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Together with three ‘edited extract(s) from 'Looking for Madeleine', a new book on the McCann case, the authors analyse’ from The Telegraph today, together with a short video from their own staff.
Madeleine: if only the McCanns had known about the Algarve
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11081857/Madeleine-if-only-the-McCanns-had-known-about-the-Algarve.html
Could Madeleine be safe and well-cared for?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.html
Did Madeleine wander off?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082514/Did-Madeleine-wander-off.html
Madeleine McCann: the investigation's suspects in 90 seconds
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082996/Madeleine-McCann-the-investigations-suspects-in-90-seconds.html
Madeleine: if only the McCanns had known about the Algarve
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11081857/Madeleine-if-only-the-McCanns-had-known-about-the-Algarve.html
Could Madeleine be safe and well-cared for?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.html
Did Madeleine wander off?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082514/Did-Madeleine-wander-off.html
Madeleine McCann: the investigation's suspects in 90 seconds
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082996/Madeleine-McCann-the-investigations-suspects-in-90-seconds.html
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082514/Did-Madeleine-wander-off.html
Do they not read through what they have written ?
As opposed to an abductor, who had to do exactly that, whilst also carrying a child, either alive or recently dead . . .!By Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan
7:00AM BST 09 Sep 2014
There is another possible explanation of Madeleine’s disappearance that would – almost certainly – have involved no malfeasance. It is that Madeleine – just short of her fourth birthday – conceivably woke, got out of bed and wandered out into the night of her own volition. This was the possibility first considered by the Portuguese patrol car officers who responded to the emergency, then suggested to Kate the following day by regional police chief Guilhermino Encarnação.
The British priest, Paul Seddon, whom Kate called in the early hours, recalled trying to calm her by saying that “Madeleine could have had a bout of sleepwalking and that she would be all right. I remember that Kate was worried by the fact that Madeleine was wearing short-sleeved pyjamas and could catch a cold.”
Father Seddon, who knew the McCanns well – he had baptised Madeleine and often played golf with Gerry – continued to hope the child “could have left alone, as she was a very adventurous girl”. Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”.
Though both Kate and Gerry rejected the possibility that their daughter had wandered off, the notion was not preposterous. Children can and do sometimes wander. Two years later, in New Zealand, a two-year-old did indeed stray in broad daylight and apparently crawled or fell into a nearby manhole with a faulty cover. She was found dead, after a week’s intensive searching.
There were such hazards in Praia da Luz in 2007. A police report in the files records the fact that “open trenches” in two streets, Rua Direita and Rua Helena do Nascimiento Batista, had been left open on the evening of May 3. For an adult, at any rate, both streets are only a few minutes’ walk from Apartment 5A. When the trenches were checked, though, on the morning of May 4 and as word spread that a child was missing, nothing was found.
An adventure resulting in a fatal accident, while not impossible, is, however, less than probable. Had Madeleine wandered out of the apartment, she would almost certainly have made her exit by the patio door – left unlocked to make checking on the children easier – that led to the terrace and the steps down to the street. Her most likely route then would have been to walk the few yards downhill to the entrance that led to the swimming pool and the Tapas restaurant. It was a route with which she was familiar, and her parents were eating in the Tapas.
It is Kate McCann, though, who has articulated the best reason to dismiss the notion that Madeleine left the apartment of her own volition, and by the patio door. One would have to accept, Kate has reasoned, that on leaving Madeleine would have: opened the curtains on the patio door and closed them behind her; opened the patio door and closed it behind her; and opened and closed both a child safety gate and the gate to the street. Would such a little girl really have done that ?
Do they not read through what they have written ?
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quote ''The British priest, Paul Seddon, whom Kate called in the early hours, recalled trying to calm her by saying that “Madeleine could have had a bout of sleepwalking and that she would be all right. I remember that Kate was worried by the fact that Madeleine was wearing short-sleeved pyjamas and could catch a cold.”
Father Seddon, who knew the McCanns well – he had baptised Madeleine and often played golf with Gerry – continued to hope the child “could have left alone, as she was a very adventurous girl”. Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”.
BUT both parents returned to the apartment till it got light again , Gerry had a little nap.
So ,if catching a cold wearing short-sleeved pyjamas was the least of your worries when your three year old girl disappears in the night in a foreign country, and p.129 is the worst, HOW DO YOU FORCE YOURSELF NOT TO SEARCH? WHEN, AS YOU LATER CLAIM, NO-ONE ELSE IS SEARCHING EITHER?
