Re: Police to review evidence collected from apt 5a

by margaret 17.10.14 22:20

WMD wrote:
bobbin wrote:

I hope that Portugal does not for a second time hand over precious vestiges. As a commenter on Joanna Morais site has indicated, how easy it would be for the vestiges to be contaminated/linked to a stooge and the whole blame be placed elsewhere.
One would hope once bitten twice shy,if the forensics are so important to the OG one would like to think the PJ would be suspicious and even weary of handing them over.

If Portugal do hand them over then the SY investigation must be running alongside, NO WAY would Portugal trust them again otherwise. I'll wait and see what Portugal does...

by NickE 18.10.14 13:29

by aiyoyo 18.10.14 13:34

Defending the Mcs to the hilt.....

Interesting !

by TheTruthWillOut 18.10.14 13:48

NickE wrote:

What is this guys problem? Is he just butthurt over CEOP or does it go even deeper?

Just to name one case (Pilley) dogs alerted but nothing physical was found and I'm sure these alerts were used in the court case. Will he now start fighting for Gilroy's release?

by **PeterMac** 18.10.14 13:56

Then google

Eugene Zapata
D’Andre Lane
Adrian Prout, - body found AFTER conviction
David Gilroy,
Marquis Bulloch,
Zinah Jennings
Albert Fine,
Pedro Hernandez,
Shakara Dickens,

ALL are convictions with NO BODY FOUND, but with dog alerts to cadaverine
Zapata, Kate's favourite case is remarkable for the change of plea before the second trial and, what most pros choose to ignore, his confession that the body had in fact been in all the places the dogs indicated, over a period of 26 years or so, as he moved around and moved her remains at the same time.
Why Kate had not confirmed this before putting it into her Prosecution Exhibit KH1, Heaven only knows.
Prout also remarkable in that a year or so after being found Guilty WiTHOUT a body having been found, he confessed and told Police where it was.
Which rather stuffed the on-line campaign to clear his name and to claim that it was an egregious Miscarriage of Justice. Their subsequent wrigglings are very funny if anyone can be bothered to look them up.

by TheTruthWillOut 18.10.14 13:59

Reading that Peter and I have to wonder why Gamble makes Tweets like the above..

by columbostogeys 18.10.14 14:02

PeterMac wrote:Then google

Eugene Zapata
D’Andre Lane
Adrian Prout, - body found AFTER conviction
David Gilroy,
Marquis Bulloch,
Zinah Jennings
Albert Fine,
Pedro Hernandez,
Shakara Dickens,

ALL are convictions with NO BODY FOUND, but with dog alerts to cadaverine
Zapata, Kate's favourite case is remarkable for the change of plea before the second trial and, what most pros choose to ignore, his confession that the body had in fact been in all the places the dogs indicated, over a period of 26 years or so, as he moved around and moved her remains at the same time.
Why Kate had not confirmed this before putting it into her Prosecution Exhibit KH1, Heaven only knows.
Prout also remarkable in that a year or so after being found Guilty WiTHOUT a body having been found, he confessed and told Police where it was.
Which rather stuffed the on-line campaign to clear his name and to claim that it was an egregious Miscarriage of Justice. Their subsequent wrigglings are very funny if anyone can be bothered to look them up.

Yeh the dogs NEVER LIE do they.....and they are so accurate its scary.

by comperedna 18.10.14 14:58

Can anyone help me out here? Not sure if it was in a discussion on MF or on 3As or elsewhere...

I distinctly remember from years ago, from the first Portuguese investigation, Amaral's, the following being said about flat 5a

- that there was no sign of a break in
- that the flat was extremely clean
- that lots of friends and helpers had unfortunately been into it after Madeleine disappeared
- that there was, however, some 'strange' DNA 'in a place where it should not have been'

Hardly anything more was ever said about the last point, and people speculated whether this DNA was in the form of saliva, or blood, or something more sinister. Also it was never said exactly where it was found.

