Re: Foetal alcohol syndrome

by pennylane 15.05.16 11:22

plebgate wrote:
pennylane wrote:
aquila wrote:Please tell me why Police were denied access to Madeleine's medical records.

I'm not buying foetal alcohol syndrome.

I just want to know why Madeleine's medical records were not released to the investigating authority.

Not buying f.a.s. either!

What if the HO held back all requested information to prevent highlighting the specific information they did not want revealed, which may not have been the medical records themselves?
Good point pennylane and one to ponder over imo.

If the Home Office had forwarded the relevant information to the PJ, and the Birmingham FSS had not done that wholly suspicious U-Turn whilst annihilating the evidence entrusted to them, we would no doubt have had the answers long ago, and the gruesome twosome would not still be clogging up our airwaves. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by Verdi 15.05.16 13:04

pennylane wrote:
aquila wrote:Please tell me why Police were denied access to Madeleine's medical records.

I'm not buying foetal alcohol syndrome.

I just want to know why Madeleine's medical records were not released to the investigating authority.

Not buying f.a.s. either!

What if the HO held back all requested information to prevent highlighting the specific information they did not want revealed, which may not have been the medical records themselves?

Like something connected with empty CATS file par exemple?

by pennylane 15.05.16 13:08

Ominous!

by Verdi 15.05.16 20:26

BarryTheHatchet wrote:
In the picture above with Grandpa Johnnie, it may just be the poor quality of an old photograph, but her skin looks yellow and jaundiced.

I think it's just a naff photograph.

by whodunit 15.05.16 21:08

"Risk factors for the coloboma include consanguineous parents ..."

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by cbeagle 20.05.16 4:52

aquila wrote:

What if Madeleine wasn't taken for regular medical/progress check-ups like your average parent does?

Reminds me of this statement from the family doctor:

"Before Madeleine's disappearance, I had only consulted Kate McCann once and never had assisted Gerry, nor ever had reason to deal with the twins Sean and Amelie and only saw them once after the disappearance of Madeleine."
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Strangely silent on Madeleine.

by BarryTheHatchet 20.05.16 7:11

Yes, it would have been much more interesting to have seen statements from the doctors at the hospital where she was born, or the district nurses who visited shortly afterwards, or the doctors who gave her vaccinations. Or indeed any medical professional who actually saw the child in a medical capacity, and I don't doubt that there were at least a couple.

by Guest 20.05.16 17:07

aquila wrote:
BarryTheHatchet wrote:I'm assuming that Madeleine was born in a hospital and not at home. There would be birth records and the red NHS book. To claim that there are no medical records at all is just daft.
What if there were no medical records after Madeleine's birth?

The McCanns went to live in Holland for a year so that could potentially wipe out a fair chunk of data. Then there was the move from one house to another in Leics and the somewhat tardy registering with a new GP in Rothley.

What if Madeleine wasn't taken for regular medical/progress check-ups like your average parent does? That would be pretty damaging to the parents wouldn't it, but if you're a GP yourself then maybe the BMA forgives that sort of thing.

My husband is a GP. Both my children have never been to a doctor in their life. (13 and 17 now). Except for post natal care the first two years of their life which is "mandatory" in Holland. We have our own GP, and my children know that they can go (also without our knowledge if they would need it) whenever they have a problem, but that was so far never the case luckily. I honestly don't see why that would be "pretty damaging".

by Guest 20.05.16 18:05

In the UK it is expected that children engage with the health service for routine developmental checks, immunisations, hearing tests etc. not necessarily with a GP. Those children who regularly miss appointments would be chased up, as important health and welfare problems could be overlooked. That would be potentially damaging to the child.

by Liz Eagles 20.05.16 18:38

Ladyinred wrote:In the UK it is expected that children engage with the health service for routine developmental checks, immunisations, hearing tests etc. not necessarily with a GP. Those children who regularly miss appointments would be chased up, as important health and welfare problems could be overlooked. That would be potentially damaging to the child.

Quite right Ladyinred. What if such appointments were not kept in Madeleine's case or not followed up? As I understand it Madeleine left to live in the Netherlands for almost a third of her life. On her return to UK was she reinstated for routine health checks etc because if she wasn't there might not be anything to follow up. Madeleine was also registered at two GP surgeries I believe - the later surgery being somewhat delayed after the move to Rothley Towers - plenty of room there to fall between the safety net - and wh[color:36fc=000000]at NHS employee is going to question a GP and a heart consultant too strictly?

When Kate McCann was asked questions as arguida, the questions included [color:36fc=000000]two concerning Madeleine's physical health.

[color:36fc=000000]Q31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

[color:36fc=000000]Q42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

[color:36fc=000000]There can be no reason [color:36fc=000000]to my mind for [color:36fc=000000]Madeleine's medical records to be withheld by the UK[color:36fc=000000] but perhaps [color:36fc=000000]it's not for what was contained in them but because there was nothing in them.

