Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017

Verdi wrote:

By the Sunday evening [13th May 2007], we found ourselves giving our statements again, this time to a couple of detectives from Control Risks. 

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skyrocket wrote:@Verdi - Goncalo Amaral was entirely correct when he said that Yvonne Martin believed she had come across David Payne before in her professional capacity, either as a witness or a suspect:

Thus you confirm my point @skyrocket by selecting random words and re-presenting out of context.  Whatever the mode of misrepresentation it doesn't alter the fact that some of Goncalo Amaral's words, as transcribed from this interview, are not accurate.  As I said originally, he is theorizing as he did back in the summer of 2007 (sounds like a shcool reunion), using witness statements as a base.  There is nothing revelationary to be found in this interview - it is but a reiteration of his theorizing and the PJ investigation during his time served as case coordinator.

If Dr Amaral has something explosive secreted then spectators must wait until such times as he feels it right to reveal - I don't think that will be by way of the media!  He knows above all others how manipulative and damaging they can be.

I repeat, this is not a criticism of Dr Amaral,  I don't believe this interview was intended to reveal anything sensational.  The important thing is that Goncalo Amaral has his voice back following the vindictive hounding by the McCanns and thanks to HiDeHo an English version!

Good to know you're still keeping a casual eye on my forum presence .

Phoebe wrote:In fairness there is information in this video that is more than a mere rehashing of what is in the files to which we now have access. For example, Dr Amaral speaks of Jez having seen a woman dressed in purple, smoking outside Jane Tanner's apartment. This detail is not in any file I have read so I assume it came from conversation with Jez during interviewing but was not recorded.

FROM FILES wrote:Processos Vol XIII

Pages 3998 – 3999

External Activity Report

Date: 08 – 11 – 2007

Place: Vilamoura

Responsible Officers: García do Santos, Rodrigo & Ricardo Paiva, Inspectors


Description and result of activity

On this date at 23.50 we went to the Pacífico Bar, located in the Vilamoura Marina in the Marina Lusa complex.

There we personally contacted the owner of the bar, Aurélio Mendes Guerreiro, in order to find out in what circumstances two phone calls were made from the fixed telephone at the bar nº 289301562 to the mobile nº 447903108397 belonging to Kate Healy on 4th May 2007 at 00.47 and at 01.02.

Aurélio Guerreiro explained that both phone calls were made by him as he had been asked by an English lady who at the time of the events was in England, called Pat Perkins, who had been a client of his some years ago and used to spend her holidays in Vilamoura, asking him to help a British couple who were on holiday in P da L and whose daughter had gone missing.

According to what he said, Pat Perkins lives in Liverpool and is a friend of Kate Healy’s mother and was in Kate’s mother’s house when she phoned him to ask for help for the McCann couple. As it was not possible for him to go to P da L personally, he contacted the mobile number Pat Perkins had given him, saying it was the couple’s number and spoke in English with a man, whose identity he does not know and whom he told of his willingness to help in anything that was necessary in relation to the disappearance of the little girl, whom he later knew to be Madeleine McCann.

He added that a few days later, on 7th May, the same Pat Perkins sent him an email containing a request for help to find Madeleine and containing an annex with a photo of Madeleine for public distribution.

Joined in annex are photos of the bar and a copy of the email.

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13 Processos Vol XIII Pages 3459 - 3461