Could this be at least part of what is proposed to be re-investigated by SY and PJ together, or at least in agreement?

by j.rob 18.10.14 15:42

This is a request for tests on blood stains found outside Quinta dos Figos, not in apartment 5A

That is interesting. Hadn't heard that before.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P7/07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1812.jpg

Is this the villa outside which blood stains were found and sent off for analysis?

http://www.barbarareadvillas.com/villas.asp?occupancy=5

by j.rob 18.10.14 15:45

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Reading that Peter and I have to wonder why Gamble makes Tweets like the above..

He really is making himself look incredibly silly. The reviews of that book are hilarious. It's utter tripe. If he digs into his hole much more he will find himself in Australia. At least it's a long way from the UK.

by comperedna 18.10.14 17:06

Quinta dos figos? I haven't heard tell of that villa in connection with this case... Unless I have and have forgotten it in a 'senior moment'. :-) Who was staying there at the relevant time j-rob? Do you happen to know?

by aiyoyo 18.10.14 17:26

j.rob wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Reading that Peter and I have to wonder why Gamble makes Tweets like the above..

He really is making himself look incredibly silly. The reviews of that book are hilarious. It's utter tripe. If he digs into his hole much more he will find himself in Australia. At least it's a long way from the UK.

Yes, he is indeed.
Supported Mcs from the word GO, and co-operated with S&S in their book.
Not looking good for him. Up the creek with Mitchell, S&S, and the board of trustees.
And, a certain window entrepreneur with all his money can't stop the tide when it changes.

by **PeterMac** 18.10.14 17:32

j.rob wrote:
He really is making himself look incredibly silly. The reviews of that book are hilarious. It's utter tripe. If he digs into his hole much more he will find himself in Australia. At least it's a long way from the UK.

New Zealand, actually ! ! . Where Robinson was between 2001- 2009m as proved and testified to by GAMBLE himself in the annual report of CEOPS.
Why he is doing any of this I cannot begin to understand
He is surely (WAS SURELY) in the perfect position to become the instant SKY and BBC paid pundit to explain how things work . .
but for that he would have to be impartial.
And he isn't.

by Guest 18.10.14 18:05

I think he's taken on Mitchell's role.

When sources close the McCanns or a family spokesperson have chipped in recently I wouldn't be surprised to learn this is him. Clarrie hasn't been heard in an official capacity with his name attached for months, now, or am I wrong?

by aiyoyo 18.10.14 18:10

PeterMac wrote:
Why he is doing any of this I cannot begin to understand
He is surely (WAS SURELY) in the perfect position to become the instant SKY and BBC paid pundit to explain how things work . .
but for that he would have to be impartial.
And he isn't.

Me neither, I cannot understand why he assumes a position on the Mccanns, when he could be impartial. He seems to get very personal over the McCanns case. Might have something to do with him becoming their friends and the line of professionalism is already compromised.

by **PeterMac** 18.10.14 22:08

aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Why he is doing any of this I cannot begin to understand
He is surely (WAS SURELY) in the perfect position to become the instant SKY and BBC paid pundit to explain how things work . .
but for that he would have to be impartial.
And he isn't.

Me neither, I cannot understand why he assumes a position on the Mccanns, when he could be impartial. He seems to get very personal over the McCanns case. Might have something to do with him becoming their friends and the line of professionalism is already compromised.

And gradually it is coming out that under his stewardship CEOP did nothing about the evidence from Canada; under his stewardship Rochdale happened and continued to happen,; no one did anything about Savile, I am not sure whether CEOP was involved in setting up of any other enquiries into Elm House . . .
What was he doing ?

And why did TeeMay sack him . . . and not only that SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT - OK give the responsibilities to someone else, but that is what it amounts to.
She destroyed everything he had been doing. In one afternoon.
May for PM !

by sallypelt 18.10.14 22:12

PeterMac wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Why he is doing any of this I cannot begin to understand
He is surely (WAS SURELY) in the perfect position to become the instant SKY and BBC paid pundit to explain how things work . .
but for that he would have to be impartial.
And he isn't.

