Police to review evidence collected from apt 5a

Stillthinking wrote:

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:

Don't forget the Mcs had 2 associated on the inside of MW creches - Amy Tierney & Charlotte Pennington. Their role in any of this would need investigating IMO

How do you mean "associated on the inside" ?

Atomic Peanut wrote:While you are discussing that, C12, you may also like to ponder why, in all the holiday photos (with the possible exception of tennis balls, but even then I think it is true), M is never looking at the camera? In the playground pic it isn't even obvious it's her as you can't see her face. She doesn't seem camera-shy in any of her other photos and videos. Strange to have holiday pics where the subject is always looking sideways

Mods if you think this photo discussion needs a separate thread, feel free, but that's it from me for now anyway in case I overstay my welcome

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Dee Coy wrote:But it is cloudy in that picture. And they're wearing zipped-up coats and sweaters!

WMD wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:But it is cloudy in that picture. And they're wearing zipped-up coats and sweaters!

But in the background some are wearing shorts and short shirt sleeves.

Nina wrote:

WMD wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:But it is cloudy in that picture. And they're wearing zipped-up coats and sweaters!

But in the background some are wearing shorts and short shirt sleeves.

Some people when they go on holiday, particularly if it to another country will walk about in next to nothing whilst the locals are covered up.
They are on their holidays and they blooming well will wear their new shorts.

Varriott wrote:

Stillthinking wrote:

Ok that must be another theory ...so that theory is that the McCanns turned up at the creche for Madeleine's age group, 4 times  that day with no child and just signed the name Madeleine in and out, morning and afternoon and nobody noticed? Again it is a crazy risk to take because the risk of anybody noticing that Madeleine isn't with them at any point, during the 4 journeys to and from creche, at the creche sign in, and if/when the staff do a head count, (particularly if there was a boat trip etc.) immediately puts the focus on the McCanns. I think, like the theory of Gerry carrying a decoy child through Luz that night, it's an unnecessary risk to take when you don't have to and when the risk of being revealed immediately puts you in the spotlight. I can't imagine anyone, let alone someone as controlling as Gerry appears to be, taking a risk that leaves too many variables that he has no control over. It's just too big  a risk to take when you think what the fallout would be if anybody noticed their deception.

By the standards of 'It's just too big a risk to take' one can easily rule out both a staged abduction and a stranger abduction.  But, clearly, one of these two things happened.  It is not up to us, or to the police, to speculate on which is more feasible.  We are entitled to our opinions, but it's a question of where the evidence points.

Dee Coy wrote:

Nina wrote:

WMD wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:But it is cloudy in that picture. And they're wearing zipped-up coats and sweaters!

But in the background some are wearing shorts and short shirt sleeves.

Some people when they go on holiday, particularly if it to another country will walk about in next to nothing whilst the locals are covered up.
They are on their holidays and they blooming well will wear their new shorts.

Precisely!  

Dee Coy wrote:

Nina wrote:

WMD wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:But it is cloudy in that picture. And they're wearing zipped-up coats and sweaters!

But in the background some are wearing shorts and short shirt sleeves.

Some people when they go on holiday, particularly if it to another country will walk about in next to nothing whilst the locals are covered up.

Atomic Peanut wrote:OK Hicks, thank you
Here's another... in the tennis balls pic, why are her arms brown (tanned) but her hands white, with a sharp line separating the two?
This effect can only be achieved in reality by wearing gloves most of the time!

j.rob wrote:

Stillthinking wrote:

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:

Don't forget the Mcs had 2 associated on the inside of MW creches - Amy Tierney & Charlotte Pennington. Their role in any of this would need investigating IMO

How do you mean "associated on the inside" ?

Yes, I would think that the role of the nannies at the creche would need to be investigated quite carefully. Wasn't Brenda tweeting about the possible role of Amy Tierney shortly before Brenda's tragic and untimely death?

Just a thought.

Atomic Peanut wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:

Nina wrote:

WMD wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:But it is cloudy in that picture. And they're wearing zipped-up coats and sweaters!

But in the background some are wearing shorts and short shirt sleeves.

Some people when they go on holiday, particularly if it to another country will walk about in next to nothing whilst the locals are covered up.

We know that the temperature was around 20C at lunchtime on 3rd May, several sources
Not hot for Portugal, but 20C with a strong high sun (middle of the day in early May) would be very pleasant if you are out of the wind, particularly if you are from the UK
The beach was breezy, no doubt about it, so some people had hoodies and trousers on
But the site of the last photo wasn't on the beach, it was in a secluded garden with a big wall immediately to the west, on the outer perimeter of OC, where the wind was coming from
You can't compare conditions on an exposed beach to an inland garden sheltered by a wall
Yes we are going off topic but it's important to establish that 3rd May wasn't cool and cloudy (ie contradicting the last photo), and this is where the discussion seems to be taking place!

Hicks wrote:

Atomic Peanut wrote:OK Hicks, thank you
Here's another... in the tennis balls pic, why are her arms brown (tanned) but her hands white, with a sharp line separating the two?
This effect can only be achieved in reality by wearing gloves most of the time!