13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3459 13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3460 13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3461 Witness Statement   Aurelio Mendes Guerreiro   Date: 2007-11-16   Location: Portimao DIC   Place of Work : Pacifico Bar, Vilamoura   He is the owner of the Pacifico Bar situated in the Vila Lusa building, rua Clube Nautico in Vilamoura, which has a land telephone line number ******. On the night of the events being investigated, the witness made two calls from the fixed line in the bar to the number ******** belonging to Kate McCann. These calls were made at a time he does not remember, but it was already night time, the first call was made at about 00.30 on 4th May 2007 and the second was made about 30 minutes later.   He clarifies that before making these calls he was contacted by an English customer and friend of his, called Pat Perkins who says that she was at the house of some friends in England, called Sue and Brian and that they had received the news that their grand daughter, who was staying in Lagos on holiday with her parents, had disappeared. Pat Perkins asked the witness to help the girl's parents as much as he could, giving him the number ******* to contact. The witness made a phone call to the PJ and another to the GNR to find out whether the authorities were aware of the disappearance and established that this was the case. On the other hand, after this he contacted the number he had been given by Pat Perkins to offer his help in any way he could be of use. He spoke twice to a male individual who spoke English. The first time that he rang he said that he was a friend of Pat Perkin's and then tried to find out if they had contacted the authorities and was told they had. He told the individual that he would find out whether the authorities were already making inquiries and get back in touch with him. He said that the individual did not really inform him about what had happened, in other words he did not tell him whether the girl had disappeared or been abducted or anything else.   The second time he phoned the number that Pat had given him he told the individual that the authorities were already involved in the situation and offered his help for whatever was necessary and making his telephone number available to the person he spoke to. When asked by the individual he said that he was in Vilamoura, about an hour away and the person told the witness that if he needed his help he would contact him later. After this the witness called Pat to tell her what he had found out and what he had done. He did not have any other contact with any other person related to the events and knows no more about the incident. He is totally unaware of the circumstances surrounding the disappearance apart from what he has heard from the news reports. But he adds that some days later, on 7th May, Pat sent him an email again asking him to help look for the girl and sending him a photograph of her. As said before, this was Pat Perkins who lives in Liverpool, England and who is a friend of Kate's mother and who was at Kate's mother's house when she phoned him to ask him to help the McCann couple.   No more is said.  Reads, ratifies, signs

HiDeHo wrote:@ HideHo    Stopping by for a moment or two to thank you and your translator very much for this most valuable effort. It is informative, whilst actually perhaps raising more questions than providing answers. Clearly the translation was by a Portuguese lady and it might be helpful to run it past someone whose mother tongue is English as that would give greater clarity and perhaps make a few passages of the transcript easier to grasp.  No criticism of anyone, just an observation.     

I have many questions about some of the comments made in the video.

REPLY: Yes, so do I.

Why did the phone call from Vilamoura feature as important?

REPLY: I don't understand that either. It seems a complete red herring, there is no corroborative evidence in support of a sighting and a great deal of evidence against it.

How could the key on the counter be evidence of anything?

REPLY: Indeed! Ask me another.

Why does Goncalo suggest the case not coming to any conclusions was because of political pressure, when we know the case was due to be shelved in July as the 14 months (8 months plus 2 x 3 month extensions) after an arguido declared.

REPLY: The evidence of 'political pressure;' is surely overwhelming, so I am 110% with Amaral on that one. We have:
1. Vast numbers of government, security services, Ambassadors, police and top PR men descending on  Prais da Luz in the first few days
2. Many more examples of government involvement in the months after that
3. Amaral denied the Gaspar statements
4. Amaral removed from the investigation probably due to British political pressure
5. Lukewarm approach by the PJ to the evidence after Amaral was removed from the case
6. Overwhelming evidence since 2008 of the British government covering up the truth...
..and so much more.         

The three figures seen entering the church with a sack in July.  The hypothesis is that it's possible that Maddie's body was put in the coffin of a lady.  Goncalo does not mean it DID happen, only that it is one of the many possibilites in the investigation.  Maybe there was another reason the three figures were going into the church with a sack...

REPLY: Yes, he does say elsewhere it is one of a number of possibilities. Every time I have seen mention of 'the widow in the coffin', I have looked in vain for these details:
A. Who is the source of this story?
B. What was the source doing out on the streets of Praia da Luz, at 3am/4am, in the morning, just before dawn?
C. When (on what precise date) did the source see these three shadowy figures, and
D. When did the source report his sighting - and to whom?

Can you - or anyone else - help with this please? 
   
I found lots of information in the video that is not widely known, or at least, not given the explanations or hypothesis from the files.

REPLY: I found a fair amount, but not 'lots'. I do disagree with respect that we only know '10%' of what the PJ know. I realize that some things have been held back, but I think no too many. We know an awful lot from those files!     

David Payne was (apparently) seen on the McCanns' balcony by Mrs Fenn.  Its not something that is in the files but has been featured in other (non translated videos).  His suggestion that David Payne was there to help bathe the children was not something that had entered my head, and because I believe something happened earlier I tend to think it was more about the preparation of the 'abduction', but Goncalo offers it as a possibility.

