Goncalo Amaral talks about The missing sports bag

candyfloss wrote:Joana has added more to the blog about Goncalo Amaral returning to PDL. He again brings up the missing sports bag. What happened to it..........

GA: In that place the body would always decay. The issue with the bag is the following, Gerald McCann said at one point in time that he did not have any sports bag. Mark Harrison, an English expert, who did the planning of the searches that were carried out with the CSI dogs, of the cadaver odour and blood, at the ends of July, early August, puts forward that serious hypothesis - that the body was taken inside a sports bag3, he speaks of a golf bag, of a sports bag – and indeed a sports bag existed. There are photographs taken inside the apartment [rented by the McCanns/5A] immediately after the disappearance, an hour later, and the sports bag is there, inside the closet and is of a darkish blue colour. Thus, those photographs exist, contrary to what anyone can say that they did not own a sports bag – the sports bag was there. A sports bag, even though there wasn't any brand like “Adidas” in the bag, but it was a bag of that kind. So, what happened to that bag, what took place next, other situations ensued relatively to another bag, something that it’s not worth mentioning now here, there are people who also talk about a bag... That cliff area is an important zone, several people talked about it, there were many important events that took place there, events that people saw and suspected, in the golf course area, in the path to the geodesic mark, all in that area. Therefore, it is an area where it is worthwhile to make a search again. But to be searched in the scope of an investigation that is reopened.


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And here Martin Brunt talks about the missing bag.............

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Merrymo wrote:
You don't see many children of that age being carried around by their parents, unless it's on their shoulders. That's because they are too heavy. .. To carry a weight of around 32lbs - and in ONE hand only - for any distance - does not seem a simple task to me. One would have to put it down regularly - thus leaving a trail of death scent surely?

david_uk wrote:Going by the picture that bag could easily be the type of Hold-all used for Holidays which has a little set of wheels at one end, with a rigid bottom so it can also be pulled along. I see these all the time on Airport baggage pick ups!.

tigger wrote:Please read the interview : on this site - GA in PdL
quote Amaral: .... and I recall that the little girl’s weight would be about 30 kilos – unquote.
Which is about 4 stone 7 pounds.
The weight for a child that age in the 95 percentile range is 31.9 kilograms. (child growth calculator, courtesy of google).

Moa wrote:

tigger wrote:Please read the interview : on this site - GA in PdL
quote Amaral: .... and I recall that the little girl’s weight would be about 30 kilos – unquote.
Which is about 4 stone 7 pounds.
The weight for a child that age in the 95 percentile range is 31.9 kilograms. (child growth calculator, courtesy of google).

She was defently not 30 kilograms or more. Not possible if any of this pictures are showing a real Madeleine ..my boy is 28 kilograms and 5 years and bigger than the others at same age he is also around 125 cm in height , Madeleine was supposed to be 90 cm..

Gillyspot wrote:

Merrymo wrote:
You don't see many children of that age being carried around by their parents, unless it's on their shoulders. That's because they are too heavy. .. To carry a weight of around 32lbs - and in ONE hand only - for any distance - does not seem a simple task to me. One would have to put it down regularly - thus leaving a trail of death scent surely?

Interesting you say that as Jane Tanner (who's sighting is crucial to the McCanns' abduction thesis) said the child was carried across the "abductors" arms as you know - How far could ANYONE carry a child like that as it would surely be the hardest way to carry that dead weight?

Moa wrote:

tigger wrote:Please read the interview : on this site - GA in PdL
quote Amaral: .... and I recall that the little girl’s weight would be about 30 kilos – unquote.
Which is about 4 stone 7 pounds.
The weight for a child that age in the 95 percentile range is 31.9 kilograms. (child growth calculator, courtesy of google).

She was defently not 30 kilograms or more. Not possible if any of this pictures are showing a real Madeleine ..my boy is 28 kilograms and 5 years and bigger than the others at same age he is also around 125 cm in height , Madeleine was supposed to be 90 cm..

