Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Châtelaine wrote:Call me stupid, but I've never found solid proof for the washed curtains.
Anyone?

Not that's important. There's many more important indications / proof. I'd only want to avoid, for the matter of a solid case, forum myths. So, again, if anyone has proof, please produce. It would only strengthen the case.

LittleMissy wrote:How very depressing this is looking :/ As upsy daisy rightly states, british intelligence rumoured to be best in the world & THIS CROCK OF SHIT IS WHAT THEY COME UP WITH ??!!!!! Beggars belief, it really is shocking. Surely the investigation should start at the beginning......the beginning being 3rd May 2007 & the glaring discrepancies of those present (Tapas cronies). How is it possible for british authorities to seemingly ignore the blatent discrepancies & ever changing statements of Mccans & Tapas crew ????
After the debacle of the whitewash of Hillsborough,  & disgust when truth finally came out (only after years of campaigning by the bereaved families), it really does beggar belief that british establishment are going to embark on deleted of this magnatude.

Hello everyone btw*waves* I am a new member but have been informing myself on this matter for some time now, have read extensively(thanks Tony Bennet for Mccan Files & everything I have learnt there)

Tony Bennett wrote:I have been thinking of ways of shortening and summarisng the 'narrative' to date.

The shortest I can get is:

Thursday 3 May 2007: "Madeleine was abducted by Tannerman and we must find Tannerman"

This stayed in place for over 6 years and 5 months, though Tannerman was manifestly a fabrication to all those who had eyes to see, and was finally buried by the McCann Team themselves in August 2009 (nearly 5 years ago) when Edgar said Tanner might have seen a woman carrying a child, not a man.

Then came CrimeWatch on  

Monday 14 October 2013: When DCI Redwood said: "Madeleine was abducted by Tannerman Smithman and we must find Tannerman Smithman".

Although that is not strictly correct, as Redwood's more detailed current position would appear to be:

1. Madeleine was abducted ('as per my remit')

2. The abduction took place between 9.10pm and 10.00pm

3. It could well have been Smithman but it might have been someone else - we need to eliminate Smithman if it wasn't him

4. It's possible she was dead before she 'left the apartment' (TRANSLATION: She was murdered in the apartment by the abductor) 

5. With my careful analysis of the three strands of the investigation, 'which has never been done before', a few dozen people are potentially in the frame, I'm gradually narrowing it down to just a few or maybe one smelly bin-man in particular, give me a few more million quid and a bit more time, a chance to do a few more very public searches, ask a few more people 253 rogatory questions, painstakingly analyse thousands more cell-phones etc. and eventually my 38-strong team will come up with the answer.

+++++

I will add a prediction:

I think Grange will announce their conclusions some time before February 2015 (3 months before the General Election) and that Bernard Hogan-Howe will announce at the same time that Grange is to be wound up. That's if BHH is still in the job by then, as he surely can't survive many more corruption scandals

lj wrote:

Miraflores wrote:

Neat, tidy, parents exonerated, case closed, detectives reassigned.

Fund closed.

I bet the funds will continue to live on: to help us find Madeleine's body, to help us defeat those who slander her name.

Justformaddie wrote:This can't happen, police records show cadaver was found behind the sofa, in the wardrobe, on cuddlecat, red child's top, km trousers, key card and from the door of the scenic.

According to Dr Kate McCann, this is purely because of the 'conscious or unconscious signals of the handler' ('madeleine' by Dr Kate McCann, quote from p. 250) - an attack on the professional integrity and judgment of Martin Grime. Dr Gerald McCann's considered view, of course, is that all of these sniffer dogs are 'incredibly unreliable' anyway. In any case, the McCanns add that without corroboration these alerts are not evidence at all 

Tiny blood traces on under the tiles in the apartment and fluid in the boot of the car.

According to the McCanns and the FSS, these blood traces and fluids 'could have come from anyone'.

I think I have done full justice to the opinions of the McCanns with my observations above.

Tony Bennett wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:This can't happen, police records show cadaver was found behind the sofa, in the wardrobe, on cuddlecat, red child's top, km trousers, key card and from the door of the scenic.

According to Dr Kate McCann, this is purely because of the 'conscious or unconscious signals of the handler' ('madeleine' by Dr Kate McCann, quote from p. 250) - an attack on the professional integrity and judgment of Martin Grime. Dr Gerald McCann's considered view, of course, is that all of these sniffer dogs are 'incredibly unreliable' anyway. In any case, the McCanns add that without corroboration these alerts are not evidence at all 

Tiny blood traces on under the tiles in the apartment and fluid in the boot of the car.

According to the McCanns and the FSS, these blood traces and fluids 'could have come from anyone'.

I think I have done full justice to the opinions of the McCanns with my observations above.

worriedmum wrote:''We all gotta keep fighting for her.  ''


And just remember, the truth never goes away, however long it may take.  

Tony Bennett wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:This can't happen, police records show cadaver was found behind the sofa, in the wardrobe, on cuddlecat, red child's top, km trousers, key card and from the door of the scenic.

According to Dr Kate McCann, this is purely because of the 'conscious or unconscious signals of the handler' ('madeleine' by Dr Kate McCann, quote from p. 250) - an attack on the professional integrity and judgment of Martin Grime. Dr Gerald McCann's considered view, of course, is that all of these sniffer dogs are 'incredibly unreliable' anyway. In any case, the McCanns add that without corroboration these alerts are not evidence at all 

Tiny blood traces on under the tiles in the apartment and fluid in the boot of the car.

According to the McCanns and the FSS, these blood traces and fluids 'could have come from anyone'.