REPLY: There is evidence, as per the Tavares de Almeida Interim Report of 10 Sep 2007, that the 'crime scene' in the children's room was deliberately staged. If Madeleine suffered a significant event back on Sunday/Monday as some here think, then whether David Payne  or Matthew Oldfield or Russell O'Brien was seen on the balcony before or around 10.00pm on 3 May, it doesn't really matter. It would all be in connection with the preparation of the abduction scene. Amaral, still believing strongly that Madeleine died after 6pm on the Thursday, has in the past insinuated that something bad happened to Madeleine while David Payne was bathing her. I am unable to agree. The evidence to me is clear: the David Payne-Kate McCann meeting was probably fabricated just to lend weight to the claim that Madeleine was still alive at 6.30pm/7pm that Thursday evening.        
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We have been told by Goncalo Amaral that they received a report from FSS that Madeleine's blood was in the rental car (which they based the arguido interviews on apparently) but it was then claimed to have been changed.  Goncalo says that this report should exist and one day be found.  This is not something that we are privy to in the files.

REPLY: I think Amaral may be 100% right about that. The PJ could well have removed that first document from the files after Amaral was booted off the case.

I agree that any comments from Goncalo Amaral have been known from the beginning, but not all of them are included in the files or shared in discussions.

REPLY: From about 19 minutes to 24 minutes on the video, Amaral dwells on Smithman and still seems to think that it would ne useful to interview the Smiths again. As is well known on CMOMM, I cannot possibly agree with him on that. I think it likely that no-one, for whatever reason, has yet been able to show him all the mountain of evidence that Martin Smith's brief and very tentative claim that he and his family saw Gerry carrying Madeleine that night has zero credibility.

Amaral thinks it reasonable for Martin Smith to have 'recognised' Gerry McCann from 'the way he was holding Sean' - especially four months after he only glimpsed the man for a second or two in the dark, adding on 26 May 2007: "I would never be able to recognise him if I saw him again".

I would like Amaral to see a Portuguese translation of the OPs in SMITHMAN1 to SMITHMAN 10.

And Richard Hall's second film: 'The Phantoms' >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0-ePd3FCU
      
And I would like him to be aware of how Nuno Lourenco lied to him about Wojchiech Krokowski.

Tony Bennett wrote:

HiDeHo wrote:@ HideHo    Stopping by for a moment or two to thank you and your translator very much for this most valuable effort. It is informative, whilst actually perhaps raising more questions than providing answers. Clearly the translation was by a Portuguese lady and it might be helpful to run it past someone whose mother tongue is English as that would give greater clarity and perhaps make a few passages of the transcript easier to grasp.  No criticism of anyone, just an observation.     

I have many questions about some of the comments made in the video.

REPLY: Yes, so do I.

Why did the phone call from Vilamoura feature as important?

REPLY: I don't understand that either. It seems a complete red herring, there is no corroborative evidence in support of a sighting and a great deal of evidence against it.

How could the key on the counter be evidence of anything?

REPLY: Indeed! Ask me another.

Why does Goncalo suggest the case not coming to any conclusions was because of political pressure, when we know the case was due to be shelved in July as the 14 months (8 months plus 2 x 3 month extensions) after an arguido declared.

REPLY: The evidence of 'political pressure;' is surely overwhelming, so I am 110% with Amaral on that one. We have:
1. Vast numbers of government, security services, Ambassadors, police and top PR men descending on  Prais da Luz in the first few days
2. Many more examples of government involvement in the months after that
3. Amaral denied the Gaspar statements
4. Amaral removed from the investigation probably due to British political pressure
5. Lukewarm approach by the PJ to the evidence after Amaral was removed from the case
6. Overwhelming evidence since 2008 of the British government covering up the truth...
..and so much more. 

HiDeHo reply:  I agree that there WAS political pressure as Goncalo expresses, however I was just pointing out that it was going to be shelved (or someone charged) in July.   Maybe he was referring to the fact that they SHOULD have been charged as opposed to shelving, had it not been for the political pressure.  I didn't mean that comment as a negative one towards Goncalo, only that the law was in place to shelve or charge someone anyway, which some people don't realise.  

Gonçalo Amaral interview in Fafe wrote:Gonçalo Amaral: Look, in an investigation… I cannot speak about the case, I’m forbidden. A criminal investigation has a beginning, a middle and an end. That book, and that I can tell you, was the narrative of the 6 months of the criminal investigation, when I was coordinating it. What could have happened since then, we don’t know. I left the investigation, the investigation continued, remained open for more six months and its result was a premature archival. If the investigation had continued, and there are many diligences to be made, hundreds to be carried out - the process was not concluded with all the diligences - it could have even happened that which was said at a medium term, at that time, would not be established or it could have been confirmed. Therefore a criminal investigation always has to reach its end, so no ambiguities remain, speculations don’t thrive like it is happening at this moment, and also in order to not give material to certain conspiracy theories to flourish. I believe that that is the biggest problem of the investigations that do not reach an ending.