Merrymo wrote:

Gillyspot wrote:

Merrymo wrote:
You don't see many children of that age being carried around by their parents, unless it's on their shoulders. That's because they are too heavy. .. To carry a weight of around 32lbs - and in ONE hand only - for any distance - does not seem a simple task to me. One would have to put it down regularly - thus leaving a trail of death scent surely?

Interesting you say that as Jane Tanner (who's sighting is crucial to the McCanns' abduction thesis) said the child was carried across the "abductors" arms as you know - How far could ANYONE carry a child like that as it would surely be the hardest way to carry that dead weight?

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Surely carrying a weight spread across 2 arms would be easier than carrying the same weight in a bag held in one hand?

Moa wrote:

tigger wrote:Please read the interview : on this site - GA in PdL
quote Amaral: .... and I recall that the little girl’s weight would be about 30 kilos – unquote.
Which is about 4 stone 7 pounds.
The weight for a child that age in the 95 percentile range is 31.9 kilograms. (child growth calculator, courtesy of google).

She was defently not 30 kilograms or more. Not possible if any of this pictures are showing a real Madeleine ..my boy is 28 kilograms and 5 years and bigger than the others at same age he is also around 125 cm in height , Madeleine was supposed to be 90 cm..

Gillyspot wrote:

Merrymo wrote:

Gillyspot wrote:

Merrymo wrote:
You don't see many children of that age being carried around by their parents, unless it's on their shoulders. That's because they are too heavy. .. To carry a weight of around 32lbs - and in ONE hand only - for any distance - does not seem a simple task to me. One would have to put it down regularly - thus leaving a trail of death scent surely?

Interesting you say that as Jane Tanner (who's sighting is crucial to the McCanns' abduction thesis) said the child was carried across the "abductors" arms as you know - How far could ANYONE carry a child like that as it would surely be the hardest way to carry that dead weight?

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Surely carrying a weight spread across 2 arms would be easier than carrying the same weight in a bag held in one hand?

You give it a try & see how far you can carry a dead weight of 40+ kgs. Gravity is at work and will pull your arms down as you try to hold them horizontal. Just give it a go and report back. I used to have horses & I can tell you I could carry a bale of hay over my shoulder but no way could I go far with it over my arms as JT "abductor" was allegedly carrying a child.

One would have thought THAT would have been THE top most urgent
priority from the moment the police were told of what JT had seen.

aiyoyo wrote:I wonder whether CM knows about the existence of this photo when he denied Gerry has such a bag or lost such a bag.
He said that Gerry came back with all his belongings and nothing was lost.

The dark blue bag, does not matter it us a sports or travel bag, looks big enough to contain a small child (and Maddie is small) weighing probably around 20 odd lbs and any man can lift that without too much trouble, as if a normal travel bag weight.

The average weight of a 4 yr old girl is 35lb. The average weight of a 3yr old girl is 31lb. I presume Maddie would be somewhere inbetween those weights. Add to that the weight of the bag.

My daughter was only 20 odd lbs when she was three-year-old and 40 lbs thereabout when she was eight-year and she's a healthy girl albeit skinny. I was only 31 kg when I was 15-year old and healthy.
Some skinny people are light weight and while others though skinny are amazingly heavy in weight, so I believe that too applies to children. To me, Maddie was small for her age, and seemed light weight, especially if you view the infamous "last photo" of her at the pool side, she looked more like two year old. At most I would imagine her to be around 30lbs, so 20 odds on high 20s isn't that far off.

Airlines as a rule allows 20kg baggage allowance but some people push that limit to 25 kg and I've seen most fit men don't have problem lifting and walking with it. And Gerry looks fit enough to lift that kind of weight.

You don't see many children of that age being carried around by their parents, unless it's on their shoulders. That's because they are too heavy. .. To carry a weight of around 32lbs - and in ONE hand only - for any distance - does not seem a simple task to me. One would have to put it down regularly - thus leaving a trail of death scent surely?

Here we're not talking about the lifting or carrying of a live child for any distance.
If it's down to a question of having no choice but to lift the 'body' and cart it away for disposal, then lifting a three-year old Maddie whatever be her weight will have to be done by hook or by crook no matter the method using bag or without using bag. If as you pointed out, average weight of a 3-year old is 31 lb then that's less than 20 kg, not that impossible for fit Gerry.

