4 children in the afternoon (including Madeleine)

 DP -that afternoon I wanted to go down err to the Ocean, err to the beach and err you know windsurf err Matt and Russell had gone down there, they were, had taken the catamaran out. So I went down there err while Fiona and Dianne were looking after the girls in our apartment. j Russ took back, took Ella back to the Kids Cluband Matt was listening for Evie and Grace

jI think we played ‘til about, phew, half two

jI’m not sure
 Russ took back, took Ella back to the Kids Cluband Matt was listening for Evie and Grace

ROB if this is going to be another question that you are going to ask, but I think that was 
the last time that I saw Madeleine, because Kate and Gerry brought the kids, all 
the 
kids down to the play area to, they would have their lunch before they took them 
back to the Kids Club, and I think that was about two, quarter past two’ish, and I can 
remember Madeleine shouting things to us on the tennis court, you know, and I can 
remember Gerry sort of going ‘Oh good shot��?or whatever. And I think that would 
have been the last time that I personally, you know, I personally saw Madeleine. 
Erm, and I think they then left, I say times, I’m not sure, but I know, I think it was 
probably, the Kids Club had already gone back in, because I could hear, the Kids 
Club was right by the court, so, and I can remember thinking ‘Oh they’ve not gone 
straight back in��? Then they took the twins up to the Kids Club and I presume 
Madeleine back to the, to the other one
, because then Kate and Gerry, I think we saw 
them, I can’t remember for exactly, but I think we saw them when we come back, 
because they’d booked a, erm, a private tennis lesson, just the two of them, that 


I can’t recall if I collected El*or whether she was brought up by the Nannies, it’s all a bit hazy now��? I think I can probably say the Nannies did not bring the children back at the end of the morning session because there was no tea, they weren’t bringing them back sort of thing. So I think I can probably, I can probably clarify there that, erm, ‘Either Jane or I collected El*from the��? erm, ‘from the��? erm, ‘Ocean Club, Mini Club’��?

Jane was looking after E��? we didn’t, we didn’t put her into, into the club that afternoon

 j Russ took back, took Ella back to the Kids ClubandMatt was listening for Evie and Grace


MO- then in the aft, when G***e went down to sleep Rachael went to play tennis with Jane, I’m fairly sure about that.
 jI think we played ‘til about, phew, half two

jI’m not sure
  



2.00  LUNCH
DW & JT?

GM & SC
 1.30 -2.30 KM GM +3 - POOL  then they went to the recreation area next to the pool, as the children were somewhat restless, maybe tired and bored. They remained at this area for about an hour, maybe more, then they left the twins at the crèche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other crèche
FP mum had tennis possibly
she might have played a bit of tennis with Jane

MO ROB boat -and I think Matt and Russell had already gone down to do, to take a boat out a bit earlier
L&S Asleep

Stepehen Carpenter
DCF: Did you see Kate or Gerry on the Thursday 3rd May, obviously this was the day when Madeleine disappeared already mentioned in your statement.

SC: Yes, in the restaurant, yes.

DCF: Do you remember if you saw them before the evening'

SC: Humm... I think that we played tennis during the afternoon on Thursday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I’m not certain, I remember that it was on Thursday that there were four individuals with whom we used to share the tennis courts, and I think that I mentioned this in my statement, I would say that it was on Thursday that we played tennis and I think that this was what we talked about in the Tapas bar.

DCF: OK, do you have any idea of what time you played tennis with Gerry'

SC: Humm...[size=13] from two to four or from two until any time in the afternoon,
 I remember it coincided with leaving the kids in the crèche and picking them up.

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2.30 
GM & SC

DW & 
JT?
 2.30-245LUNCH 
2.30-3.30 Weinberger
 FP Apartment 
Madeleine 2.50 KM
A&S 2.45 KM
DP Windsurfing Dave possibly, sort of halfway through the afternoon, while the kids were still asleep, went off to do some wind surfing
L&S Asleep
E**a -Creche
MO ROB boat



3.00  GERRYThe deponent and KATE returned to the OCEAN CLUB by the short-cut and at the secondary reception they asked the lady employee if there was a vacant tennis court they could reserve. They were told there was a vacancy between 14H30 to 15H30. As it was already 15h00, they began to play immediately. At 15H30, the tennis instructor arrived, who instructed each of them until 16H30.

       



3.00 DW & JT? 
KM 
2.30-3.30 Weinberger



GM & SC
GM

3-3.30 Gerry  Dan
 around 2:50 p.m., they both had, once more, a tennis lesson, this time an individual one just for the two of them,FP Apartment
L&S Asleep

E**a -Creche
MO ROB boat
DP Windsurfing
3.30 
 KM 
Madeleine?
3.30 -4.30 kids club


GM & SC
GM
3-3.30 Gerry  Dan
 T7 Beach
MO ROB boat
DP Windsurfing
E**a -Creche
FP DW JT RMO Walked to beach
-
the kids would have woken up about sort of three, half three, erm, and I went down to the beach at that point, certainly with mum
Jane and, erm, Rachael also brought their children and we all sort of headed down to the beach”.
So in that group, yeah, me, mum, I think, as I say, I can’t say for Dave, I think he was already, had gone by then, yeah, Jane with, erm, E**a and E**e, well it would have just, it was just E**e actually because E**a was, would have been in kids club, and, erm, yeah, and Rachael with G***e”.


4.00  KM 



GM
3-3.30 Gerry  Dan
 we got to the beach about four o’clock
E**a -Creche
DP Windsurfing
FP JT RMO Sandcastles
 women and the kids really playing on the beach, you know, sandcastles and stuff
T7 Beach
4.30  GM Julian
4.30-6.00 Tennis clinic



4.30-6.00 Tennis clinic
 The lesson ended an hour later, at around 4:30 p.m. Gerry continued playing tennis with a guest called JULIAN who belonged to his tennis group,4.30-500 KM Jog The lesson ended, at around 4:30 p.m - she went for a jog along the beach, for around half an hour
T7 Beach
4.30 ROB E**a creche
MO ROB - Boat until 4.30 Matt and Russell came back in and there was a bit of a laugh because Russ was saying that he saved Matt’s life
 
Matt must have got in, I’m sure it was Matt and Russ, about half four, erm, and then, about twenty minutes after that, maybe Dave
4.50 Dave had came in from the wind surfing.



5.00  GM
4.30-6.00 Tennis clinic



4.30-6.00 Tennis clinic
 T7 Paradaiso
FP-that group as a whole went up to the restaurant, erm, on the beach and ordered our, well the food for the kids, we didn’t eat, and we all had a beer. Erm, so, yeah, I’d say about five”.
Food-
five and half five. I mean, there was always a little wait, but not too long
5.30 4.30-6.00 Tennis clinic



4.30-6.00 Tennis clinic
 KM GM & Children -TAPAS  When she finished jogging, at around 5:20/5:30 p.m., she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were having dinner at separate tables
Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over, at around 5.30 p.m

(Madeleine-Kate signed 5.30 / A&S Kate signed 5.25)

She (Madeleine) asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment, as well
5.40-600 KM GM & Children 5A
After the 5pm dinner, they bathed the children, prepared them for the night and let them play for a while at a playground next to the tennis courts, still and always under parental supervision. At around 8pm, the children were put to bed
T7 - Paraiso

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Post by HiDeHo on 25.03.18 6:21

[size=32]PICKING UP MADELEINE FROM HIGH TEA MAY 3rd[/size]
4pmGM
They stayed there, talking, until 16H45, at which time the twins went to the meal area 
KM
The lesson ended an hour later, at around 4:30 p.m.
     