Father Seddon, who knew the McCanns well – he had baptised Madeleine and often played golf with Gerry – continued to hope the child “could have left alone, as she was a very adventurous girl”. Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”.
BUT both parents returned to the apartment till it got light again , Gerry had a little nap.
So ,if catching a cold wearing short-sleeved pyjamas was the least of your worries when your three year old girl disappears in the night in a foreign country, and p.129 is the worst, HOW DO YOU FORCE YOURSELF NOT TO SEARCH? WHEN, AS YOU LATER CLAIM, NO-ONE ELSE IS SEARCHING EITHER?
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worriedmum wrote:quote ''The British priest, Paul Seddon, whom Kate called in the early hours, recalled trying to calm her by saying that “Madeleine could have had a bout of sleepwalking and that she would be all right. I remember that Kate was worried by the fact that Madeleine was wearing short-sleeved pyjamas and could catch a cold.”
Father Seddon, who knew the McCanns well – he had baptised Madeleine and often played golf with Gerry – continued to hope the child “could have left alone, as she was a very adventurous girl”. Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”.
BUT both parents returned to the apartment till it got light again , Gerry had a little nap.
So ,if catching a cold wearing short-sleeved pyjamas was the least of your worries when your three year old girl disappears in the night in a foreign country, and p.129 is the worst, HOW DO YOU FORCE YOURSELF NOT TO SEARCH? WHEN, AS YOU LATER CLAIM, NO-ONE ELSE IS SEARCHING EITHER?
You are falling into their trap - of trying to make it make sense.
It doesn't
The whole story was not thought through and the various parts cannot ever be reconciled.
They have a series of if / then conditionals, but have totally mess them up
IF the believed Madeleine had run off in her short sleeved pyjamas THEN they would have searched all night
IF they believed Madeleine had been abducted THEN they would have insisted on being in police vehicles scouring the area . . .
IF they knew Madeleine was dead THEN they could relax and go to sleep.
IF they believed her body might be discovered, THEN they would stay up all night 'keeping vigil"
But they have srambled all these and done the wrong thing.
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PeterMac wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082514/Did-Madeleine-wander-off.htmlAs opposed to an abductor, who had to do exactly that, whilst also carrying a child, either alive or recently dead . . .!By Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan
7:00AM BST 09 Sep 2014
There is another possible explanation of Madeleine’s disappearance that would – almost certainly – have involved no malfeasance. It is that Madeleine – just short of her fourth birthday – conceivably woke, got out of bed and wandered out into the night of her own volition. This was the possibility first considered by the Portuguese patrol car officers who responded to the emergency, then suggested to Kate the following day by regional police chief Guilhermino Encarnação.
The British priest, Paul Seddon, whom Kate called in the early hours, recalled trying to calm her by saying that “Madeleine could have had a bout of sleepwalking and that she would be all right. I remember that Kate was worried by the fact that Madeleine was wearing short-sleeved pyjamas and could catch a cold.”
Father Seddon, who knew the McCanns well – he had baptised Madeleine and often played golf with Gerry – continued to hope the child “could have left alone, as she was a very adventurous girl”. Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”.
Though both Kate and Gerry rejected the possibility that their daughter had wandered off, the notion was not preposterous. Children can and do sometimes wander. Two years later, in New Zealand, a two-year-old did indeed stray in broad daylight and apparently crawled or fell into a nearby manhole with a faulty cover. She was found dead, after a week’s intensive searching.
There were such hazards in Praia da Luz in 2007. A police report in the files records the fact that “open trenches” in two streets, Rua Direita and Rua Helena do Nascimiento Batista, had been left open on the evening of May 3. For an adult, at any rate, both streets are only a few minutes’ walk from Apartment 5A. When the trenches were checked, though, on the morning of May 4 and as word spread that a child was missing, nothing was found.
An adventure resulting in a fatal accident, while not impossible, is, however, less than probable. Had Madeleine wandered out of the apartment, she would almost certainly have made her exit by the patio door – left unlocked to make checking on the children easier – that led to the terrace and the steps down to the street. Her most likely route then would have been to walk the few yards downhill to the entrance that led to the swimming pool and the Tapas restaurant. It was a route with which she was familiar, and her parents were eating in the Tapas.
It is Kate McCann, though, who has articulated the best reason to dismiss the notion that Madeleine left the apartment of her own volition, and by the patio door. One would have to accept, Kate has reasoned, that on leaving Madeleine would have: opened the curtains on the patio door and closed them behind her; opened the patio door and closed it behind her; and opened and closed both a child safety gate and the gate to the street. Would such a little girl really have done that ?
