Could be all under wraps

by mysterion 05.12.13 21:04

I`m still new to this forum so please be gentle with me.

Probably already covered but is it possible that the SY investigation is being spun out because of political timings. Maybe the truth is known and it involves actions taken by the Labour government. The coalition want to release it at the most convenient time politically. Could explain the current farce.

by Smokeandmirrors 05.12.13 21:06

mysterion wrote:I`m still new to this forum so please be gentle with me.

Probably already covered but is it possible that the SY investigation is being spun out because of political timings. Maybe the truth is known and it involves actions taken by the Labour government. The coalition want to release it at the most convenient time politically. Could explain the current farce.

I think this is a very smart point.

by Daisy 05.12.13 21:18

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m still new to this forum so please be gentle with me.

Probably already covered but is it possible that the SY investigation is being spun out because of political timings. Maybe the truth is known and it involves actions taken by the Labour government. The coalition want to release it at the most convenient time politically. Could explain the current farce.
I think this is a very smart point.

I'd love to believe this but from what I've learned so far - they all p*ss in the same pot; so I don't expect any change.

by Guest 05.12.13 21:19

When are the next elections? Just so that I can set my agenda ... winkwink

by Daisy 05.12.13 21:25

Châtelaine wrote:When are the next elections? Just so that I can set my agenda ...

7th May 2015. Not that I'll be participating, never have. Not one of them represents me or my family.

by Guest 05.12.13 21:38

Daisy wrote: [...] Not that I'll be participating, never have. Not one of them represents me or my family.

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I may sound a little bit old-fashioned, Daisy, but the right to vote has been a hard-fought one. Not using that right, takes away your right to complaint afterwards... And I do agree, that it's difficult, especially in a basically 2-party system like the U.K. to find someone or a party-line, whom / which one could support. The other problem is, that there are very few people, who have both the intelligence, knowledge, experience and motivation to become a politician in a viper-environment, where there's a lot of backstabbing. The "real" talents are better placed and paid in the big industries and who can blame them.

BTW I am now reminded again of my 2nd ex-husband, who had sometimes quite interesting ideas. One of them being that at elections one should be able to vote FOR someone and AGAINST someone ... :-) That might make it easier to vote and the outcome - maybe - more balanced as regards the popular vote.

by Penfold 05.12.13 21:50

I can completely understand why a lot of folk feel the way Daisy does. I can't get my kids to vote for the same reasons. But ..my grandma was a suffragette and I know what they went through to get women the vote, so I do vote. Besides, she'd haunt me if I didn't!

by Guest 05.12.13 21:52

by Daisy 05.12.13 21:53

Châtelaine wrote:
Daisy wrote: [...] Not that I'll be participating, never have. Not one of them represents me or my family.
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I may sound a little bit old-fashioned, Daisy, but the right to vote has been a hard-fought one. Not using that right, takes away your right to complaint afterwards... And I do agree, that it's difficult, especially in a basically 2-party system like the U.K. to find someone or a party-line, whom / which one could support. The other problem is, that there are very few people, who have both the intelligence, knowledge, experience and motivation to become a politician in a viper-environment, where there's a lot of backstabbing. The "real" talents are better placed and paid in the big industries and who can blame them.

BTW I am now reminded again of my 2nd ex-husband, who had sometimes quite interesting ideas. One of them being that at elections one should be able to vote FOR someone and AGAINST someone ... :-) That might make it easier to vote and the outcome - maybe - more balanced as regards the popular vote.

No, you sound very modern to me Châtelaine, see I'm really really old fashioned. I even believe feminism was the biggest lie ever sold to us females, but that's another story. As for the right to complain, pah! - where the heck did/does that ever get us?

by ultimaThule 05.12.13 22:29

Daisy wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:When are the next elections? Just so that I can set my agenda ...
7th May 2015. Not that I'll be participating, never have. Not one of them represents me or my family.

If that's the case, get out there, get agitating, or start your own party - I'd suggest you call it Apathetics Anonymous but you might be called upon to give roadside assistance or hide the booze. IMO voting should be compulsory as the more people fail to get off their arses to exercise the hard-won right to vote, the more the minority are able to set the agenda and dictate terms. .

At least take the time to get to the polling station and deface your ballot paper, Daisy - all non-votes are counted and announced and I've resorted to writing variations of the words for f*^king t*ssers across a few of them if there's been no candidate from the 'nun of the above' party smilie

by Guest 05.12.13 22:31

@ Daisy
I think for a brief while FEMINISM had a place. Like you sometimes have to shout and exaggerate to make your point. That was 60's-70's. And the world has changed. I'm still reading feminist magazines, to keep abreast and sometimes to be inspired, but in many cases to be infuriated. All of these "waves" of feminism - cannot count correctly, but we must be in wave 3 or 4 - are absolute nonsense IMO.
EMANCIPATION is the word. The sexes are different, but the possibilities to contribute to society and to personal fulfillment are not. At the beginning of my career, I had to be one of the "boys". I could do that, easily. But with maturing, gaining experience, defining my abilities and enforcing them, I could be very female and still [or maybe better] run a multi-million euro enterprise. Women are gaining more and more better positions, if they want to. And at the same time, they can enjoy looking after their kids, pets, cook [or not], be a good hubby [at random order] as the not-to-be-ignored talents of females are multiple. Caring, organising, understanding, intuition, managing are their key-words. NO offense meant to any MALE. I love them to pieces yes