Me neither, I cannot understand why he assumes a position on the Mccanns, when he could be impartial. He seems to get very personal over the McCanns case. Might have something to do with him becoming their friends and the line of professionalism is already compromised.

And gradually it is coming out that under his stewardship CEOP did nothing about the evidence from Canada; under his stewardship Rochdale happened and continued to happen,; no one did anything about Savile, I am not sure whether CEOP was involved in setting up of any other enquiries into Elm House . . .
What was he doing ?

And why did TeeMay sack him . . . and not only that SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT - OK give the responsibilities to someone else, but that is what it amounts to.
She destroyed everything he had been doing. In one afternoon.
May for PM !

I am totally amazed with Jim RETWEETED Gamble. How that man got high-profile jobs, I have no idea. He doesn't have an ounce of professionalism. It's no wonder that as soon as the Conservatives got into power, T May got rid of CEOP.

All I can think is, this must be a case of not what you know, but who you know.

by aiyoyo 19.10.14 1:19

PeterMac wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Why he is doing any of this I cannot begin to understand
He is surely (WAS SURELY) in the perfect position to become the instant SKY and BBC paid pundit to explain how things work . .
but for that he would have to be impartial.
And he isn't.

Me neither, I cannot understand why he assumes a position on the Mccanns, when he could be impartial. He seems to get very personal over the McCanns case. Might have something to do with him becoming their friends and the line of professionalism is already compromised.

And gradually it is coming out that under his stewardship CEOP did nothing about the evidence from Canada; under his stewardship Rochdale happened and continued to happen,; no one did anything about Savile, I am not sure whether CEOP was involved in setting up of any other enquiries into Elm House . . .
What was he doing ?

And why did TeeMay sack him . . . and not only that SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT - OK give the responsibilities to someone else, but that is what it amounts to.
She destroyed everything he had been doing. In one afternoon.
May for PM !

Shutting down the entire department, and sacking him (technically forcing his resignation ) was a coup by TeeMay begging the question what caused the move. You got to wonder if it was JG failure to deliver on the job rendering the department redundant or did May have reason to become alarm over CEOP, ie. shut with foresight to avoid it coming under scrutiny?
Was he doing nothing or doing too much all for the wrong reasons that got the department shut down is the $M question ?

This is from wiki:

James "Jim" Gamble QPM is a senior British Police officer from Bangor in Northern Ireland.^[1] He is the former chief executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), a police unit affiliated to the Serious Organised Crime Agency^{[citation needed]} (SOCA) in the United Kingdom. He resigned in October 2010 after the Home Secretary Theresa May's decision to merge CEOP with SOCA and other bodies into a new National Crime Agency. Mr Gamble wanted CEOP to remain independent.^[2]
Earlier in his career he was head of the Northern Ireland anti-terrorist intelligence unit in Belfast, then Deputy Director General (with the rank of Deputy Chief Constable) of the National Crime Squad, which in April 2006, merged into the Serious Organised Crime Agency. He was also the head of the Belfast Region of the RUC's Special Branch.^[3]
Gamble led the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS) fight against child sex abuse. He also presided over the controversial Operation Ore.^{[citation needed]} He led the work to set up the National Crime Squad's specialist response cell – the Paedophile and Online Investigation Team (POLIT). He was awarded the Queen's Police Medal (QPM) in the New Year Honours 2008.^[4]
Gamble was among six candidates shortlisted to succeed Sir Hugh Orde as Police Service of Northern Ireland Chief Constable. The post was vacated by Orde in late 2009.^[1] Also in the running were Bernard Hogan-Howe, then chief constable of Merseyside; Jon Stoddart, chief constable of Durham; Paul West, chief constable of West Mercia; and Matt Baggott, chief constable of Leicestershire who was the successful candidate.^[1]

Did his establishment of Paedophile and Online Investigating Team ( POLIT ) afford him and his team a valid reason to access online "P" material, all excused to being "on the job" one wonders?