 5pm  At 17h00, as usual, MADELEINE arrived accompanied by the nannies and the other children. After her arrival, MADELEINE dined, having finished at 17H30.




After 17H30 they went to the apartment, the deponent having entered by the main door, which he did not lock while he was inside the residence. KATE and the children entered by the back door, after this had been opened from the inside by the deponent.

NOTE: Kate claims carrying Madeleine and entering by the front door

NOTE: Did Kate go jogging on the beach and wave to the others?) at 5.00pm
 Gerry continued playing tennis with a guest called JULIAN who belonged to his tennis group, while she went for a jog along the beach, for around half an hour. During that period she saw the rest of the group, children and grownups; she was disappointed as nobody had told her that they were going to the beach and Madeleine surely would have loved to have gone with them. She cannot confirm whether she went to the apartment between the tennis game and the jog.

When she finished jogging, at around 5:20/5:30 p.m., she went to the Tapas area.Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were having dinner at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the area by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over, at around 5.30 p.m.. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her; she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment, as well. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment at around 5:40 p.m., earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach 



At the apartment they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00 p.m. Gerry went to the tennis courts, right after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered through the same door.

Note: Gerry claims he went in the front door and opened the back door

CATRIONA ROGATORY (nothing in early statements) after Rothley visit in November.
.
Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area 

(NOTE: Went refers to someone 'going' as opposed to 'arriving' Translation maybe?)


and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics. It was around 15h25/18h00(5.25-600?)  I think that Gerry was playing tennis.

QUESTION: Why would she THINK Gerry was playing tennis?
Gerry claims he was there and Kate claims he was playing with Julian earlier but was already at the tapas when she arrived, so did someone TELL Catriona he was playing tennis?

If not, did she know them well enough to guess (even though he was 'supposedly' right there?) 


G & K claim Madeleine was tired and Kate carried her home while Gerry walked with the twins at 6.40

ie
Gerry claims he was there
Kate claims he was there
Catriona claims he wasn't there (she 'thinks' he was playing tennis)

6.00  GM
6.00-7.30 Mens Social



6.00-7.30 Mens Social
ROB MO
DAN
 Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00 p.m.

When David returned from the beach he was with Gerry at the tennis courts, and it was Gerry who asked him to help Kate with taking the children to the recreation area, which had been arranged but did not take place. 

MO -Reply “I know [size=13]we played social tennis with the men in the evening, erm, on that Thursday and we actually, because there weren’t that many people around, erm, and we actually asked them whether they could move the tennis forward so they could go to the social tennis, because it was actually later and it would have gone across bath time so at least half of us wouldn’t have been able to, erm, wouldn’t have been able to go, so they actually moved it forward and I think they moved it to six o’clock from either seven or six thirty, I think we’d asked for it to actually be moved to five thirty but it wasn’t obviously fair on everybody else, in terms of guests, so they didn’t move it completely forward, but they certainly moved it forward by at least half an hour”.
00.21.49 4078 “And that as on the Thursday?”
Reply “They moved it for ever night, erm, but, erm, the Thursday I remember because it was the men’s social and we didn’t think we were going to be able to, to get there because we were already a bit late down the beach, but we’d had sort of a bit of free time, we’d already had our sort of time off child care, if you like, and we didn’t know whether the girls were going to give us a pass to do it, but they did late, so we ended up going to it, but sort of quite late for it, we were pretty late by the time”.

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 KM 5A
 5.30-6.15 -T7 - Paradaiso

I think me and Matt went straight to the, the courts,Dave went off to his apartment and I believe, erm, to Gerry and Kate’s apartment as well. Erm, we then went down to the tennis, erm, it had already started because we were a little late, erm, and, erm, there was Gerry, Dan and a number of other male guests,

I went up to the social tennis around 18:00hours withMatt I think David went to the apartment and then up to Gerry's

The kids came up with Jane, Fiona and Rachael from the beach
but not the MC CANN'S children I presume that they were at the apartment. 
fp - so I think they left probably about, you know, that being Matt and Dave and Russell, around five to six, six o’clock time. And the, you know, the wives stayed behind with the kids, they had ice cream and then we followed on about ten past six and we just walked back up to, to watch them play a bit of tennis and give the kids, you know, a little playtime.

 we left the beach at around sort of just after six, ten past six, something like that, so we would have been back, it would have taken us a good ten minutes to walk back

[size=13]after we had the meal we got some ice cream 

I walked back err from the tenniscourts, err back to err you know Kateand Gerry’s apartment

[size=18]CONFIRMED CCTV PICS

6.14 ROB DP MO Still at Paradaiso
6.36 - RMO JT FP Still at Paradaiso
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id213.html

(Approx 15 mins walk back to Ocean Club)
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6.30  GM 
6.00-7.30 Mens Social



6.00-7.30 Mens Social
ROB MO
DAN

GM MO DP ROB

MO ROB 6.45 -DP

another three, two or three people, whose name I may have known at the time but no longer do, I certainly didn’t know them terribly well. And we started off playing doubles on both, both of the two courts, erm, sometimes changing, changing players”.

DP -
According to her he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6:30-6:40 p.m.
As I understand it, there was a tennis tournament taking place the following day, wasn’t there, was there nobody practising or?”
“Well there was only two courts and during that time, because this was a set, erm, MARK WARNER tennis sort of hour”.


“You couldn’t book the courts for practice, erm, so both courts were, for that hour, the men’s tennis. Erm, so I don’t recall anyone else playing in the, you know, or practising. Erm, I think, you know, I, I, as I recall, I mean, I couldn’t say for sure whether there were other men there, I seem to remember there being a lot of focus on them sort of playing what they wanted to play, the, you know, out of, you know, Russell, Matt and, erm, and Gerry, you know, I’m sure they were practising doing shots and things like that, which is what they wanted to do, so I think if there had been other people there, they would have been having to join in with that. Erm, because I think, I mean, Dave on his camera might even have photos, I think I even took photos, erm, of them practising doing a serve”.

 FP-between six and seven as well, could you tell me where David was?”
Reply
“Erm, I can up to a point, yeah. He was, as I say, he left, as I see it, around six, erm, and then I wouldn’t have seen him again until I got to the tennis courts to see him play tennis, so that would have been about half six and then he was playing tennis for that whole half an hour and, as I say, we left him playing tennis, when me and my mum went up to bath the kids and he, he didn’t sort of return until after seven, ten past seven, quarter past seven, something like that, so, yeah, that’s where he was. And then the rest is what he’s told me, erm, again, I couldn’t tell you times, but I know before he went, went to tennis, he popped in on Kate and the kids, erm, and saw them all in their pyjamas, ready for bed, having a story, before going to join for the tennis, so I can only assume that that was between, erm, you know, six and half past”.
1485
“So he didn’t tell you a period of time where he did that then?”
Reply
“Sorry?”
1485
“He didn’t tell you the period of time which he checked on?”
Reply
“Well he said it was before tennis”.
1485
“Before tennis?”
Reply
“Yeah, before going to the tennis”.
1485
“And the next question is, okay, and you have just answered it. If he is not with you during this period then where did he go and with what intention? Well it is obviously it is to play tennis, isn’t it?”
Reply
“Umm”.
1485
“Although you can’t say one hundred percent, can you, if he was on the tennis court between six and seven, can you?”
Reply
“No”.
1485
“You can say he was there between quarter to seven and seven?”
Reply
“I feel I’m answering Dave’s question for him”.
1485
“Yeah”.
Reply
“Because all I know is that he, he said to me later on that evening that he had been in on Kate and the kids. Erm, now I’m taking that as before tennis, whether it was that Gerry stayed on playing tennis and Dave came back earlier and popped in before coming up to our apartment, I, I can’t, I can’t be a hundred percent on that”.
1485
“Yeah”.
Reply
“Erm, you know, contrary to what you’re thinking, I mean, huh, you know, we don’t”.
1485
“I don’t think”.
Reply
“Well, you know. Dave’s, erm, you know, I believe that’s for Dave to say what he did really”.
1485
“Sure, yeah”.
Reply
“But I know, I know he said”.
1485
“It is your interview”.
Reply
“Yeah, I know he said he’d been in there”.
1485
“Yeah”.
Reply
“Erm, and that was before coming back to our apartment, so between, between six and seven o’clock”.
1485
“Yeah. If you don’t know you don’t know”.
Reply
“Yeah”.
1485
“That is the answer really, isn’t it?”
Reply
“Yeah”.