Do they not read through what they have written ?
It's what I thought.
Abductor needs to leg it quick... but makes sure he shuts the gates and draws the curtains.
It's the trouble with back fitting, It leads to more lies & BS.
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And don’t forget we are already into a ‘negative’ window of opportunity if we allow 45 minutes (which is probably not enough) for cadaverine to develop and exude.
Whilst we are looking at these reports, did anything more ever come of the Pat Brown/Spudgun/Steel Magnolia posting from 2012:
‘Pat. For what it's worth, (and to me, personally, it's worth a LOT), it may interest you to know that 2 VERY Senior BRITISH police officers who have had involvement with the McCann case, (NOT Leicestershire officers), are of absolutely no doubt that Madeleine is dead and that her parents were complicit in her 'disappearance'.
I have had meetings with one of these officers recently in relation to a case I am working on in the North of England, and his knowledge of the McCann case is thorough and most impressive. Of course, I WILL not and CAN not, (at least for the forseable future), NAME the officers or their respective divisions, but it is comforting to know that the contrived tissue of lies and propoganda, as concocted by C. Mitchell Esq, does not extend to the decent, able and formidable skills of Britain's finest 'Old Bill', of the type that I was beginning to fear had all but disappeared.’
It started to be discussed on here, but the thread was rapidly trashed.
I wonder whether Redwood & his team have identified & talked to these officers?
Whilst we are looking at these reports, did anything more ever come of the Pat Brown/Spudgun/Steel Magnolia posting from 2012:
‘Pat. For what it's worth, (and to me, personally, it's worth a LOT), it may interest you to know that 2 VERY Senior BRITISH police officers who have had involvement with the McCann case, (NOT Leicestershire officers), are of absolutely no doubt that Madeleine is dead and that her parents were complicit in her 'disappearance'.
I have had meetings with one of these officers recently in relation to a case I am working on in the North of England, and his knowledge of the McCann case is thorough and most impressive. Of course, I WILL not and CAN not, (at least for the forseable future), NAME the officers or their respective divisions, but it is comforting to know that the contrived tissue of lies and propoganda, as concocted by C. Mitchell Esq, does not extend to the decent, able and formidable skills of Britain's finest 'Old Bill', of the type that I was beginning to fear had all but disappeared.’
It started to be discussed on here, but the thread was rapidly trashed.
I wonder whether Redwood & his team have identified & talked to these officers?
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TELEGRAPH having a field day
They are setting each scenario up, one by one, and then destroying it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.html
So that is that, then.
Nothing about abducting a dead 4 year old. Even Horrocks doesn't go near that one.
Nothing about why two living 2 years olds would be disregarded, bearing in mind that there was one of each sort, and neither had a genetic defect - so far as we know.
These are "straw men' arguments.
Set up simply for the purpose of being shown to have no possible connection.
Is the Telegraph 'Cherry picking' from the book to deride it ?
I was involved in this one. http://www.nottinghampost.com/Snatched-baby-Abbie-aged-16-dramatic-start-life/story-12173569-detail/story.html
THREE HOURS OLD. Not FOUR YEARS, and leaking cadaverine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.html
By Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan7:00AM BST 09 Sep 2014
Former Detective Inspector Ian Horrocks, who was with the Metropolitan Police for 30 years, studied Madeleine’s case over many months, visited Praia da Luz and produced a lengthy summary of his views. He theorised, drawing on his experience of kidnapping cases, that the abduction may have been done by “someone who wanted her as part of his or their family”.
Thefts of babies do occur. Typically, an infant is taken within days of his or her birth, often from hospitals. Such an abduction, studies by the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) suggest, may be committed by a previously pregnant woman who has miscarried, or one who finds herself infertile, or one who has a male partner but is not living with him and wants to get him back.
In the UK, there was for a time a charity that – among its other causes – supported women who had kidnapped children. The Portia Trust’s founder, Ken Norman, claimed most such women are not mentally ill but simply “cannot accept that their child is dead or have an unbearable desire for a baby of their own. They may have spent months, even years, looking for a child that resembles the one they have lost and is of the same age.”
The very purpose of such child thefts is to nurture the child, to raise it to adulthood as if it were the woman’s own. “The babies are very rarely harmed,” a NCMEC spokesman has said. “The recovery rate is very good.”
