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WHO were the 12 or 15 people, 'involved' Gerry?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 06.12.13 12:56

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/closing-arguments-in-amaral-libel-case-set-for-january/30084

Speaking to The Portugal News in early 2009,

Gerry McCann also insisted they would have been legally compelled to be available for a reconstruction due to their status as arguidos, even the motives of Portuguese police were questionable.

“Don’t get me wrong, we had major concerns as to why the reconstruction was being done”, arguing that “the police reconstruction was not aimed at finding Madeleine, but rather to look for inconsistencies. There were 12 or 15 people involved and it is inevitable there would be inconsistencies.”
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There WERE 12 or 15 people 'involved!

THAT'S a 'revelation moment' for me, lol.

I wonder what he means  by 'INVOLVED'?

Like him to explain THAT!

Bet Andy/Met would also LOVE to know WHO they (the 12/15 people) WERE, that WERE 'involved', around the time of a little girl's 'disappearance'!

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Post by Guest on 06.12.13 13:13

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Post by ultimaThule on 06.12.13 15:31

For information, I spotted the Portugal News article in the early hours and posted it here: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7874-libel-trial-discussion-here#178323

I wondered at the '12 to 15 people involved' and can only surmise that GM included in his calculations the couple he'd made a point of engaging in conversation when he and his spouse arrived at the Tapas Bar considerably earlier than their usual time, plus Jez Wilkins who brings the total to 12 and there would, of course, be a need for additional persons to play the part of Tanner-Crecheman and possibly Rastaman or one of two of the bar's staff.

As it not one of the subjects required for admission to a non-premier league medical schools I suspect mathematics is not the wee one's strong suit, and his use of the word 'involved' indictates that either English language is also not his forte or the performance of the pantomime required a larger cast than we have hitherto imagined.
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Post by DonNewbery on 06.12.13 15:34

jeanmonroe wrote:http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/closing-arguments-in-amaral-libel-case-set-for-january/30084

Speaking to The Portugal News in early 2009,

Gerry McCann also insisted they would have been legally compelled to be available for a reconstruction due to their status as arguidos, even the motives of Portuguese police were questionable.

“Don’t get me wrong, we had major concerns as to why the reconstruction was being done”, arguing that “the police reconstruction was not aimed at finding Madeleine, but rather to look for inconsistencies. There were 12 or 15 people involved and it is inevitable there would be inconsistencies.”
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There WERE 12 or 15 people 'involved!

THAT'S a 'revelation moment' for me, lol.

I wonder what he means  by 'INVOLVED'?

Like him to explain THAT!

Bet Andy/Met would also LOVE to know WHO they (the 12/15 people) WERE, that WERE 'involved', around the time of a little girl's 'disappearance'!
Wow! That really is a revealing statement - surely one of the biggest slip-ups GM has made. Thanks for spotting.

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Post by PeterMac on 06.12.13 15:40

Not all of the Tapas 7were involved. Diane Webster for one.
So it makes it even more intriguing to know who he meant.
GM, KM, DP, ROB, JT makes 5
Jez W
Tannerman (Oh, sorry, wash my mouth out !)

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Post by Miss Trunchbull on 06.12.13 15:47

I just read that as being involved with the reconstruction, not the disappearance. 

Can't really see anything suspicious in that wording.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 06.12.13 15:48

PeterMac wrote:Not all of the Tapas 7were involved.  Diane Webster for one.
So it makes it even more intriguing to know who he meant.
GM,  KM,  DP,  ROB,  JT makes 5
Jez W
Tannerman (Oh, sorry, wash my mouth out !)
MAYBE this lot!
Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Day, Daninel Whiddon, Harry Hawk,
And uncle Tom Cobbley and all.

Just passing through PDL, in their white van, on their way to Widdicombe Fair.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 06.12.13 15:55

Miss Trunchbull wrote:I just read that as being involved with the reconstruction, not the disappearance. 

Can't really see anything suspicious in that wording.
Can you list the 12/15 people please, Gerry thinks were 'involved'.

If you list everyone around at 'the time' you'd end up with half of PDL!

Mrs Fenn, the people in flat above, Carpenters, the Smiths, waiters, everyone in tapas, etc.,

babysitters, nannies for all T9 kids

I think a Freudien slip.

But that's just me.

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Post by Angelique on 06.12.13 16:08

I think it is decidedly suspicious - using the "involved" word means some sort of co-ordinated action.

So even if you think Gerry was referring to a reconstruction I think it seems as though something was "organised" about that evening. 

And who was riding the grey mare?

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Post by Miss Trunchbull on 06.12.13 16:21

I was thinking in terms of the diners at the tapas bar, the waiting staff and possibly the Wilkins chappie in the street.

The trouble is, it's all years ago now, so a recon would be of little use imo. People simply forget things.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 06.12.13 16:44

Miss Trunchbull wrote:I was thinking in terms of the diners at the tapas bar, the waiting staff and possibly the Wilkins chappie in the street.

The trouble is, it's all years ago now, so a recon would be of little use imo. People simply forget things.
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Post by aiyoyo on 06.12.13 16:46

How did they conclude Police intended reconstruction will use 12 or 15 people?

It must be a freudian slip?

Even taking away Diane Webster and adding JW there is still 9, unless he's counting the children.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 06.12.13 16:52

Angelique wrote:I think it is decidedly suspicious - using the "involved" word means some sort of co-ordinated action.

So even if you think Gerry was referring to a reconstruction I think it seems as though something was "organised" about that evening. 

And who was riding the grey mare?
WELL.

"And who was riding the grey night mare"?

Not Gezza the jaffa, that's for sure.

He went down the ivf route!