     

The three figures seen entering the church with a sack in July.  The hypothesis is that it's possible that Maddie's body was put in the coffin of a lady.  Goncalo does not mean it DID happen, only that it is one of the many possibilites in the investigation.  Maybe there was another reason the three figures were going into the church with a sack...

REPLY: Yes, he does say elsewhere it is one of a number of possibilities. Every time I have seen mention of 'the widow in the coffin', I have looked in vain for these details:
A. Who is the source of this story?
B. What was the source doing out on the streets of Praia da Luz, at 3am/4am, in the morning, just before dawn?
C. When (on what precise date) did the source see these three shadowy figures, and
D. When did the source report his sighting - and to whom?

Can you - or anyone else - help with this please? 

This is the translated portion of the video:

Female narrator: There are also new hints never investigated that the former PJ coordinator makes public. This is the case of the church

Amaral: In mid-July, when here on PDL there were not many journalists, no longer this pressure, 

are sighted on a certain night, almost dawn, three figures with a sack,

 entering the church through one of these side doors. 

Inside the church was an urn with the corpse of a lady from the United Kingdom. 

This urn was later on the following day for the incineration in Ferreira do Alentejo. 

They do not describe the figures, they do not identify anyone, they only say that they are 3 figures who entered through the side door.

This information comes to me in a certain way but in an interview that I gave, 2 years later, 

the journalist who was interviewing me that was from RAI says that she had indicated in her notebook the date that this information had arrived to her and that in fact coincided with what we had come to know. 

What is true is that someone with the key of the chapel, acceded and would take a heavy bag.

 I have contacted some undertakers who say that it is possible that a body of that child has been placed under the corpse of the other lady, namely under the legs. It is possible

The identity of this person I do not know what it is but it is possible that with this report someone will contact the CMTV

I recall reading more to this in another interview translation.  I will try to find it.


   
I found lots of information in the video that is not widely known, or at least, not given the explanations or hypothesis from the files.

REPLY: I found a fair amount, but not 'lots'. I do disagree with respect that we only know '10%' of what the PJ know. I realize that some things have been held back, but I think no too many. We know an awful lot from those files!     

The content in the files are the official details covering a certain amount of time during the investigation.  It does not cover the reports by all the police that attended that night, and the following days, (eg) only their statement summaries.

The first witness statements appear to be summaries and would not include the content of their conversations for the duration.

Kate's arguido questioning was for 13 hrs.  What was said/discussed during that time that was not recorded in the statments.

Ricado Paiva was in their presence as a 'friend' but none of the information was recorded in the files.

The McCanns met up with the PJ but we have no knowledge of what was said during that time.

There were likely hundreds/thousands of hours spent discussing the investigation by Goncalo Amaral and other detectives.

Where are all the details from the 200 (approx) officers that spent days visiting and talking to the residents and visiting locations etcetc.

Leicester police have not allowed their information to be known

The T7 as well as the McCanns have only covered a small portion of their timeline for that week (whether true or not)

Lets not forget the many news reports that include quotes or very specific details that are very possibly credible. 

eg:  The six corpses is claimed to be a myth, not said by Kate, but by a family member.  However,  Correo da Manha reported immediately following the interviews, about this comment that was claimed to have been Kate's response.  The family appear to have confirmed it AFTER the report from that night, giving the news article credibility.

Claims of a 48 hr warrant in preparation for an arrest of one of the friends from Exeter, which appears credible and specific in the news articles.  Its not something I include in discussions as not included  in files but I certainly retain the information


Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are following a new line of inquiry which could see them carry out a series of searches in the next 48 hours.

The developments mark the first departure from investigations centred on Robert Murat, the only formal suspect in the case, who has been ruled out and will be cleared of his "arguido" status within weeks.

Every detective in the Algarve is on standby today. Search warrants have been signed and police are awaiting final orders to start an operation believed to be linked to a new potential suspect.

The Policia Judiciaria, the Portuguese equivalent of CID, has been on alert since Friday. The details of the lead are a closely guarded secret and detectives have been warned that they are being monitored for any leaks.

The warrants are only vaild until the end of tomorrow, but could be extended if police believe it is worth pursuing.