 6.40 -KM Shower Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6:30/6:40 p.m.
6.40- DP at 5A She saw that it was David Payne, because he called out and had opened the door slightly
David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn’t even actually enter the flat, he remained at the balcony door

Kate’s about six thirty, err and I went into their apartment through the patio doors

fp- after tennis he’d said he’d checked on Kate and the kidsbefore going to tennis

DAN MO DP ROB‘Dan the tennis coach was also present, as were a handful of other male guests’. ‘And Gerry’, for that matter, it doesn’t, doesn’t explicitly say that Gerry was playing some tennis, which he was (. )‘as were Dave, Matt

So there is Gerry, Dan, yourself and Matt?”
Reply “And Dave and a couple of other guests”.
1578 “You said Dave went to the apartment?”
Reply “Well he did, but only briefly 
and then, well he went, he went back there and then, and then joined us, so fairly rapidly there was the full kind of compliment of, erm, of, the male adults within the group were playing tennis. And, erm, we played for, you know, a fair amount of time, I mean, in total, we were out there probably an hour and a half nearly
at some point during that period, erm, [size=13]all the, the people came back up from the beach, so the kids were up at the, I can remember them being up at the, erm, the netting looking down at the sunken courts

Jane took our children back. I think Matt took, erm, G***e took, sorry, Rachael took G***e
I don’t think we stayed there that long that night because the kids were pretty, pretty tired. Erm, I’m trying to think, I’d say probably by seven o’clock we were, me and my mum headed back with the kids to start bath time. Erm, and Dave, we left him playing tennis for a bit longer
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7.00 6.00-7.30 Mens Social



6.00-7.30 Mens Social
DAN

MO DP ROB

MO ROB DP

DP left 7.10(fp)
 I left there, went and got my stuff, went back to the tennis courts and then err there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little,for a little while but he decided that he’d, he’d played enough tennis for that day and err was going back and so it left with me, Russell and err Matt and err Dan who was the, the you know the tennis coach from Mark Warner. Err so we played some tennis and you know we were having a good knock and then it was getting a bit late so err we, you know we left the tennis courts, went back to our respective partners to get ready to go out, you know it was, it was, you know certainly after half past seven that we’d, you know we’d left the courts, perhaps even a bit later than thatAnd I think Gerry actually left the courtbecause he had been playing for longer than us,I think he went back a little earlier than me, Matt and Dave

Dan, the tennis coach, had also left before we did,
 
GM  KM 5A At 7:00 p.m. Gerry arrived

FP DW -Bath time
DP  7.10 Apartment
I’d say probably by seven o’clock we were, me and my mum headed back with the kids to start bath time. Erm, and Dave, we left him playing tennis for a bit longer. Erm, I think we’d bathed the kids by the time he got back, probablyten minutes later
I’d say, if we came back about seven, he was about ten minutes after that, so about ten past seven, quarter past seven, something like that”.

How did that come into your conversation?”
Reply
Because he was saying how angelic they all looked and he said to Kate when we all sat down at the Tapas table as well and he was sort of joking how they looked like perfect children, because they were all sat there, all clean in their pyjamas, having a story”.
Yeah. But when did he, specifically, when did he tell you?”
Reply
“I think it was when we were getting the kids ready for bed and we were back in our apartment
7.30 MO DP ROB GM  KM 5A
we had to take all of the rackets and b*lls back with us, so, you know, it was relatively late. And I’m not entirely sure what time I got back to, to the room, but, you know, well eventually, me, Matt and Dave all came back.
Dan, the tennis coach, had also left before we did, 


I’d say it was probably coming up to, you know, not
,not far shy of eight o’clock itself.
DP DW - Apartment
FP Run -and then I went for a run that night, after the kids were bathed”... about half past seven”.
It was probably about a twenty or a twenty-fiveminute run...I would have been back by eight o’clock



8.00   
DP DW Apartment
GM  KM 5A
I got back to the flat around 20:00hours 
FP- I was a bit late, because by the time I got back and helped put the kids to bed and had got in the shower, it was generally me that held things up for us that night, erm, in getting out the door”.

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THURSDAY  6.00pm - 7pm


KateGerryFP & DPROB & JTMO & RMDW
6:00 Kate-6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath GERRY-left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played.
 I went over to see err Gerry at the err you know tennis courts,  
 MO -About 18h00 he, ROB and DP went to a social men'stennismatch,
 ROB me, Matt and Dave, erm, left everybody else down at the beach and headed back up to the, to the, erm, the apartments, well to the Tapas anyway
so I left err with err Russell, we left the, err the girls at the restaurant and we went up to the, err back up to the Ocean Club. but I remember then you know I went over to see err Gerry at the err you know tennis courts,
MO-About 18h00 he, ROB and DP went to a social men'stennis match, 
ROB-me, Matt and Dave, erm, left everybody else down at the beach and headed back up to the, to the, erm, the apartments, well to the Tapas anyway
DP Err I, as I say I’m not sure you know what happened to Matt and Russell at that particular moment
About 18h00 he, ROB and DP went to a social men'stennismatch,
ROB- me, Matt and Dave, erm, left everybody else down at the beach and headed back up to the, to the, erm, the apartments, well to the Tapas anyway
 DP-Err I, as I say I’m not sure you know what happened to Matt and Russell at that particular moment
 
 
 [size=undefined]6:15[/size] 
 
jt -Kate was at the apartment(1) putting the children to bed.
mo -, with KM and her childrenwatching the match,
KATE After the children’s bath, already alone, she put pijamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits.
mo-GM wasalready there

DP Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright
jt -around 6.20pm, they went past the tennis court and they saw all the men, including Gerald McCann, on the court. 
jt-(re men)about quarter past six they, they all went up to, erm, to the men’s tennis
just to see you know what was happening, and err decided that we’d, you know I’d come, come back to play tennis and err Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright
 jt around 6.20pm, they went past the tennis court and they sawall the men, including Gerald McCann, on the court.
jt (re men) about quarter past six they, they all went up to, erm, to the men’s tennis 
 jt around 6.20pm, they went past the tennis court and they sawall the men, including Gerald McCann, on the court.
jt (re men) -about quarter past six they, they all went up to, erm, to the men’s tennis
 [size=undefined]6:30[/size] 
 
Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes.After showering, at around 6:30/6:40PM and while she was getting dry, she heardsomebody knocking at the verandah door.
David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn’t actually enter the flat

The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas
jGerry was 
there, he was playing, he was playing tennis��?
 Gerry During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30, the time at which he saw DP next to the tennis court
 KM-6:30/6:40PM it was David Payne, because he called outand had opened the door slightly.David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn’t actually enter the flat,
 he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6:30-6:40PM
j we followed up probably about quarter of an 
hour later with all the kids and we went to the play area by the tennis courts and had 
a, you know, we probably stayed there for about half an hour or so

DP-So I walked back err from the tennis courts, err back to err you know Kate and Gerry’s apartment
I went into their apartment through the patio doors.
 Gerry During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30
j we followed up probably about quarter of an 
hour later with all the kids and we went to the play area by the tennis courts and had 
a, you know, we probably stayed there for about half an hour or so

,
  Gerry During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30,
 
j we followed up probably about quarter of an 
hour later with all the kids and we went to the play area by the tennis courts and had 
a, you know, we probably stayed there for about half an hour or so

  Gerry During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30,
 
j we followed up probably about quarter of an 
hour later with all the kids and we went to the play area by the tennis courts and had 
a, you know, we probably stayed there for about half an hour or so
 [size=undefined]6:45[/size] 
 
but he decided that he’d, he’d played enough tennis for that day and err was going backI left there, went and got my stuff, went back to the tennis courts and then err there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little, for a little while but he decided that he’d, he’d played enough tennis for that day and err was going back and so it left with me,
 
 
there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little,
 
 
there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little,
 
 
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Title: Timetable AFTER 10pm Disappearance (With phone info)

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Information about the phone calls courtesy of santacoloma 




TIMEKATE GERRY ROB MO DP FP JT RMO DW 
10.00pm







10.00pm




10.00pm



10.00pm










10.00pm 



Gerald searched the apartment and stated that the window of the children's bedroom was open and the shutter raised. He checked the shutter before continuing to search outside.


David Payne ran from the McCann's apartment towards the Millennium area. Then he turned in the direction of the church.



Russell O'Brien was in the McCann's apartment for a moment only, rushing out to search the perimeter of the apartment. Then he went to look for Madeleine with Matthew Oldfield. They went in the direction of the beach. He searched the perimeter of the tennis courts and the paths leading to the beach. Russell searched the gardens and all of the surrounding area.



Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.



It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate.

The men's movements, however, are more difficult to pinpoint.
10.00pm









10.00pm









10.00pm








10.00pm








10.00pm
 Gerry must have rushed in with Kate



the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s flat
-then they just
carried on, carried on the searching. They were sort of running around,



after we checked on G***e and come out and I think perhaps Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebody’s taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she’d been taken, 




10.10And who was present when she was telling you this”? 
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry 



some people went directly into the flat initially,erm, included,includingGerry and, and Kate,
 Gerry must have rushed in with Kate



10.10And who was present when she was telling you this”? 
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry 



some people went directly into the flat initially,erm, included,includingGerry and, and Kate,



Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’.
 we didn’t go in at that point,




 Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search



we all just got up and, erm, erm, and, and left with the exception of Dianne who, who I think stayed, who stayed at the chair. We then got up to the foot of the, of the apartment and, erm, you know, clearly, you know, a state of, you know, growing, growing panic. Erm, some people went directly into the flat initially, erm, included, including Gerry and, and Kate, others just stayed at the, at the, at the gate, erm, on the road leading down beside the apartment.



Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, seeif she’s just wandered out’. So everyone did a little bit of a search just in the, in the immediate area and I went along the passageway which was in front of the patio, the patio entrances of, of the apartments, erm, round, all the way along that initially, I think, and unbeknown to me at this point, because we hadn’t really used this entrance a great deal, certainly not walked to the other end of it, it was actually a dead-end, so I then had a look in the, in the front gardens of, of the apartments on the ground floor that you could see, searched a little bit just in between the two apartments and obviously this was a fairly brief search and rapidly doubled back




 we didn’t go in at that point,




 Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search



Then he went to look for Madeleine with Matthew Oldfield. They went in the direction of the beach. He searched the perimeter of the tennis courts and the paths leading to the beach. Russell searched the gardens and all of the surrounding area.



then Matt and I went round and went to our apartment to check on G***e, erm and she was there,NOTE: Jane tanner only saw Rachael 
 



then going to talk to Jane and Matt went off 
10.10Matt sort of went back and I think he went off to sort of look a bit more and search
and he, he went down to call the Police at the main reception of the Ocean Club





Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’.
 we didn’t go in at that point,




 Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search



 David Payne ran from the McCann's apartment towards the Millennium area. Then he turned in the direction of the church.



Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’. 



 she sort of raced back and she just appeared at the doors of the sort of reception area and just shouted across, erm, ‘She’s gone. Gerry, Madeleine’s gone’




we didn’t go in at that point, 




I went round the back of the apartments and round the back of the tennis courts on the main road and then cut down in front of the Baptista Supermarket and back up,

(NOTE: Did she first go with Kate to check theblinds at the front?)



Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.


the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s flat



 Fi started running upstairs and that’s when I ran to Fi and said what I thought, you know, I said ‘I think I’ve seen somebody’
-then they just
carried on, carried on the searching. They were sort of running around,



after we checked on G***e and come out and I think perhaps Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebody’s taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she’d been taken,



 10.10And who was present when she was telling you this”? 
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry
 I looked out of the window to check, to see if I could see them still there, and that’s when the only person I could see still at the table was, erm, Dianne and everybody else seemed to have, seemed to have gone.



it was Rachael that I saw first because
she had run back I think to check that G***e was obviously okay
-she said ‘Oh Madeleine’s
gone’ or, you know, something along those lines.



the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s flat



 Fi started running upstairs and that’s when I ran to Fi and said what I thought, you know, I said ‘I think I’ve seen somebody’



I just stayed, erm, me and Rachael just stayed with, in our own, but we were sort of out in the alley, in the sort of stairwell outside our rooms, and we were sort of staying with the kids at that point, so we weren’t actually involved in any physical running around, searching”.




just standing
outside the, the door of the apartment mostly, I didn’t really move.  trying to, you know, see what was happening. But, no, I was more or less at the bottom, as I say, at the bottom of the stairs, I’d come down”.



So what time did Jane tell you this”? 
Reply
 
“Itmust have been about, erm ten past ten or something, quarter past ten I guess”. 



other people had just came back from the immediate vicinity as well and it was established obviously that no-one had, had found her. I’m not entirely sure whether I went round to quickly see Jane at this point or whether it was after my next, erm, my next search,



 
about five to ten then or ten o’clock, so Kate said you know, she’d go up and check, do her check andwithin a couple of minutes later she came back and shouting Madeleine’s gone you know, and then we all just leapt up from the table and went up to her, followed her and Gerry, erm up to their apartment


I didn’t go into the apartment,standing at the bottom of the steps by the patio doors and I think Matt and Russell might have been having a look in the garden, erm and then Matt and I went round and went to our apartment to check on G***e, erm and she was there,NOTE: Jane tanner only saw Rachael 
 




Well literally like you know a minute,



  
Matt sort of went back and I think he went off to sort of look a bit more and search and he, he went down to call the Police at the main reception of the Ocean Club, erm and I just stayed near our apartment really



then going to talk to Jane and Matt went off 



after we checked on G***e and come out and I think perhaps Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebody’s taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she’d been taken, 
-So what time did Jane tell you this”? 
Reply “Itmust have been about, erm ten past ten or something, quarter past ten I guess”. 