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Post by Guest on 06.12.13 17:06

It just dawned on me reading PMs post above.
With Tannerman now being Crecheman it gives another excuse for them not to do a reconstruction. All that coming and going and hanging around chatting on one side of the road or the other can now convieniently be swept under the carpet. 

Another thing that struck me today re-listening to Redwood on CW, was that he said Crecheman had come forward himself and said that he believed that he might have been the person. SY didn't find him. He has just appeared out of nowhere. And disappeared again.
sad dontgetit What have they actually been doing for 2 1/2 years. 
They didn't find Smithman, they didn't find Crecheman. What have they found?
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Post by jeanmonroe on 06.12.13 17:18

"They didn't find Smithman, they didn't find Crecheman. What have they found"?
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Nearly £7 million of taxpayers money?

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Post by Mirage on 06.12.13 17:19

dantezebu wrote:It just dawned on me reading PMs post above.
With Tannerman now being Crecheman it gives another excuse for them not to do a reconstruction. All that coming and going and hanging around chatting on one side of the road or the other can now convieniently be swept under the carpet. 

Another thing that struck me today re-listening to Redwood on CW, was that he said Crecheman had come forward himself and said that he believed that he might have been the person. SY didn't find him. He has just appeared out of nowhere. And disappeared again.
sad dontgetit What have they actually been doing for 2 1/2 years. 
They didn't find Smithman, they didn't find Crecheman. What have they found?
What they found was that once you get sucked into the McCann vortex you can't stop spinning.  
spin

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Post by Angelique on 06.12.13 17:29

jeanmonroe wrote:
Angelique wrote:I think it is decidedly suspicious - using the "involved" word means some sort of co-ordinated action.

So even if you think Gerry was referring to a reconstruction I think it seems as though something was "organised" about that evening. 

And who was riding the grey mare?
WELL.

"And who was riding the grey night mare"?

Not Gezza the jaffa, that's for sure.

He went down the ivf route!

big grin  Naughty! But true.

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Post by Guest on 06.12.13 17:36

Mirage wrote:

What they found was that once you get sucked into the McCann vortex you can't stop spinning.  
spin
I think you might have something there Mirage. Have you ever met a person who seems to be able to bend reality around themselves? I met one once, she was monumentally charismatic, people really did seem to fall under a spell when in her presence. Strangely I heard that she is now a doctor!

Maybe the McCanns have a bit of that, as unlikely as it seems from distant impressions of them. They do seem to have a happy knack of being able to bring people around to their way of thinking.
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Post by Guest on 06.12.13 17:44

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Mirage wrote:

What they found was that once you get sucked into the McCann vortex you can't stop spinning.  
spin
I think you might have something there Mirage. Have you ever met a person who seems to be able to bend reality around themselves? I met one once, she was monumentally charismatic, people really did seem to fall under a spell when in her presence. Strangely I heard that she is now a doctor!

Maybe the McCanns have a bit of that, as unlikely as it seems from distant impressions of them. They do seem to have a happy knack of being able to bring people around to their way of thinking.
Narcissistic charm, but surely SY wouldn't be susceptible.
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Post by roy rovers on 06.12.13 20:18

It probably takes 12 - 15 people for the party to go with a swing.
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Post by mysterion on 06.12.13 20:30

I`m sure SY is, like all police forces, familiar with charm. It`s what a lot of criminals have. The police have to have the ability to investigate with a totally objective approach. To follow the evidence regardless of impressions.

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Post by Hobs on 06.12.13 23:01

Miss Trunchbull wrote:I just read that as being involved with the reconstruction, not the disappearance. 

Can't really see anything suspicious in that wording.
 Don't interpret what you think they meant. look only at the words used by the subject.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 06.12.13 23:40

“Don’t get me wrong, (1) we had major concerns as to why the reconstruction was being done”, arguing that “the police reconstruction was not aimed at finding Madeleine, but (2) rather to look for inconsistencies. There were (3)12 or 15 people involved and it is inevitable there would be inconsistencies.”

 

by Hobs on Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:01 pm

Miss Trunchbull wrote:I just read that as being involved with the reconstruction, not the disappearance. 

Can't really see anything suspicious in that wording.

 Don't interpret what you think they meant. look only at the words used by the subject.


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Hobs I'd be interested to know what you think about the three points I've highlighted, or even if you agree that these stand out more than the rest of the statement. 



I'm reckoning that "concerns" = fears. If inconsistencies are inevitable why would the police looking for them equate to fear, unless there was a reason for "inevitable" inconsistencies to be a threat. Whatever differences there were in the story they pose some sort of fear or worry for Gerry. The timelines they drew up indicated that the group were afraid of their story not hanging right from the very first instance, not something which came up later down the line. 

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Post by chillyheat on 06.12.13 23:49

When did the Hotel meeting take place ? They must have come up with the numbers of 12-15 collectively.

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Post by Guest on 06.12.13 23:53

ChillyHeat wrote:When did the Hotel meeting take place ? They must have come up with the numbers of 12-15 collectively.
Don't be silly ChillyHeat this is what it was for big grin 


'Tapas 9' in secret McCann meeting

11 Dec 2007 00:00

Kate and Gerry McCann secretly met the rest of the "Tapas Nine" amid reports Portuguese police are to re-interview them



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The source said: "It was a show of solidarity under police claims that one or two had wanted to change their stories. That is not the case and the meeting showed that.

"It was a meeting to express support by the friends and just to see each other again. They hadn't all seen each other for months."

The friend said the reunion last month was kept secret because of the huge interest it would have generated





http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tapas-9-in-secret-mccann-meeting-527412#ixzz2mk3eFxHw

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