All depends when people believe her dead took place. I imagine that if people believe Smith sighting then she wasn't bagged up. But if one believes she died earlier then if Gerry had disposed her using daylight then I would imagine she would be bagged up for obvious reason that he cant be seen walking about with a body in broad daylight. Anyhow if he was with a tennis bag in broad daylight, so long as he acted normal, he would not arouse suspicions because that is normal sight in a resort with tennis facility.

Anyhow I believe the missing blue bag was mentioned by Amaral for a reason and the Police probably held back evidence about the "missing" blue bag as they did about the "missing" pink blanket.



Why would the body be removed from the bag? It's not as if any shovels were being carried (as well as the bag), to bury it. It also makes no sense to take a bag almost certainly reeking with evidence back to the 'scene of the crime'.

Who said anything about body removed from bag?
And, who mentioned anything about Gerry having taken the "bag" of evidence back to the crime scene?
No one knows what he did with the bag, but since the Police mentioned it was missing (bag I mean), they must know something about the use of it don't you think?

It would be interesting if the Police had got hold of that bag yet Gerry didn't report is as missing.

If GM had wanted to get rid of it, then surely he would have disposed of it with the body inside - in whatever place it was that the biggest hunt in the history of Portugal failed to find - but which apparently was so close to the apartment - that not a single member of the public had time to spot him carrying it there, remove the body, and then carry it back.

Merrymo wrote:

Gillyspot wrote:

Merrymo wrote:

Gillyspot wrote:

Merrymo wrote:
You don't see many children of that age being carried around by their parents, unless it's on their shoulders. That's because they are too heavy. .. To carry a weight of around 32lbs - and in ONE hand only - for any distance - does not seem a simple task to me. One would have to put it down regularly - thus leaving a trail of death scent surely?

Interesting you say that as Jane Tanner (who's sighting is crucial to the McCanns' abduction thesis) said the child was carried across the "abductors" arms as you know - How far could ANYONE carry a child like that as it would surely be the hardest way to carry that dead weight?

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Surely carrying a weight spread across 2 arms would be easier than carrying the same weight in a bag held in one hand?

You give it a try & see how far you can carry a dead weight of 40+ kgs. Gravity is at work and will pull your arms down as you try to hold them horizontal. Just give it a go and report back. I used to have horses & I can tell you I could carry a bale of hay over my shoulder but no way could I go far with it over my arms as JT "abductor" was allegedly carrying a child.

LOL I'll take you word for it. Who can carry what weight depends on so many different things - to come to a definite conclusion IMO.

However, we don't know how far the 'abductor' carried Maddie before putting her down. The timing of the Smith sighting would seem to show that the journey was not an unbroken one from the apartment to where they saw that person. What a pity the CCTV footage along that route wasn't checked until it was too late to be of any use. One would have thought THAT would have been THE top most urgent priority from the moment the police were told of what JT had seen.

Merrymo wrote:The average weight of a 4 yr old girl is 35lb. The average weight of a 3yr old girl is 31lb. I presume Maddie would be somewhere inbetween those weights. Add to that the weight of the bag.

You don't see many children of that age being carried around by their parents, unless it's on their shoulders. That's because they are too heavy. .. To carry a weight of around 32lbs - and in ONE hand only - for any distance - does not seem a simple task to me. One would have to put it down regularly - thus leaving a trail of death scent surely?

Merrymo wrote:Why would the body be removed from the bag? It's not as if any shovels were being carried (as well as the bag), to bury it. It also makes no sense to take a bag almost certainly reeking with evidence back to the 'scene of the crime'.

It would be interesting if the Police had got hold of that bag yet Gerry didn't report is as missing.

If GM had wanted to get rid of it, then surely he would have disposed of it with the body inside - in whatever place it was that the biggest hunt in the history of Portugal failed to find - but which apparently was so close to the apartment - that not a single member of the public had time to spot him carrying it there, remove the body, and then carry it back.