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McCanns and friends face new grilling as first quiz 'open to error

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Post by willowthewisp on 03.10.17 14:26

@JRP wrote:Willow,
I would argue that certain police officers, coroners, lawyers, are put in place as they are known to be compliant to a certain cause. Whether it be a little girl reported missing, or a man shot dead on a tube train, the chain of command swings into action to shape public opinion.
Hi JRP,so what you are saying is in order to protect"Society"that certain types of people in certain positions be allowed to commit to these actions,that is Okay,MI5/6,Yes,No?

We have a UK Police force who claim to be the "Best in the World" at solving Crimes,but what you have alluded to is that"Person's within these ranks"be allowed to distort,fabricate,alter events to fit the scenario,whether it to be a child missing as in,Madeleine or a man shot dead on a Tube Train(Jean Charles)Cressida Dick?
Whilst others within this World will see that they are prepared to commit to Perjury in order to protect a"Brotherhood" or to Favour certain elements within their society,but not general Society where the plebs live,Soylent Green,type of World,Big Brother 1984,George Orwell,Cannon fodder?
So the society you refer to has always had Two sets of rules,One for the Plebicite's to conform to and the Elite,Echelon's be excused their peccadillo's,to go unpunished,by Ma Learned friends,from the House of Common's,Lords chambers,who have allowed for this system to Run for so long?
It would seem by the latest comments from CMMoM,members,that they can see what may pertain what could be likely to Happen on Operation Grange,where the "statements" have lost there meaning in "Translation",so if you cannot solve the Crime,be prepared to step back to an age where we where once "Very Proficient" at with Police statements from yesteryear,Birmingham six anyone,any Alarm bells going off in your heads yet,ding,ding?
Ah but that's okay to fit someone up,as long as it isn't you?

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Post by JRP on 03.10.17 15:06

I know Willow, I saw what SharonL said, and she may be correct.

But if Operation Grange is only given £154,000 which is the same as last time, which could mean that they're doing pretty much the same routine, then it can't include money to fund a whole re-questioning scam. Unless of course they're cutting down on the lager and sardine sandwiches this time.

Why don't they just translate Kate's book to English?

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Post by willowthewisp on 03.10.17 15:28

@JRP wrote:I know Willow, I saw what SharonL said, and she may be correct.

But if Operation Grange is only given £154,000 which is the same as last time, which could mean that they're doing pretty much the same routine, then it can't include money to fund a whole re-questioning scam. Unless of course they're cutting down on the lager and sardine sandwiches this time.

Why don't they just translate Kate's book to English?
Why not revert to the original Portugal Police Detective,Mr Goncalo Amaral,"The Truth Of the Lie"as it is based on the original Portugal PJ inquiry,you know the,Bungling four hr lunches,Sardines,swilling copius amounts of wine siesta time,not looking for a missing  child?
Going by past events,timings on Defamation case running in alongside Operation Grange,then now the challenge to Portugal,Supreme Court Ruling,ECHR,March 2018?
Someone within the Government knows how long the process must take to now prolong the funding,When this challenge is refused or no case to answer,then Operation Grange will wind up,No action by them continues the theme,"Innocent until Proven Otherwise" Not Proven as they say in Scotland,eh Gerald?

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Post by Verdi on 03.10.17 15:43

@JRP wrote:But if Operation Grange is only given £154,000
Surely that won't even cover six months salaries?

A team of four officers - that's less than £40,000 a piece on my digital abacus.  Either the famous four are the lowest grade officers possible, or they really are employing the tea-trolley to wo/man the phones.

It's a farce beginning to end - whenever that might be.

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Re: McCanns and friends face new grilling as first quiz 'open to error

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 06.10.17 13:22

Snipped from Textusa's blog: http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/the-botched-magician.html

The Sutton card

Can the UK trust what Mr Barnier has said publicly during the Brexit talks?

Or can the EU trust what Mr Davis has said during the same briefings?

According to Collin Sutton they can’t.

The UK has to trust that what their translators are saying is indeed what Mr Barnier has said and as there is no other country, with the exceltion of Ireland in the EU 27 that has English as an official language, each one of these 26 countries has to trust that their own translators are saying what Mr Davis has said.

Translators leave enormous room for error, so says Sutton:

“Former Met detective chief inspector Collin Sutton, said: “I would conduct fresh interviews with all the key British witnesses. We’re talking about interviews given by the McCanns and friends through an interpreter, written down in Portuguese and then translated back into English so officers from Grange can read them. The room for error would be enormous.””