[color:36fc=000000]It's just a thought.

by Guest 20.05.16 18:46

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Yes, I agree it's a possibility, and that the parents were medicating her themselves, IMO.

by Liz Eagles 20.05.16 20:02

Ladyinred wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Yes, I agree it's a possibility, and that the parents were medicating her themselves, IMO.

Would it be possible to clean up my previous post from all the gobbledegook please? Whenever I copy and paste from the McCannfiles a pile of stuff interferes with the post. Ta.

by Liz Eagles 20.05.16 20:23

Imagine that the NHS records of a little girl whose parents are doctors contain nothing. How on earth could that be explained to the PJ?

Imagine that in the wake of an alleged neglect issue and cases such as Baby P, there is a little girl whose family are medics and there are no records? Imagine that.

Imagine placing a missing child as Ward of Court whereby the medical records of the child can be withheld. Imagine that.

Imagine where all this advice emanates from.

Imagine that.

There's no need to imagine the PR and the charities and the celebrities latching onto a little blonde, blue-eyed girl. No need to imagine that.

by Guest 20.05.16 21:00

Ladyinred wrote:In the UK it is expected that children engage with the health service for routine developmental checks, immunisations, hearing tests etc. not necessarily with a GP. Those children who regularly miss appointments would be chased up, as important health and welfare problems could be overlooked. That would be potentially damaging to the child.

Oké, that's interesting. In Holland this is done voluntarily. The only check up the children get is also through gouvernement health service, and through a questionnaire that is more aimed towards mental well being (bullying, troubles with parents etc). The health service test eyesight, hearing, growth and posture (spine). But no more than twice in a whole 14 years in school to my recollection. Immunisation is also happening of course!
So not so much different. I agree that not doing these check ups would be potentially damaging. I stand corrected.. :)

by Richard IV 20.05.16 23:51

GMC say

What we currently say

What Good Medical Practice says now is:

‘Wherever possible, you should avoid providing medical care to anyone with whom you have a close personal relationship.’

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by Ssejors 13.09.16 18:55

Juspuss32 wrote:Hi, l'm new here. I have been reading about coloboma. It is suggested one cause my be due to feotal alcohol syndrome. Looking at other pictures of Madeleine, it appears to me that she has an unusual philtrum too.
Behaviourall issues can also result from this.
Such damage occurs usually in the very early stages of pregnancy, possibly before the woman is aware of her situation.
I can't help wondering whether this could have been why Madeleine's medical records were kept private. I am not suggesting that Kate had alcohol problems, merely that it was accidental.
I am a retired teacher of special needs students and have seen many with this syndrome. I would be interested in your views.
If l am covering old ground- apologies.

HI!

I too and brand new here and I am glad I finally found a thread about this subject. I feel the same way. That between the Coloboma, the philtrum, her very thin lips, and a lack of medical records, Maddy may have had FAS. From there my mind starts jumping to other conclusions and I feel I need to do more reading before I start making any accusations.

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by JRP 13.09.16 23:47

From the photo above, Kate McCann holding Madeleine, it looks like Madeleine had her mother's puffy eyes, nose and thin lip line.

by secrets and lies 14.09.16 20:54

This is a very interesting thread and chills me more than just a little to think about.

The entire case is so convoluted and riddled with seeming coincidences and confusions that I like to imagine that in the end it will be a simple piece of information that turns out to be the missing piece in the jigsaw.

Perhaps Madeleine's medical records (or lack of) are a clue?

I think something like F.A.S. touches on a very interesting point. I've often thought that Maddie looks a bit odd or unwell in photos but of course it's difficult to be certain since the camera is not always reliable and so many pics of this child seem to have been altered, edited or manipulated in some way.

I've always found it odd that medical records were never obtained by the PJ and have been of no relevance to Operation Grange that we are aware of (no surprises there.) But to think that there may be no records at all makes it even more bizarre.

My partner and I always had a favoured a theory along the lines of Madeleine being a very sick child who's parents may have premeditated bringing an end to her life. Perhaps to avoid any further suffering while creating a major monument to her name. If all the ideas about narcissism and/or other personality disorders of the parents have any basis in reality, such an action would not seem unfeasible.

The one thing that puts me off this idea is the presence of other people with the parents. An accomplice might well be necessary but ensuring the cooperation of so many others seems unlikely. There are few of us here, I'm sure, who could doubt the feeling that the "abduction" was staged with a considerable amount of pre-planning having gone into it. But how on earth could so many others be involved?

I do feel that there is a glaring omission in our knowledge of this case and that perhaps this is something that even the PJ are/were unaware of and cannot be found in the files.

Were it established that Madeleine McCann was a sick or perhaps even terminally ill child, or even suffering from some serious behavioral or developmental disorder, then the idea of her being left unattended by her parents regularly while on holiday would have far graver implications.

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