And who was present when she was telling you this”? 
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry 



 we didn’t go in at that point, 





Rachel Mampilly went to see her own daughter before o
ing to meet Jane in her apartment. When they talked Jane told her that when she had gone to check on the children she saw Gerry and Jez talking together as well as a man carrying a child. 



it was Rachael that I saw first because
she had run back I think to check that G***e was obviously okay



I just stayed, erm, me and Rachael just stayed with, in our own, but we were sort of out in the alley, in the sort of stairwell outside our rooms, and we were sort of staying with the kids at that point, so we weren’t actually involved in any physical running around, searching”.


Rachael, because
G***e was asleep, she was more moving around more,



 said to mum, you know, ‘You stay put here just in case Madeleine comes down to the pool area’ 



 After waiting at the restaurant table for five minutes, Dianne Webster went to the McCann's apartment where she entered the children's bedroom and saw Kate with the twins. Kate insisted on the fact that the window and shutterswere open when she saw the children, Dianne went outside to see if she could raise the shutter from the outside and found it to be impossible. Dianne stayed in the McCann's apartment for about 5 minutes and then returned to the restaurant to fetch her bag, the McCann's camera and the baby monitor.






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He (DP) searched the rocky areas of the beach/coast and checked the stands and boats. He then returned to the Ocean Club reception, passing the Millennium area. David then checked the area around the walls together with Matthew Oldfield.



 He (ROB)searched the eastern part of the beach, zigzagging back along the roads to the McCann's apartment. All the time more people were joining in the search andRussell knew the police had been contacted



When Matthew saw that Madeleine was not in the apartment, he went to the 24 hours reception to ask them to telephone the police. 




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 At that point, Gerry, I don’t think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she’s got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened.Gerry, he was to’ing and fro’ing, in and out, in and out

At that point, Gerry, I don’t think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she’s got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened.
 He searched the eastern part of the beach, zigzagging back along the roads to the McCann's apartment. All the time more people were joining in the search andRussell knew the police had been contacted
other people had just came back from the immediate vicinity as well and it was established obviously that no-one had, had found her. I’m not entirely sure whether I went round to quickly see Jane at this point or whether it was after my next, erm, my next search,



I think then we decided that we just needed to look a little bit further afield, erm, and I went round the, the front of the apartments, the high side of the apartments, had a look along there,
(SEE BELOW) 



at some point or other me, Matt and Dave found ourselves either back at the flat or, or, or, together somewhere nearby and decided that we would, erm, head down to the beach




ROB
I then went, I think around the back, or the front really, where the car park and the apartments are, to the main road, dropping down into the, into the town centre, erm, I forget the name of it, and went down round the back of the tennis courts, looking in there, round the back of the Baptista Supermarket where there’s a car park area and a bit of derelict ground, erm, and then into the Shopping Centre, which is the bottom two or three floors of a of a relatively large building just down the hill. Erm, so that is a separate, erm, sort of search, after coming back to the foot of the apartment and clarifying that, that Madeleine hadn’t been found in the immediate vicinity



On the way back from the Shopping Centre’, in the next paragraph, I met Dave and he was running down the hill with a, with, you know, sort of panic in his eyes, saying ‘This is really bad, this is bad, they haven’t found her’. There was obviously, a number of minutes had passed by this point, while we were looking individually”.
1578 “So ‘I met Dave on the return’?”
 When Matthew saw that Madeleine was not in the apartment, he went to the 24 hours reception to ask them to telephone the police.



at some point or other me, Matt and Dave found ourselves either back at the flat or, or, or, together somewhere nearby and decided that we would, erm, head down to the beach



I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’
 He searched the rocky areas of the beach/coast and checked the stands and boats. He then returned to the Ocean Club reception, passing the Millennium area. 



On the way back from the Shopping Centre’, in the next paragraph, I met Dave and he was running down the hill with a, with, you know, sort of panic in his eyes, saying ‘This is really bad, this is bad, they haven’t found her’. There was obviously, a number of minutes had passed by this point, while we were looking individually”.
1578 “So ‘I met Dave on the return’?”



Dave came in and, erm, he came in initially with me, erm, when I went to Kate, I don’t think he went in any of the bedrooms, I think he was just mainly in the living room trying to put together what they should all be doing really, he was talking more to Gerry, so he was in
 by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’
-don’t know what Matt,  I don’t know what Dave and Russell did at that point. I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’. Gerry had come down at that point.



stayed with Kate for the rest of the eveningI didn’t, other than going onto their sort of balcony and out the front area of their apartment, I was with Kate.
I didn’t, other than going onto their sort of balcony and out the front area of their apartment, I was with Kate.  
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And I looked, I looked throughout the whole apartment and I looked in all the cupboards, under the drawers, under the beds, behind the curtains, everywhere, erm, just, you know, trying to, knowing it had already been done, but you just do. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine’s bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn’t stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn’t stir at all, which that was, that was odd.



 I went to the front of the house and I was trying to lift the shutter at the, at the backjust to prove whether, you know, whether it could have been opened and whether Madeleine could have opened it from the inside”.
Or did you do it from the inside?”

“I did it from, I’m talking about, so, again, the back or the front,
 
I did it from the back, which is where their balcony was”.
   She then immediately returned to the McCann's apartment. Gerry and Kate were in the apartment as well as Fiona. Fiona asked Dianne to stay with Lily and Scarlet to check that they were ok. Dianne returned to the Payne apartment and stayed there for the rest of the nigh

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10.30pm 



Afterwards(ROB) he searched the adjacent apartments to the east of Kate and Gerry along the Rua da Ramalhete and more apartments to the east. On some occasions David Payne was with him.



Matthew spent most of the night searching the neighbouring areas for Madeleine without success. Matthew searched the road between the apartment and the Creche. He searched between the apartment and the Millennium restaurant, also along the beach and finally a cemetery as well as the road leading back to the apartment. Part of this search was carried out with David Payne and Russell O'Brien and part was carried out alone. Matthew talked to an Indian insurance salesman and saw Nathan, the director of the beach concession.

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 she was angry, really angry, tut, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn’t know what, what else to do. She was angry at herself, she kept saying ‘I’ve let her down. We’ve let her down Gerry’, you know, ‘We should have been here’. Erm, tut, she was praying a lot. Erm, I just don’t think she knew what to do, what to do. And she was just howling. It was just, just awful. I think as time went on it just seemed a massive delay from when we said to Matt to phone the Police, erm, that hour, it was an hour, it just seemed like an eternity,



And Kate’s ringing, Gerry’s ringing anybody under the sun, family, they just don’t, they honestly just didn’t know what to do



there was a lot of, Gerry’s in and out, I mean, they were just sobbing, going between sobbing and then feeling helpless and then ringing people and this frantic activity. Kate was desperate to have a Priest, which, you know, people find weird, but I think that was just her way of thinking ‘At least I can pray for Madeleine’ and her way of feeling that she was doing something. Erm, tut, but she wasn’t functioning”.



she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay.
 And Kate’s ringing, Gerry’s ringing anybody under the sun, family, they just don’t, they honestly just didn’t know what to do




there was a lot of, Gerry’s in and out, I mean, they were just sobbing, going between sobbing and then feeling helpless and then ringing people and this frantic activity. Kate was desperate to have a Priest, which, you know, people find weird, but I think that was just her way of thinking ‘At least I can pray for Madeleine’ and her way of feeling that she was doing something. Erm, tut, but she wasn’t functioning”.