Let’s first set aside the incompetence that Sutton is explicitly accusing the PJ of, again according to him and only him, that the PJ Files official documentation may contain English to Portuguese translation mistakes.

And the extreme incompetence of SY for not have realised that possibility only now after all these years and millions.

Let’s explain how things happen in a PJ questioning that is not being video recorded, which was the case in the 2007 PJ interviews.

Let’s start with the PJ questioning a Portuguese individual.

A question is asked in Portuguese, the individual answers in Portuguese and then and there, the answer is typed. Only then is the process repeated the times it’s needed to be.

At the end, the individual reads his/her answers, and if agrees that it was what s/he said, signs the statement.

Now with questioning a foreign individual. A translator is present.

The question is addressed to the translator. The translator translates it to the questioned individual who answers in his/her native language. The translator translates answer to Portuguese and that answer is there and then typed. Only then the next question is asked using the same procedure.

At the end, the translator reads and translates each answer given by the questioned and s/he agrees with it. Then BOTH the translator and the questioned sign the statement.

This procedure is not done to minimise any translating error. It is done to eliminate any possible room for error.

Once the statement is signed, the document becomes legally binding with all the consequences that implicates.

Mr Sutton, as a former police officer knows this. For him to question it must be because he has other reasons than the pursuance of truth. But we already knew that.

One signs a witness statement to agree it’s accuracy. If any doubt, one shouldn’t sign.

And there’s been plenty of time for witnesses to object after PJ files released and none have.

Plus, the McCanns have said they paid a lot of for files to be translated for them.

Again, pathetic and again quoting our friend, beyond sad.

Why is Sutton doing this?

Desperate times require desperate actions even if they are ridiculous and shameless.

Sutton is the other sides’ last ‘credible’ card.

How can anyone give this man any credibility is beyond us.

A man who in the Sun article by Neal Baker, Jon Lockett, Paul Harper and Gemma Mullin published Oct 2 2017, 9:05 am (updated: 2nd October 2017, 9:07 am) “THE HUNT GOES ON: What happened to Madeleine McCann, how many alleged sightings have there been and what’s the latest in the investigation?” has this said about him:

“Former Scotland Yard detective Colin Sutton says the most “most likely and credible scenario” for Maddie’s disappearance is a targeted kidnap - possibly to replace some grieving parents’ own dead child.”

This article, on this particular issue, links up to a previous one by the same paper but this time by Laura Burnip published on April 22 2017 “WAS MADDIE KIDNAPPED TO ORDER? Top Brit ex-cop says Madeleine McCann could have been snatched by traffickers to replace grieving parents’ own dead child” in which it is said:

“A TOP ex-cop believes Madeleine McCann could have been taken by people traffickers at the demand of grieving parents to replace their own dead child.

Former Scotland Yard detective Colin Sutton says the most "most likely and credible scenario" for Maddie's disappearance is a targeted kidnap - once those closely linked to the tot have been ruled out.”

And to those claiming that he hasn’t read much on the case, let us remember what he has said in his own blog on May 9 2017:

“At the outset I should say that I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann.  All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at – does not convince me of any theory or scenario being proved.”

So it seems he has read quite a lot.

But if some people insist on giving him credibility there’s nothing we can do about it.

However, in our opinion, someone from the other side is using this supposed credibility that Sutton is supposed to still have.

Sutton is laying out the excuse for many – all those who have much to answer for when the dam finally breaks – and who will use it when things will get tough: blame having been fooled on the PJ translators (one of which, we must remind people, was Robert Murat later an arguido and a person of interest for questioning by Operation Grange).

These people – and we are thinking of one in particular – will say they were fooled by the McCanns because of the errors in the translations.

It’s absolutely pathetic but what else do they hold on to outside it?
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Ref;McCann's and friends quizzed?

Post by willowthewisp on 06.10.17 15:20

Hi GGG,so safe to assume that independent Former Police detective is unbiased with regard to the Portugal PJ translations,remember when your Police officer colleagues were very proficient at shaping Police statements,Colin,Birmingham Six,Murders in London,false statements,now all of a sudden,the monopoly cards are produced,ding,ding?
clutching at straws time,technicalities, all T's and I's dotted,eh Colin?

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