The Public Prosecutor's Office, which directs the police inquiry, signed a series of documents on Friday, ordering the PJ in Faro to put detectives on standby and authorising search warrants at locations that may be linked to the disappearance of Madeleine 109 days ago.








There is SO much we don't know and 10% is just my guess.  (Info added above is not in video but to explain why I feel we know very little)



David Payne was (apparently) seen on the McCanns' balcony by Mrs Fenn.  Its not something that is in the files but has been featured in other (non translated videos).  His suggestion that David Payne was there to help bathe the children was not something that had entered my head, and because I believe something happened earlier I tend to think it was more about the preparation of the 'abduction', but Goncalo offers it as a possibility.

REPLY: There is evidence, as per the Tavares de Almeida Interim Report of 10 Sep 2007, that the 'crime scene' in the children's room was deliberately staged. If Madeleine suffered a significant event back on Sunday/Monday as some here think, then whether David Payne  or Matthew Oldfield or Russell O'Brien was seen on the balcony before or around 10.00pm on 3 May, it doesn't really matter. It would all be in connection with the preparation of the abduction scene. Amaral, still believing strongly that Madeleine died after 6pm on the Thursday, has in the past insinuated that something bad happened to Madeleine while David Payne was bathing her. I am unable to agree. The evidence to me is clear: the David Payne-Kate McCann meeting was probably fabricated just to lend weight to the claim that Madeleine was still alive at 6.30pm/7pm that Thursday evening.    

It is possible, as claimed, that Mrs Fenn is said to have seen him on the balcony at 7pm  (froman interview translation)   
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We have been told by Goncalo Amaral that they received a report from FSS that Madeleine's blood was in the rental car (which they based the arguido interviews on apparently) but it was then claimed to have been changed.  Goncalo says that this report should exist and one day be found.  This is not something that we are privy to in the files.

REPLY: I think Amaral may be 100% right about that. The PJ could well have removed that first document from the files after Amaral was booted off the case.

I don't think it was a document the PJ held.  It has not been released from the FSS, maybe following  a phone call?


I agree that any comments from Goncalo Amaral have been known from the beginning, but not all of them are included in the files or shared in discussions.

REPLY: From about 19 minutes to 24 minutes on the video, Amaral dwells on Smithman and still seems to think that it would ne useful to interview the Smiths again. As is well known on CMOMM, I cannot possibly agree with him on that. I think it likely that no-one, for whatever reason, has yet been able to show him all the mountain of evidence that Martin Smith's brief and very tentative claim that he and his family saw Gerry carrying Madeleine that night has zero credibility.

Amaral thinks it reasonable for Martin Smith to have 'recognised' Gerry McCann from 'the way he was holding Sean' - especially four months after he only glimpsed the man for a second or two in the dark, adding on 26 May 2007: "I would never be able to recognise him if I saw him again".

I would like Amaral to see a Portuguese translation of the OPs in SMITHMAN1 to SMITHMAN 10.

And Richard Hall's second film: 'The Phantoms' >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0-ePd3FCU
      
And I would like him to be aware of how Nuno Lourenco lied to him about Wojchiech Krokowski.

HiDeHo wrote:
Goncalo often refers to details that are unknown to us.  His knowledge and comments may be included in the files or may be from his memory and 'intelligence' discussions.

HiDeHo wrote:Just one more example of information not entered into the files.

Paulo Rebelo's visit to the apartment in October.

NOTHING that I can find in the files and yet, although a news report, photos prove it happened.  If ANYONE can find something in the files I would appreciate.  

Sorry, a little off topic but included in response to comment about how much we really DO know from the information we have.

HiDeHo wrote:Just one more example of information not entered into the files.

Paulo Rebelo's visit to the apartment in October.

NOTHING that I can find in the files and yet, although a news report, photos prove it happened.  If ANYONE can find something in the files I would appreciate.  

Sorry, a little off topic but included in response to comment about how much we really DO know from the information we have.

Phoebe wrote:
Didn't Gerry McCann make one of his first calls  on the night of the 3rd to a friend with diplomatic links? Would this not have been immediately passed on, complete with details? Jill Renwick also used her contacts to alert those close to Brown. Perhaps the British authorities believed in the "abduction" story and were eager to be seen to be pro-active.

Phoebe wrote: They'll kiss babies,

Verdi wrote:

Phoebe wrote: They'll kiss babies,

Maybe they should try kissing frogs - might have more effect .