In one case in the United States, a woman aged 23 contacted NCMEC on realising she had neither birth certificate nor Social Security card. Her case was investigated and her true biological parents identified. The parents had never given up hope that they would find their missing daughter – just as the McCanns have said they will never give up hope of finding Madeleine.
So that is that, then.
Nothing about abducting a dead 4 year old. Even Horrocks doesn't go near that one.
Nothing about why two living 2 years olds would be disregarded, bearing in mind that there was one of each sort, and neither had a genetic defect - so far as we know.
These are "straw men' arguments.
Set up simply for the purpose of being shown to have no possible connection.
Is the Telegraph 'Cherry picking' from the book to deride it ?
I was involved in this one. http://www.nottinghampost.com/Snatched-baby-Abbie-aged-16-dramatic-start-life/story-12173569-detail/story.html
SHE hit headlines all over the world after being snatched from hospital at just three hours old, and kept captive for 17 days.
Now baby Abbie Humphries has grown up – and the 16-year-old has spoken for the first time about her dramatic start to life.
In fact, the drama surrounding her abduction from the Queen's Medical Centre in July 1994 has shaped her future ambitions.
She is considering becoming a police officer, saying: "I learned how hard the police worked looking for me — perhaps that's why I've been thinking about joining up. Maybe I'll end up as a detective."
THREE HOURS OLD. Not FOUR YEARS, and leaking cadaverine.
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PeterMac wrote:They are setting each scenario up, one by one, and then destroying it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.htmlBy Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan7:00AM BST 09 Sep 2014
Former Detective Inspector Ian Horrocks, who was with the Metropolitan Police for 30 years, studied Madeleine’s case over many months, visited Praia da Luz and produced a lengthy summary of his views. He theorised, drawing on his experience of kidnapping cases, that the abduction may have been done by “someone who wanted her as part of his or their family”.
Thefts of babies do occur. Typically, an infant is taken within days of his or her birth, often from hospitals. Such an abduction, studies by the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) suggest, may be committed by a previously pregnant woman who has miscarried, or one who finds herself infertile, or one who has a male partner but is not living with him and wants to get him back.
In the UK, there was for a time a charity that – among its other causes – supported women who had kidnapped children. The Portia Trust’s founder, Ken Norman, claimed most such women are not mentally ill but simply “cannot accept that their child is dead or have an unbearable desire for a baby of their own. They may have spent months, even years, looking for a child that resembles the one they have lost and is of the same age.”
The very purpose of such child thefts is to nurture the child, to raise it to adulthood as if it were the woman’s own. “The babies are very rarely harmed,” a NCMEC spokesman has said. “The recovery rate is very good.”
In one case in the United States, a woman aged 23 contacted NCMEC on realising she had neither birth certificate nor Social Security card. Her case was investigated and her true biological parents identified. The parents had never given up hope that they would find their missing daughter – just as the McCanns have said they will never give up hope of finding Madeleine.
So that is that, then.
Nothing about abducting a dead 4 year old. Even Horrocks doesn't go near that one.
Nothing about why two living 2 years olds would be disregarded, bearing in mind that there was one of each sort, and neither had a genetic defect - so far as we know.
These are "straw men' arguments.
Set up simply for the purpose of being shown to have no possible connection.
Is the Telegraph 'Cherry picking' from the book to deride it ?
I was involved in this one. http://www.nottinghampost.com/Snatched-baby-Abbie-aged-16-dramatic-start-life/story-12173569-detail/story.htmlSHE hit headlines all over the world after being snatched from hospital at just three hours old, and kept captive for 17 days.
Now baby Abbie Humphries has grown up – and the 16-year-old has spoken for the first time about her dramatic start to life.
In fact, the drama surrounding her abduction from the Queen's Medical Centre in July 1994 has shaped her future ambitions.
She is considering becoming a police officer, saying: "I learned how hard the police worked looking for me — perhaps that's why I've been thinking about joining up. Maybe I'll end up as a detective."
THREE HOURS OLD. Not FOUR YEARS, and leaking cadaverine.
Quite. It makes no sense for a distressed woman or couple who have not been able to have a child to take the oldest child, rather than the youngest.
Also, I have never heard of such a case being focussed on a holiday resort. Normally the scenario is a hospital or someone known to the abductor.
Summers sounds like he can't properly analyse anything. He's certainly not the sort of guy who would ever had made an investigative officer within a police unit.
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Doug D wrote:Together with three ‘edited extract(s) from 'Looking for Madeleine', a new book on the McCann case, the authors analyse’ from The Telegraph today, together with a short video from their own staff.