Kate McCann's witness statement 4th May, concerning Madeleine.......'she is Caucasian, with quite white skin, aged four, about 90cm tall. Of slim build, dark blond hair, straight and of shoulder length. Left eye blue-green, right eye  also green with a BROWN SPOT on the pupil. She had a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg, as well as a SMALL SUNBURN on her right forearm'

How was it possible to get a 'small sunburn' on her right forearm? It doesn't look like sunburn to me.


When you magnify the photo you could be forgiven for wondering if the head has been pasted on to the body.

Madeleine spent most of the day in the creche, and the weather seemed to be hit and miss. 
The fact that Kate pointed out the localised redness on Madeleine's forearm must have some significance. It is odd the line around the wrist.

Stillthinking wrote:

Atomic Peanut wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:

Nina wrote:

WMD wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:But it is cloudy in that picture. And they're wearing zipped-up coats and sweaters!

But in the background some are wearing shorts and short shirt sleeves.

Some people when they go on holiday, particularly if it to another country will walk about in next to nothing whilst the locals are covered up.

We know that the temperature was around 20C at lunchtime on 3rd May, several sources
Not hot for Portugal, but 20C with a strong high sun (middle of the day in early May) would be very pleasant if you are out of the wind, particularly if you are from the UK
The beach was breezy, no doubt about it, so some people had hoodies and trousers on
But the site of the last photo wasn't on the beach, it was in a secluded garden with a big wall immediately to the west, on the outer perimeter of OC, where the wind was coming from
You can't compare conditions on an exposed beach to an inland garden sheltered by a wall
Yes we are going off topic but it's important to establish that 3rd May wasn't cool and cloudy (ie contradicting the last photo), and this is where the discussion seems to be taking place!

I personally think the whole photo discussions are little more than red herrings but let's be honest nobody can say what the weather was like all day on any one day. Weather is changeable. On just one day I can walk out my front door and it's nice and warm, walk to the shops where it's more open and there's a cold breeze, walk back and it's raining. A photo just captures a single moment in time.

Hicks wrote:

Atomic Peanut wrote:OK Hicks, thank you
Here's another... in the tennis balls pic, why are her arms brown (tanned) but her hands white, with a sharp line separating the two?
This effect can only be achieved in reality by wearing gloves most of the time!

Kate McCann's witness statement 4th May, concerning Madeleine.......'she is Caucasian, with quite white skin, aged four, about 90cm tall. Of slim build, dark blond hair, straight and of shoulder length. Left eye blue-green, right eye  also green with a BROWN SPOT on the pupil. She had a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg, as well as a SMALL SUNBURN on her right forearm'

How was it possible to get a 'small sunburn' on her right forearm? It doesn't look like sunburn to me.


When you magnify the photo you could be forgiven for wondering if the head has been pasted on to the body.

Madeleine spent most of the day in the creche, and the weather seemed to be hit and miss. 
The fact that Kate pointed out the localised redness on Madeleine's forearm must have some significance. It is odd the line around the wrist.

Stillthinking wrote:

Varriott wrote:

Stillthinking wrote:

Ok that must be another theory ...so that theory is that the McCanns turned up at the creche for Madeleine's age group, 4 times  that day with no child and just signed the name Madeleine in and out, morning and afternoon and nobody noticed? Again it is a crazy risk to take because the risk of anybody noticing that Madeleine isn't with them at any point, during the 4 journeys to and from creche, at the creche sign in, and if/when the staff do a head count, (particularly if there was a boat trip etc.) immediately puts the focus on the McCanns. I think, like the theory of Gerry carrying a decoy child through Luz that night, it's an unnecessary risk to take when you don't have to and when the risk of being revealed immediately puts you in the spotlight. I can't imagine anyone, let alone someone as controlling as Gerry appears to be, taking a risk that leaves too many variables that he has no control over. It's just too big  a risk to take when you think what the fallout would be if anybody noticed their deception.

By the standards of 'It's just too big a risk to take' one can easily rule out both a staged abduction and a stranger abduction.  But, clearly, one of these two things happened.  It is not up to us, or to the police, to speculate on which is more feasible.  We are entitled to our opinions, but it's a question of where the evidence points.

Yup we are all entitled to our opinions and we are all speculating on how feasible various scenarios are. I can't see any evidence pointing towards Madeleine not being there at all that day and common sense says the Mccanns wouldn't take additional unnecessary risks, when, like you say, they would already have been taking  a big enough risk if they were going to stage an abduction. 


If Madeleine had died and the McCanns wanted to hide that then the staging and/or disposal of her body would be a necessary risk they would HAVE to take . It's unavoidable. The risk is worth the "reward" . All this other stuff about signing in/out an imaginary child 4 times and hoping nobody notices, isn't necessary and just increases the risk of being found out. Each time they make that journey and sign her name without her there is another chance that somebody is going to find out she isn't around. So it's taking additional risks for no additional reward and  each additional risk would be another chance of them being found out and becoming prime suspects in their daughter's disappearance. Nah, they're not stupid.

Grande Finale wrote:It Seems to me that Thursday the 3rd was warm but windy, Sunday 29th April was HOT Though with little wind.

There is an EXCELLENT series of videos from the whole week by "Tonix Pictures GmbH" The final day being video 6 Saturday 5th May.

Here is Windsurf Grand Prix video 4 from Thursday 3rd May 2007