I cannot understand why he desperately wanted the CEOP to stay independent if integration isn't going to threaten or affect his career. At the end of the day it's still a job, same nature of job no matter the restructuring, and a police officer should be able to adapt to fit within the structure.

Was his fear and dissatisfaction at the merger to do with losing stewardship, losing the autonomy to rein as he likes, resentment at certain element / comfort zone being taken away, or something more is anyone's guess. Certainly his inability to remain impartial pertaining to the McCanns case is cause for alarm.

by j.rob 19.10.14 13:53

comperedna wrote:Quinta dos figos? I haven't heard tell of that villa in connection with this case... Unless I have and have forgotten it in a 'senior moment'. :-) Who was staying there at the relevant time j-rob? Do you happen to know?

No. But it wouldn't be that difficult to find out. Was it a rental property then? Or was it privately owned and not rented? Or was it empty?

Murat seems to have his finger in a lot of property pies? Maybe a connection there?

Maybe the blood was a 'plant'? Look this way, kind of thing. This case is so weird, nothing is straightforward, imo.

No doubt the police know who was there at the time, or not, as the case may be.

by j.rob 19.10.14 13:55

I am totally amazed with Jim RETWEETED Gamble. How that man got high-profile jobs, I have no idea. He doesn't have an ounce of professionalism. It's no wonder that as soon as the Conservatives got into power, T May got rid of CEOP.

All I can think is, this must be a case of not what you know, but who you know.

-------

Agreed. And when you consider what his job was. You have to ask a few questions.

Fox in charge of the hen coop, methinks.

Really quite disturbing.

by comperedna 19.10.14 16:16

The way I read it, and indeed remember it, it is DNA from 5a they are talking about (not from the villa mentioned higher up the thread) and there was precious little of anybody's DNA there. The place was as clean as a whistle. I wonder what and who this is about.

by XTC 19.10.14 23:03

WMD wrote:
bobbin wrote:

I hope that Portugal does not for a second time hand over precious vestiges. As a commenter on Joanna Morais site has indicated, how easy it would be for the vestiges to be contaminated/linked to a stooge and the whole blame be placed elsewhere.
One would hope once bitten twice shy,if the forensics are so important to the OG one would like to think the PJ would be suspicious and even weary of handing them over.

The theory goes that forensic science has moved on since 2007 so it might be an interesting experiment I think to do some
re-testing or cross referencing with historic collections and results.

Seems like hairs may be the only organic vestiges left but a s Mr Amaral says these might reveal more than they did back then re: DNA

The rest could be DNA marker readouts from 2007 - I don't know.

Corpse Banding may have moved on possibly?

Soil testing also.

Nuclear DNA is the best to test against so they say and perhaps that will be revisited too?

No harm in it as long as the PJ supervise the collections and results from testing.

Could be interesting I think.

All Opinion though

by Joss 20.10.14 16:27

Did they ever find out who this forensic evidence belonged to?

2-Nature of the sample

Acid Phosphatase Test to detect semen on the small spot on the cloth fragment in envelope no. 5 recovered from the bedspread of the bed next to the window of the children's bedroom: Weakly positive.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

by Nina 20.10.14 18:34

Joss wrote:Did they ever find out who this forensic evidence belonged to?

2-Nature of the sample

Acid Phosphatase Test to detect semen on the small spot on the cloth fragment in envelope no. 5 recovered from the bedspread of the bed next to the window of the children's bedroom: Weakly positive.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

yes was discovered to be the saliva of a toddler who had been a guest in 5A just before the McCanns. Sorry Joss but I am struggling with data availability so cannot go searching for you for the results.

by margaret 20.10.14 21:01

PeterMac wrote:[

And why did TeeMay sack him . . . and not only that SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT - OK give the responsibilities to someone else, but that is what it amounts to.
She destroyed everything he had been doing. In one afternoon.
May for PM !

I like Teresa May, after all it was she who also allowed the review to go ahead. I like to think she's on our side regards Gamble and the McCanns. thumbsup

Log in for more topics