ETA ultimaThule: just saw your comment a page ago. Yes.

by Daisy 05.12.13 23:06

ultimaThule wrote:
Daisy wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:When are the next elections? Just so that I can set my agenda ...
7th May 2015. Not that I'll be participating, never have. Not one of them represents me or my family.
If that's the case, get out there, get agitating, or start your own party - I'd suggest you call it Apathetics Anonymous but you might be called upon to give roadside assistance or hide the booze. IMO voting should be compulsory as the more people fail to get off their arses to exercise the hard-won right to vote, the more the minority are able to set the agenda and dictate terms. .

At least take the time to get to the polling station and deface your ballot paper, Daisy - all non-votes are counted and announced and I've resorted to writing variations of the words for f*^king t*ssers across a few of them if there's been no candidate from the 'nun of the above' party

Don't you dare call me apathetic. Not everything in life revolves around the tossers in parliament you know. It's not just certain parties I distrust, it's the whole damn system!

I try to reject the reality given to me and create my own (obviously i'm still bound) but voting for me is out of the question. Try to understand me as I understand you. smilie

“I am no bird; and no net ensnares me: I am a free human being with an independent will.” Charlotte Brontë

Strange how the majority of literary greats agree with me isn't it? You really don't want me to list them all?

by listener 06.12.13 0:19

mysterion wrote:I`m still new to this forum so please be gentle with me.

Probably already covered but is it possible that the SY investigation is being spun out because of political timings. Maybe the truth is known and it involves actions taken by the Labour government. The coalition want to release it at the most convenient time politically. Could explain the current farce.

Politicians :puke:, and CM jumping ships wft

,anything is possible with that shower of s___s in London (mods soz

but they (down south) are probably delighted now that the dominant news of Mandelas passing has/will shift focus from their budget / 'Autumn Statement').

by ultimaThule 06.12.13 1:02

You've read me wrong - I'm not calling you apathetic per se, Daisy, but I do lament the fact that you're not willing to spare a few minutes every few years to register a vote, albeit of protest, in tribute to the women's suffrage movement - they were up against 'the system' but were able to gift us with an emancipation which millions of our sisters still only dare to dream about.

The words you've quoted are those Charlotte Bronte penned for Jane Eyre on the occasion of her leaving the man who would have bigamously married her and, insodoing, would have ensured she was outcast by the society of her time.. Tthe fact is that the freedom she speaks of was then, as it is now, only available to women of independent means and, as such, it's debatable how much of that precious quality can be enjoyed in a world which we collectively create, and which continues to enslave the vast majority of our species while inflicting unspeakable horror on others.

So many posters have suffered a sense of humour fail of late I'm tempted to ask if there's a doctor in the house who can inject some of that community spirit which led me to join this forum. sad

Is there anyone with a stethoscope whose surname doesn't begin with M?

by **tigger** 06.12.13 6:03

Châtelaine wrote:@ Daisy
I think for a brief while FEMINISM had a place. Like you sometimes have to shout and exaggerate to make your point. That was 60's-70's. And the world has changed. I'm still reading feminist magazines, to keep abreast and sometimes to be inspired, but in many cases to be infuriated. All of these "waves" of feminism - cannot count correctly, but we must be in wave 3 or 4 - are absolute nonsense IMO.
EMANCIPATION is the word. The sexes are different, but the possibilities to contribute to society and to personal fulfillment are not. At the beginning of my career, I had to be one of the "boys". I could do that, easily. But with maturing, gaining experience, defining my abilities and enforcing them, I could be very female and still [or maybe better] run a multi-million euro enterprise. Women are gaining more and more better positions, if they want to. And at the same time, they can enjoy looking after their kids, pets, cook [or not], be a good hubby [at random order] as the not-to-be-ignored talents of females are multiple. Caring, organising, understanding, intuition, managing are their key-words. NO offense meant to any MALE. I love them to pieces

ETA ultimaThule: just saw your comment a page ago. Yes.

As to feminism being the biggest lie ever sold, I agree wih Daisy. It was soon turned into sexual freedom, which imo was of far more benefit to men. Getting level in any other context did mean you had to be one of the boys as Chatelaine says.
Bread and games for the plebs have now become bread, games and sex with the state picking up the tab for cretins such as the Philpotts. Anything to keep the masses drugged.
What is the next move after viagra? Good Lord, one for women too, well that's a great step forward for emancipation.