I think I have done full justice to the opinions of the McCanns with my observations above.

flaxyard wrote:Our cause is not helped by KM's long standing friend and former fund administrator/director Esther McVey MP joining Cameron's inner sanctum. Her rise from GMTV presenter to now has been meteoric - could not possibly say on here why I think that might be.

mysterion wrote:She is also a privy counsellor FOR LIFE.

Bishop Brennan wrote:The new narrative gets an outing in the Portuguese Press.  They call it "framing" which suggests that as ever the Portuguese aren't buying it.  

Full translation on Joana Morais' site:  http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/07/phone-calls-and-hairs-frame-suspects.html


Here in the UK though, as with any lie, the more often it is repeated, the more accepted it becomes.  Somehow people readjust their BS detectors and stop questioning just how ridiculous a particular narrative actually is.   The core story "Burglary went wrong" was implanted in Crimewatch and is repeated at every turn by all associated with the case.  They still have the sex-offending 'smellyman' on the subs bench, warmed up and ready to go - but for now it looks like they are going to close this story with the 3 burglars.  

Note: The complete lack of ANY evidence, the pointless digs, and the recent SY ILR interviews have not dented the narrative one jot...  

Tony Bennett wrote:

mysterion wrote:She is also a privy counsellor FOR LIFE.

Full list of members of the Privy Council here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_British_Privy_Council

They are sworn to secrecy about what goes on in these meetings - and they meet in times of national emergency

Justformaddie wrote:
Are these the three burglars they interviewed? I thought nothing was gained from them?

Bishop Brennan wrote:The new narrative gets an outing in the Portuguese Press.  They call it "framing" which suggests that as ever the Portuguese aren't buying it.  

Full translation on Joana Morais' site:  http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/07/phone-calls-and-hairs-frame-suspects.html

Here in the UK though, as with any lie, the more often it is repeated, the more accepted it becomes.  

This is based on the theories of Adolf Hitler's psychologist, propagandist, media manipulator and right-hand man, Josef Goebbels, who said:

"If you're going to tell a lie, make it a big one"

and

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will eventually believe it".

Somehow people readjust their BS detectors and stop questioning just how ridiculous a particular narrative actually is.  

See above, Goebbels

The core story "Burglary went wrong" was implanted in Crimewatch and is repeated at every turn by all associated with the case.  They still have the sex-offending 'smellyman' on the subs bench, warmed up and ready to go - but for now it looks like they are going to close this story with the 3 burglars.

I think this is a bit like how the soaps work, like Coronation Street and Eastenders. The producers, editors and chief scriptwriters get together periodically to plan the story lines - 'The Narrative' - several months ahead, always having several alternative options, just in case someone (mentioning no names, Michael le Vell) suddenly becomes unavailable for one reason or another.

I picture people like Redwood, his former boss-of-Jill-Dando-fame Hamish Campbell, Clarence Mitchell, the boss of MI5 and a top civil servant in the Home Office meeting up from time to time to discuss who will be named as the abductor, and roughly hen the announcement will be made. When they've finally agreed, a plan they'll meet in secret with Prime Minister David Cameron, who will decide precisely when the announcement will be made, probably in a week woith many other major news stories.  

Note: The complete lack of ANY evidence, the pointless digs, and the recent SY ILR interviews have not dented the narrative one jot...

Agreed - and of course all the three Burglar-men and Smelly bin-man could, most conveniently, also be Smithman - how very convenient that an Irish family actually SAW the abductor*  



[ * or did they? ]

Bishop Brennan wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:
Are these the three burglars they interviewed? I thought nothing was gained from them?

Correct.  They are the very ones: the schizophrenic, the van-driver and the homeless teenager.  All three photographed hiding their faces, all three interviewed, and as far as we know nothing of note gained.  But in the new narrative, that doesn't matter.  What matters are the photographs and the fact that all 3 are now Arguidos - and will remain so until the case is solved or shelved.  Many in the UK believe that they were arrested (thanks to BHH's famous "arrests coming soon" interview + associated "prime suspects" headlines).  

Coming on the back of the high-profile digs, the images and their association have successfully implanted the new narrative in the UK public's unconscious.  Remember that few look at the detail of the articles, never mind forums such as this.  The photos, the headlines and the news are all that count.  

Credit to Amaral who called it early.  It's frustrating for us.  Imagine what it must be like for him...!  

HelenMeg wrote:
It doesn't inspire any optimism whatsoever. Still, as you rightly point out, what is frustrating for us, is almost unimaginable for GA. i AM INTENSELY FRUSTRATED AS AN OBSERVER but in his position I dont know how I'd be feeling. I just hope..
sometimes surprising twists and turns occur - also the world is watching this case. Not everyone will let it drop

Bishop Brennan wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:
Are these the three burglars they interviewed? I thought nothing was gained from them?

Correct.  They are the very ones: the schizophrenic, the van-driver and the homeless teenager.  All three photographed hiding their faces, all three interviewed, and as far as we know nothing of note gained.  But in the new narrative, that doesn't matter.  What matters are the photographs and the fact that all 3 are now Arguidos - and will remain so until the case is solved or shelved.  Many in the UK believe that they were arrested (thanks to BHH's famous "arrests coming soon" interview + associated "prime suspects" headlines).  

Coming on the back of the high-profile digs, the images and their association have successfully implanted the new narrative in the UK public's unconscious.  Remember that few look at the detail of the articles, never mind forums such as this.  The photos, the headlines and the news are all that count.  

Credit to Amaral who called it early.  It's frustrating for us.  Imagine what it must be like for him...!