Madeleine: if only the McCanns had known about the Algarve
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11081857/Madeleine-if-only-the-McCanns-had-known-about-the-Algarve.html
Could Madeleine be safe and well-cared for?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.html
Did Madeleine wander off?
This is not analysis this is Musak - lift elevator music - desgined to lull your senses into complete abandonment of all rational judgement.
They are deft at inserting sentences such as:
""Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”. "
This is inserted in the text in a way to make you think these are the first thoughts of the McCanns - that she might have wandered off. They are indeed probably the first thoughts that any parent might have...even if only in terms of wishing it to be true. But S&S are misleading us.
In actual fact we have absolutely no evidence the McCanns ever accepted she could have wandered off. From the first "they've taken her" , through the demands to "close the borders", the claims there had been a break-in and the later insistent demands she had been taken by a predator, the McCanns never once showed any recognition that a 3 yr old with a propensity to go wandering in her own home during the night (as proven by the star chart in her home) might have wandered out owing to the absence of her parents in the apartment.
Do S&S think we are so easily bamboozled and hoodwinked?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082514/Did-Madeleine-wander-off.html
Madeleine McCann: the investigation's suspects in 90 seconds
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082996/Madeleine-McCann-the-investigations-suspects-in-90-seconds.html
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The discussion of Madeleine wandering off and falling victim to an accident...
This is not analysis, this is Musak - lift elevator music - designed to lull your senses into complete abandonment of all rational judgement.
They are deft at inserting sentences such as:
""Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”. "
This is inserted in the text in a way to make you think these are the first thoughts of the McCanns - that she might have wandered off. They are indeed probably the first thoughts that any parent might have...even if only in terms of wishing it to be true. But S&S are misleading us.
In actual fact we have absolutely no evidence the McCanns ever accepted she could have wandered off. From the first "they've taken her" , through the demands to "close the borders", the claims there had been a break-in and the later insistent demands she had been taken by a predator, the McCanns never once showed any recognition that a 3 yr old with a propensity to go wandering in her own home during the night (as proven by the star chart in her home) might have wandered out owing to the absence of her parents in the apartment.
Do S&S think we are so easily bamboozled and hoodwinked?
This is not analysis, this is Musak - lift elevator music - designed to lull your senses into complete abandonment of all rational judgement.
They are deft at inserting sentences such as:
""Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”. "
This is inserted in the text in a way to make you think these are the first thoughts of the McCanns - that she might have wandered off. They are indeed probably the first thoughts that any parent might have...even if only in terms of wishing it to be true. But S&S are misleading us.
In actual fact we have absolutely no evidence the McCanns ever accepted she could have wandered off. From the first "they've taken her" , through the demands to "close the borders", the claims there had been a break-in and the later insistent demands she had been taken by a predator, the McCanns never once showed any recognition that a 3 yr old with a propensity to go wandering in her own home during the night (as proven by the star chart in her home) might have wandered out owing to the absence of her parents in the apartment.
Do S&S think we are so easily bamboozled and hoodwinked?
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What does the "suspects in 90 secs" headline refer to?
It was several days at least before they were declared Arguidos...
The fact is the McCanns' behaviour was bizarre from the off. Remember GMcC prostrating himself before the Police like a Muslim at prayer, according to the officers? What middle class Brit with a medical training as a doctor does that? I've never heard of anything like it in my life before.
It was several days at least before they were declared Arguidos...
The fact is the McCanns' behaviour was bizarre from the off. Remember GMcC prostrating himself before the Police like a Muslim at prayer, according to the officers? What middle class Brit with a medical training as a doctor does that? I've never heard of anything like it in my life before.
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Didn't they both do that prayer thing, and dry-eyed too? Very weird!Okeydokey wrote:What does the "suspects in 90 secs" headline refer to?
It was several days at least before they were declared Arguidos...
The fact is the McCanns' behaviour was bizarre from the off. Remember GMcC prostrating himself before the Police like a Muslim at prayer, according to the officers? What middle class Brit with a medical training as a doctor does that? I've never heard of anything like it in my life before.