I was kind of talk to Gerry and then every now and then I’d go back and check on G***e, erm at one point, probably not that long after, maybeabout ten thirty or something,Gerry and I looked at, up at the stairwell and kind of across all the floors of the block that we were in, erm and that was really the, that was all the searching that I really did, just up the stairs, I think they were five floors or something”.
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It was just really a quick you know, it would have been about five minutes, it was just up the flights and along the, you know the sort of verandas in front of the apartments
 So the three of us swept down through a number of roads, erm, and then came out down at the, you know, down on the beachfront and I think by this point we thought it, you know, it was fairly futile searching as a three so we split up and took sections of the beach




me and Dave kind of headed along towards where the majority of the beach was in the other direction 



I got myself almost over to where this Café Paradiso or Restaurant Paradiso is, along the boardwalks and out to the, to the water edge, 



 I found there that you could, if looking back, you, it wasn’t perfect, but you could see a fair amount of the beach and as well, and also be able to look at the waterline as well. Erm, went along there for a bit towards Black Rock, erm, and then, and then at some point decided to turn, to turn back



I didn’t see Russell or any of the other group in, in Kate and Gerry’s apartment.

 David then checked the area around the walls together with Matthew Oldfield.



 Matthew spent most of the night searching the neighbouring areas for Madeleine without success. Matthew searched the road between the apartment and the Creche. He searched between the apartment and the Millennium restaurant, also along the beach and finally a cemetery as well as the road leading back to the apartment. Part of this search was carried out with David Payne and Russell O'Brien and part was carried out alone. Matthew talked to an Indian insurance salesman and saw Nathan, the director of the beach concession.



So the three of us swept down through a number of roads, erm, and then came out down at the, you know, down on the beachfront and I think by this point we thought it, you know, it was fairly futile searching as a three so we split up and took sections of the beach




I think Matt looked immediately around where we had come out on the beach,

I didn’t see Russell or any of the other group in, in Kate and Gerry’s apartment.


 David then checked the area around the walls together with Matthew Oldfield.



So the three of us swept down through a number of roads, erm, and then came out down at the, you know, down on the beachfront and I think by this point we thought it, you know, it was fairly futile searching as a three so we split up and took sections of the beach



 




me and Dave kind of headed along towards where the majority of the beach was in the other direction 



Dave started searching on that part of the beach and I got myself almost over to where this Café Paradiso or Restaurant Paradiso is, along the boardwalks and out to the, to the water edge,



   20:30:21 Jane Tanner texts Charlotte Gorrod (a friend who was in Luz at the time) I was kind of talk to Gerry and then every now and then I’d go back and check on G***e, erm at one point, probably not that long after, maybeabout ten thirty or something,Gerry and I looked at, up at the stairwell and kind of across all the floors of the block that we were in, erm and that was really the, that was all the searching that I really did, just up the stairs, I think they were five floors or something”.

It was just really a quick you know, it would have been aboutfive minutes, it was just up the flights and along the, you know the sort of verandas in front of the apartments



then I went back downstairs and really just sort of stood by Jane and we were just waiting for the Police to come, erm which you know took ages, I remember ringing Matt at least once or twice to say you know, look have you rung them, where are they, erm and I think at one point he did come back up again and the Police still hadn’t arrived and I think Gerry’s told him to go back down and ring them again, erm and then, I you know, didn’t really see him much or at all, I think they went off searching sort of down at the beach and around the village,
 




10.45pm   Gerry’s told him (Matt) to go back down and ring them again, I didn’t go all the way, turned back, as I came back, erm, you now, I bumped into the, the woman I described before, early twenties, fair hair, given the light, English, possibly a MARK WARNER employee,



and then did a, a, a comb through various streets, erm, not with any great, erm, plan but just to try and cover some area on the way back up to the, the apartments. And then obviously got back up to the apartments



by the time we got back from this I think, you know, there was, there were other people were certainly starting to congregate and, in fact, I think some people were starting to search, mainly staff from MARK WARNER



I probably went round to Jane before I’d done this, this sort of leg to the beach and back, but it may have been, it may have been that I actually went round at this point.



Jane was stood in the doorway, I think almost certainly with Rachael, possibly with Fiona as well. Erm, and, you know, I went up and she was, you know, clearly very, very distressed,
 22:45:05 xxxx texts Matthew Oldfield

22:51:24 Rachael Oldfield calls Matthew Oldfield for 15 seconds

22:58:29 Matthew texts Rachael

22:59:12 Rachael texts Matthew


 I remember ringing Matt at least once or twice to say you know, look have you rung them, where are they, erm and I think at one point he did come back up again and the Police still hadn’t arrived 

I think Gerry’s told him to go back down and ring them again, erm and then, I you know, didn’t really see him much or at all, I think they went off searching sort of down at the beach and around the village,
   , before I spoke to the Police is some of the, I
think when they realised she was missing, MARK WARNER sort of got everybody
searching and I can remember some of the Nannies coming to the door and they took
my number, my phone number, my mobile number and said ‘If we hear anything
we’ll give you, we’ll let you know’ and that was three of the Nannies. And Exx was
still up at that time because I can remember them sort of, you know, saying ‘Oh hi
Exx’,

 
22:45:05 xxxx texts Matthew Oldfield

22:51:24 Rachael Oldfield calls Matthew Oldfield for 15 seconds

22:58:29 Matthew texts Rachael

22:59:12 Rachael texts Matthew


“Erm well most of the time I spent talking to Jane and sort of checking on G***e, erm and saw, I remember the nannies coming up to talk to us, some of the Mark WARNER nannies and they’d been searching and looking round the village and sort of you know, rallying friends and people that they knew, erm I mean we were waiting for the Police for a lot of that time cos they didn’t turn up for ages
 


11.00pm  when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn’t, you know, so much as blink”.

23:14:51 Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds
 23:14:51 Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds
  23:00:18 Matthew texts Rachael

23:05:44 Matthew texts Rachael

23:06:17 Rachael calls Matthew for 59 seconds
23:24:31 Rachael texts Matthew
   as soon, the Police, when the Police came, I know Rachael went straight away to get them to say, so that I could tell the GNR, 23:00:18 Matthew texts Rachael

23:05:44 Matthew texts Rachael

23:06:17 Rachael calls Matthew for 59 seconds



when the GNR did arrive, erm you know, they came to say hello and erm Sylvia was there with them and so was Robert MURAT, erm there were other people sort of milling around in the background but Sylvia introduced herself and so did Robert MURAT, erm I mean he just introduced himself to me as Robert and we shook hands, erm and then sort of remember talking to somebody from I think, think (inaudible) one of the apartments on the floor above, sort of an older guy, kind of said oh he went missing when he was a child for about ten days 




as soon, the Police, when the Police came, I know Rachael went straight away to get them to say, so that I could tell the GNR,
 


11.15pm 23:14
Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds



23:17:06 Gerry called Kate for 31 seconds

23:17:52 xxxx texts Kate
 
23:14
Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds

23:17:06 Gerry called Kate for 31 seconds


     23:24:31 Rachael texts Matthew 

after the Police arrived, erm I mean we were just you know talking about what we should do and then I thought of ringing James LANDALE and you know seeing if we could get it on the news, erm and made those phone calls, erm and then the PJ arrived, I don’t know what time that was though, probablyabout two-ish or something,
 