I like the difference, I like the way men can only do one thing at a time, whereas we multitask and so on....Coco Chanel would be more my model than Jerry Hall, Jagger's ex. She was proud of being a whore in the bedroom, a chef in the kitchen and a perfect mother for the children. He still chucked her out.

Btw I only give to charities for women in third world countries, imo they're the hardest workers, they need women in politics in all the African countries and imo that would be a huge step for emancipation and the relevant economies. Won't happen though.

by Miraflores 06.12.13 9:53

I thought Jerry Hall gave Jagger the old heave ho? And got quite a nice divorce settlement out of it, even though there was doubt as to the legality of the marriage in the first place.

by **PeterMac** 06.12.13 10:20

tigger wrote:
I like the difference, I like the way men can only do one thing at a time, whereas we multitask and so on...

Be careful with that one.
There was the classic putdown

"If women are so good at multi-tasking why cant they have sex and a headache at the same time ?"

by Daisy 06.12.13 11:03

ultimaThule wrote:You've read me wrong - I'm not calling you apathetic per se, Daisy, but I do lament the fact that you're not willing to spare a few minutes every few years to register a vote, albeit of protest, in tribute to the women's suffrage movement - they were up against 'the system' but were able to gift us with an emancipation which millions of our sisters still only dare to dream about.

The words you've quoted are those Charlotte Bronte penned for Jane Eyre on the occasion of her leaving the man who would have bigamously married her and, insodoing, would have ensured she was outcast by the society of her time.. Tthe fact is that the freedom she speaks of was then, as it is now, only available to women of independent means and, as such, it's debatable how much of that precious quality can be enjoyed in a world which we collectively create, and which continues to enslave the vast majority of our species while inflicting unspeakable horror on others.

So many posters have suffered a sense of humour fail of late I'm tempted to ask if there's a doctor in the house who can inject some of that community spirit which led me to join this forum. Is there anyone with a stethoscope whose surname doesn't begin with M?

ultimaThule, I think you've read me wrong too. smilie

I was just teasing because of the backlash I got.

Being a lifetime Bronte buff I'm fully aware of where the quote comes from. My post was meant to be tongue in cheek (still a great quote though hey).

As for my political stance, I've said what I think and won't be changing my mind anytime soon. We'll have to agree to disagree on the issue of voting.

by cockerspaniel 06.12.13 11:21

PeterMac wrote:
tigger wrote:
I like the difference, I like the way men can only do one thing at a time, whereas we multitask and so on...
Be careful with that one.
There was the classic putdown

"If women are so good at multi-tasking why cant they have sex and a headache at the same time ?"

and with that one line the ladies whole argument is derailed! high5

by bobbin 06.12.13 11:37

cockerspaniel wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
tigger wrote:
I like the difference, I like the way men can only do one thing at a time, whereas we multitask and so on...
Be careful with that one.
There was the classic putdown

"If women are so good at multi-tasking why cant they have sex and a headache at the same time ?"
and with that one line the ladies whole argument is derailed!

To the contrary, if they did want to then they would, but clearly they don't so are using a multitude of different ways to say No... ta.. big grin

by ultimaThule 06.12.13 12:00

Miraflores wrote:I thought Jerry Hall gave Jagger the old heave ho? And got quite a nice divorce settlement out of it, even though there was doubt as to the legality of the marriage in the first place.

According to some reports, Jerry was paid off to the tune of £12million for a (non-existent in English law) common-law marriage. Sold herself a tad short, IMO.

If we can put a man on the moon, how come we can't put them all there?

by Guest 06.12.13 12:24

Now let's be fair. There are quite a few people I'd send on a one way trip to the moon but they're not all men!

I should think it was Jerry Hall who booted Mick out as he had a child with another woman while he was still with her.

Apparently she didn't know their marriage wasn't legal in the U K but whether that's true of course who knows.

by ultimaThule 06.12.13 12:58

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Now let's be fair. There are quite a few people I'd send on a one way trip to the moon but they're not all men!

I should think it was Jerry Hall who booted Mick out as he had a child with another woman while he was still with her.

Apparently she didn't know their marriage wasn't legal in the U K but whether that's true of course who knows.

I'd keep a few back in case a power failure caused the freezers to defrost and I'd keep them in humane conditons - I envisage a field of garden sheds where they can smoke pipes and play with their tools big grin

Surely Jerry must have known either at the time of the Hindu ceremony which, I seem to recall, took place in Bali or anytime she was required to produce a marriage certificate in the States or the UK? However, if she didn't change her name on bank accounts, passports, etc, maybe she had no need to provide such proof and didn't realise a marriage which takes place in another country has to be registered to become lawful in the UK until her solicitor advised her of this pertinent fact.

£12 million is small change to Mr Jagger and, IMO, he should have given her that merely for the indignity and humiliation of having deceived her into thinking he'd signed up till death did them part - but maybe that accounts for the sum she received in settlement of her claim winkwink

It occurs to me that in this matter Mick's intentions were not too dissimilar from those of a fictional Mr Rochester smilie