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The McCann clan have always stated that the abductor entered and left by the shutters that were forcibly jemmied open. I cannot see a 3 year old finding a crowbar and forcing her way out of that apartment in the way described to the media the following day.PeterMac wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082514/Did-Madeleine-wander-off.htmlAs opposed to an abductor, who had to do exactly that, whilst also carrying a child, either alive or recently dead . . .!By Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan
7:00AM BST 09 Sep 2014
There is another possible explanation of Madeleine’s disappearance that would – almost certainly – have involved no malfeasance. It is that Madeleine – just short of her fourth birthday – conceivably woke, got out of bed and wandered out into the night of her own volition. This was the possibility first considered by the Portuguese patrol car officers who responded to the emergency, then suggested to Kate the following day by regional police chief Guilhermino Encarnação.
The British priest, Paul Seddon, whom Kate called in the early hours, recalled trying to calm her by saying that “Madeleine could have had a bout of sleepwalking and that she would be all right. I remember that Kate was worried by the fact that Madeleine was wearing short-sleeved pyjamas and could catch a cold.”
Father Seddon, who knew the McCanns well – he had baptised Madeleine and often played golf with Gerry – continued to hope the child “could have left alone, as she was a very adventurous girl”. Even the next day, a spokesman for the tour operator that ran the Ocean Club [where the McCanns were staying] expressed the hope “that she is sleeping under a bush somewhere”.
Though both Kate and Gerry rejected the possibility that their daughter had wandered off, the notion was not preposterous. Children can and do sometimes wander. Two years later, in New Zealand, a two-year-old did indeed stray in broad daylight and apparently crawled or fell into a nearby manhole with a faulty cover. She was found dead, after a week’s intensive searching.
There were such hazards in Praia da Luz in 2007. A police report in the files records the fact that “open trenches” in two streets, Rua Direita and Rua Helena do Nascimiento Batista, had been left open on the evening of May 3. For an adult, at any rate, both streets are only a few minutes’ walk from Apartment 5A. When the trenches were checked, though, on the morning of May 4 and as word spread that a child was missing, nothing was found.
An adventure resulting in a fatal accident, while not impossible, is, however, less than probable. Had Madeleine wandered out of the apartment, she would almost certainly have made her exit by the patio door – left unlocked to make checking on the children easier – that led to the terrace and the steps down to the street. Her most likely route then would have been to walk the few yards downhill to the entrance that led to the swimming pool and the Tapas restaurant. It was a route with which she was familiar, and her parents were eating in the Tapas.
It is Kate McCann, though, who has articulated the best reason to dismiss the notion that Madeleine left the apartment of her own volition, and by the patio door. One would have to accept, Kate has reasoned, that on leaving Madeleine would have: opened the curtains on the patio door and closed them behind her; opened the patio door and closed it behind her; and opened and closed both a child safety gate and the gate to the street. Would such a little girl really have done that ?
Do they not read through what they have written ?
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Re: TELEGRAPH video.
The McCann clan have always stated that the abductor entered and left by the shutters that were forcibly jemmied open. I cannot see a 3 year old finding a crowbar and forcing her way out of that apartment in the way described to the media the following day.[/quote]Evening_All wrote:SNIP
As opposed to an abductor, who had to do exactly that, whilst also carrying a child, either alive or recently dead . . .!
Do they not read through what they have written ?
Until the day where they admit the shutters were NOT the point of entry or exit, but a "red Herring" (Seriously, I'm not making this up ! )
McCanns own website.
“Lisbon 14th January 2010
There are few points which have been raised in the last few days which I would like
to address specifically:
Abduction theory: For us, there is only the abduction theory possible because we
were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance and we know Madeleine did not
wander off by herself. It is obvious and right that the police should consider other
theories initially.
The window: I described to the police officers exactly what I found that night, as it
was and is highly relevant and I knew that every little detail could be helpful in
finding my daughter which is our only aim. The window which is a ground floor
window was completely open and is large enough for a person to easily climb
through it. Whether it had been opened for this purpose remains unknown. It could
of course have been opened by the perpetrator when inside the apartment as a
potential escape route or left open as a 'red herring'.
Which means that they now aver that the abductor must have exited either by the front door or the patio door.
Re: TELEGRAPH video.
Exactly Okeydokey,Okeydokey wrote:What does the "suspects in 90 secs" headline refer to?
It was several days at least before they were declared Arguidos...
The fact is the McCanns' behaviour was bizarre from the off. Remember GMcC prostrating himself before the Police like a Muslim at prayer, according to the officers? What middle class Brit with a medical training as a doctor does that? I've never heard of anything like it in my life before.
In fact it was so bizarre that the police mention it.
They don't mention they were pacing the room, sobbing etc which you'd perfectly expect
in that situation.
Didn't the dogs alert in the area they were wailing and kneeling?
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