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Post by HiDeHo on 25.03.18 6:30

11.30pm  23:40:00 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 00:11:13       
11.45pm  23:52:18 Gerry calls Kennedy’s of Leicester for 00:02:30 
       
MIDNIGHT  00:00:27 Kate calls her Mum & Dad for 128 seconds


00:11:01 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 6 seconds


00:13:50 Kate calls her Mum & Dad for 407 seconds
 00:05:00 Gerry calls Kennedy’s of Leicester for 3 seconds

00:05:45 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 3 seconds

00:06:15 Gerry calls Kennedy’s of Leicester for 00:02:47


00:13:14 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 3 seconds
  00:08:01 Matthew texts Rachael

00:08:12 xxxx texts Matthew (says in his interview that he doesn't recognise the number
     


12.15am   00:20:00 Gerry calls sister Philomena McCann



00:21:36 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 23 seconds



00:23:12 Gerry calls brother John’s mobile for 00:03:55

00:27:07 Trish Cameron calls Gerry for 00:02:28

00:29:37 Angela Morado (British Consulate) calls Gerry for 00:04:53

  00:20:08 Rachael texts Matthew
  00:20:37 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 22 seconds

00:21:41 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 3 seconds
 

00:20:37 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 22 seconds

00:21:41 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 3 seconds
 00:20:08 Rachael texts Matthew
 


12.30am  00:36:21 Kate calls xxxx for 31 seconds

00:37:05 xxxx texts Kate


00:39:58 Kate calls xxxx for 34 seconds

00:40:50 xxxx texts Kate

 00:38:40 Sister Philomena calls Gerry for 00:06:40
       00:34:31 Dianne Webster calls home for 478 seconds

12.45am  

00:45:49 Kate calls xxxx (Possibly Parents) for 31 seconds

00:47:23 Aurelio Mendes Guerreiro (Pat Perkin’s friend, owner of the Pacifico Bar, Vilamoura, 1 hour drive East of Luz) calls Kate (but speaks to a male) for 239 seconds


00:53:08 xxxx texts Kate 
 00:45:15 Kennedy’s of Leicester call Gerry for 00:01:18

00:47:41 Angela Morado (British Consulate) calls Gerry for 00:02:15
       
 1.00am 01:02:08 Aurelio Mendes Guerreiro (Pat Perkin’s friend, owner of the Pacifico Bar, Vilamoura, 1 hour drive East of Luz) calls Kate for 223 seconds
        


 1.15am  01:16:11 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:01:57



01:29:58 Sister Philomena calls Gerry for 00:03:36
   01:17:17 David Payne calls Dianne Webster for 92 seconds    01:17:17 David Payne calls Dianne Webster for 92 seconds
 1.30am  01:43:55 xxxx (Possibly mum Eileen) calls Gerry for 00:03:29
      01:42:55 Rachael calls Kath Landale for 75 seconds


01:58:33 Kath Landale calls Rachael for 00:06:58
 
 1.45am         



2.00am 02:07:03 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna - No further info available        
 2.15am 02:18:29 xxxx texts Kate

02:20:03 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna

02:21:12 Kate texts xxxx



02:23:27 xxxx texts Kate

02:27:28 Kate calls xxxx
       02:22:45 Kath Landale calls Rachael for 125 seconds 
 2.30am 02:33:28 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 692 seconds

02:33:38 xxxx texts Matthew

02:38:58 Lynda & Mark McQueen landline calls Kate for 585 seconds
        




KATE GERRY ROB MO  DPFP JT  RMO DW
2.45am  02:53:49 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 16 seconds
        
3.00am 03:05:03 xxxx (Possibly Paul Seddon - McCann Priest) texts Kate

03:06:17 Kate texts xxxx (Possibly Paul Seddon)

03:06:54 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 5 seconds

03:07:38 Kate calls Jon Corner Mobile for 3 seconds

03:08:33 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 3 seconds

03:09:05 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 4 seconds

03:10:29 Kate calls xxxx for 10 seconds
        
3.15am  03:20:21 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 14 seconds

03:23:28 Jon Corner Mobile calls Kate for 184 seconds

03:28:46 Jon Corner Mobile calls Kate for 416 seconds

   I think we went to bed about three, maybe might have been a bit later but we did think we ought to go and get some sleep, erm cos there wasn’t really much that we could do,    I think we went to bed about three, maybe might have been a bit later but we did think we ought to go and get some sleep, erm cos there wasn’t really much that we could do, 
3.30am  03:31:13 xxxx texts Kate

03:39:04 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 207 seconds
        
3.45am 03:55:21 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

03:55:56 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile) 
        


4.00am  04:03:44 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

04:05:40 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

04:12:33 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

 04:14:44 Gerry texts xxxx
       
4.15am

04:22:12 xxxx texts Kate

  04:19:02 xxxx (Possibly Sandy Cameron mobile) texts Gerry

04:20:34 Brother John (mobile) texts Gerry
       
4.30am 04:31:30 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

04:36:30 xxxx (Unidentified UK Mobile) calls Kate for 1727 seconds
(just less than half hour)

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"About 23:00 that night I received a very embarrassed call from my wife's mother who told me about Madeleine's disappearance. Aunt Nora, from Canada, was in Skipton and was about to return to Canada the next morning. I suggested I drive Nora back to Liverpool. We all thought that Madeleine was going to appear in the following hours, therefore I drove Nora back to Liverpool in the early morning of Friday, 4 May. I stayed in Liverpool.I spoke to Kate by phone between 10:00 and 11:00am that morningand she confirmed that she wanted her mother, her father and Nora with her."
Hmmmm....in the early morning. Conveniently vague, but I imagine MW took Nora there straight away, say at midnight, to join Sue, Brian and PP who may have been about to finish her duty by then.
Between 10 and 11.Well, if harmony's ident is correct, he spoke to her for 28 minutes between 4 and 5, never mind 10 and 11.
0422 KM receives text from Eileen (GM's mother). Eileen had rung her son at 0144, and had to do so again at 0723 and 0751 - the mean bar-steward wouldn't ring her. Eileen had also texted KM on 2 May at 0853. She must be a typical doting mother - no doubt she still thinks the sun shines forth out of their posteriors. Or Gerry's, anyway.
0436 MW? rings KM for 28m 45s.
0455 KM replies to Eileen's text.
        
4.45am  04:52:16 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

04:55:54 Kate texts xxxx

        


5.00am         
5.15am         
5.30am          
5.45am         
6.00am  06:02:08 Susan Healy mobile texts Kate

06:04:11 Kate texts her Mum’s mobile

06:05:29 Kate calls Amanda’s home landline for 702 seconds

06:08:17 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate


06:18:17 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)


06:34:53 xxxx texts Kate


06:39:38 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

06:47:42 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

06:59:12 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

06:59:44 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile) 
       
06:26:30 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 447 seconds


06:38:39 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 262 seconds

G***e was always up sort of about six, half six, erm and when we got up you know everything was quiet outside, they didn’t seem you know the Police didn’t seem to be around or, there didn’t seem to be any activity,
 


7.00am  07:41:14 Jill Renwick calls Kate for 210 seconds

07:44:48 Kate activates Luz Centro 1 Antenna (Withheld)

07:46:36 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - (Withheld)

07:48:12 xxxx calls Kate

 07:06:06 xxxx (Possibly Sandy Cameron mobile) texts Gerry

07:09:04 Brother John (mobile) calls Gerry for 00:03:26

07:15:19 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:04:51

07:23:20 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:05:53


07:51:14 xxxx (Possibly Gerry’s mum Eileen) calls Gerry for 00:01:26

      07:52:58 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:01:14

07:55:26 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:01:45

07:57:55 xxxx (Leicestershire landline) calls Rachael for 00:02:04

 


8.00am 
08:06:14 Susan Healy (Mum’s) mobile texts Kate

08:07:52 Kate texts her Mum’s (Susan Healy) mobile



08:11:55 Jill Renwick calls Kate for 116 seconds



08:27:26 xxxx texts Kate

08:28:50 Kate texts xxxx (same number as above) back

08:29:56 xxxx (same number again) texts Kate back

08:31 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner

08:31 Kate called Michelle Corner Mobile

08:31:21 Jill Renwick calls Kate for 153 seconds


08:34:09 Kate calls xxxx for 32 seconds

08:34:19 Kate calls Jon Corner Mobile for 61 seconds

08:34:59 xxxx (Possibly Message Centre) texts Kate

08:35:31 Kate calls xxxx for 20 seconds

08:36:03 Kate calls xxxx for 37 seconds

08:45:20 Kate calls xxxx

08:51:42 Kate texts xxxx

08:52:41 Kate calls Jon Corner Mobile for 75 seconds

08:56:15 Kate calls Nuala for 47 seconds

08:57:17 Jill Renwick texts Kate


 08:35:15 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:01:43

08:50:27 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:04:47
 08:13:19 Russell O’Brien calls his mum on home landline in Liverpool for 169 seconds
 Matt took G***e up for breakfast to the Millennium, erm and they came back, 08:09:56 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, calls David Payne for 71 seconds


08:53:07 David Payne calls his Mum for 127 seconds



   
08:05:11 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:00:42

08:06:13 Rachael’s Mum texts Rachael


08:08:14 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:02:07

08:08:18 xxxx texts Rachael


08:10:31 Rachael calls Voicemail Retrieval for 00:00:49

08:11:27 xxxx texts Rachael


08:13:19 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:05:26 (Network/Location withheld)

08:20:44 (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:01:44



08:33:32 (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 76 seconds

08:42:14 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:07:43


08:46:50 xxxx texts Rachael


08:50:32 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:00:50


08:53:56 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:11:42

08:57:37 Kath Landale texts Rachael 

I remember having, sort of being on the phone a little bit to the BBC I think that morning, erm and then sort of various phone calls, I talked to John CORNER who’s a friend of Gerry and Kate’s, erm cos the BBC wanted a picture of Madeleine, erm and he had some photos that he was going to be able to send them
 


9.00am 






09:09:32 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

09:09:44 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

09:10:39 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

09:12:04 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.







09:25:51 xxxx texts Kate

09:26:03 xxxx texts Kate

09:29:18 Jill Renwick texts Kate

09:30:02 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


09:33:22 Jon & Michelle Corner call Kate for 335 seconds

09:33:25 Kate calls xxxx for 57 seconds

09:34:42 901 (Message Centre?) texts Kate


09:37:04 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

09:41:09 xxxx texts Gerry


09:45:21 Fiona & Richard (from Leicester) call Kate for 105 seconds

09:46:23 Jill Renwick texts Kate

09:47:48 Kate calls 901 (Message Centre?) for 58 seconds


09:49:50 xxxx texts Kate

09:50:23 xxxx texts Kate

09:50:38 Kate texts xxxx

09:51:12 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


09:55:14 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


09:58:53 xxxx texts Kate

09:59:20 xxxx texts Kate

09:59:31 xxxx texts Kate
 09:01:55 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:01:45


09:04:16 xxxx (Possibly Gerry’s mum Eileen ) calls Gerry for 00:01:28

09:05:38 NUMBER WITHHELD / BLANKED OUT calls Gerry for 00:02:12


09:14:28 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:03:58

09:16:07 xxxx texts Gerry


09:30:47 xxxx texts Gerry

09:35:51 Gerry texts xxxx




09:41:52 NUMBER WITHHELD / BLANKED OUT calls Gerry for 00:07:07

09:49:01 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:01:42
09:57:04 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:02:36



   09:51:14 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, calls David Payne for 95 seconds
  09:04:46 Jane Tanner texts Charlotte Gorrod

09:12:38 Jane Tanner calls her mum for 240 seconds

 
09:02:44 xxxx texts Rachael

09:02:58 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:00:01


09:14:17 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:01:10

09:22:53 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:03:27





we would have taken G***e to crèche I think for about nine half nine I think
 


10.00am
10:01:06 Kate texts xxxx



10:03:06 Kate activates Luz 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


10:06:23 xxxx calls Kate for 272 seconds



10:16:21 xxxx texts Kate


10:17:16 Kate activates Luz 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.



10:18:21 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

10:20:42 Kate calls her Mum’s Mobile for 171 seconds



10:26:38 xxxx calls Kate for 16 seconds

10:27:24 xxxx calls Kate for 54 seconds

10:30:22 Kate calls Fiona & Richard





10:33:20 Kate activates Lagos Centro DCS 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:34:57 Kate activates Praia Porto MOS 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:35:49 Geetisha Mobile calls Kate (activated Bensafrim 1 Antenna)

10:38:38 Kate activates Odiaxere Norte 2 Antenna

10:40:00 Kate activates Odiaxere Norte 1 Antenna


10:44:53 Kate activates Portimao 1 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:45:24 xxxx calls Kate (Portimao 1 Antenna)


10:46:52 Kate activates Portimao DCS 2 Antenna

10:48:38 Kate activates Portimao Estadio DCS 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.



10:49:50 Kate activates Portimao Centro 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:51:46 Kate activates Portimao Centro 1 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


10:53:32 Kate activates Portimao Centro 1 Antenna

10:55:45 Kate activates Portimao Centro 1 Antenna



10:57:51 Jill Renwick Mobile calls Kate (activates Portimao Centro DCS 1 Antenna)


 about ten, half ten Gerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.
 




10:01:17 Gerry calls Kate’s parents, The Healy’s, for 00:05:57


10:06:08 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:02:52

10:11:21 NUMBER WITHHELD / BLANKED OUT calls Gerry for 00:08:22


10:42:58 NUMBER WITHHELD calls Gerry (while on way to Portimao cop shop)


10:56:07 Brother John (mobile) calls Gerry (In Portimao) for 00:01:12

10:59:09 Kennedy’s of Leicester call Gerry (in Portimao) for 49 seconds



about ten, half tenGerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.

 10:32:57 Russell texts Jane

10:49:43 Russell calls xxxx for 63 seconds


10:52:04 Russell calls his work (Prof AN - in France at the time) for 13 seconds

10:53:10 Russell calls another work colleague, TW, for 241 seconds
 about ten, half tenGerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.
 10:16:32 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, texts David Payne

10:30:51 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, texts David Payne


 10:32:57 Russell texts Jane
 

about ten, half tenGerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.
 10:17:35 xxxx calls Rachael for 253 seconds

10:31:06 xxxx calls Rachael for 261 seconds

10:55:48 xxxx (BBC or British Consulate?) calls Rachael for 210 seconds
 10:26:04 Dianne Webster’s home (husband) calls Dianne’s Mobile for 860 seconds

10:45:31 Dianne Webster calls xxxx for 31 seconds


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